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Grumpy Mar 14, 2006 6:41 PM

PARIS | La Défense update thread
 
Check out this nice video presentation of the Parisian CBD

http://www.ladefense.fr/goodies.php

Press map :eek:

http://www.ladefense.fr/presse_dossier_presse.php

Optical renderings:

View from Paris - Arc de Triomphe:

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/9...riomphe1hb.jpg


View from Paris - Bois de Boulogne:

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/6...oulogne4ik.jpg


View from Levallois (north-west of Paris):

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/1294/fromlp2ht.jpg

^^ You can see on the left the new AXA tower (CB31) after renovation. It's for sure much bigger than the 3 180m+ towers which are for now the highest in LD


View from Puteaux (South of La Défense):

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/7...puteaux1ek.jpg

The 3 biggest towers (250 to 400 meters) will be build around the Grande Arch!


Last view, toward Paris city center:

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/4...dsparis8uo.jpg




Very promising isn't it :)

Joka Mar 15, 2006 10:44 PM

Niiiiice, ai lajk :tup:

James Bond Agent 007 Mar 16, 2006 3:28 AM

Whoa, cool!!!!

Fabb Mar 19, 2006 8:20 PM

I wonder if the renovated AXA tower will look like the rendering in those "visions". It would be the first skyscraper with a spire in La Défense.

Grumpy Mar 20, 2006 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabb
I wonder if the renovated AXA tower will look like the rendering in those "visions". It would be the first skyscraper with a spire in La Défense.

When is the renovation of AXA going to begin or are there no official plans yet?

Fabb Mar 24, 2006 3:28 PM

I'm not sure.
But I guess that the final plans are not finalized yet.

If the renovated tower is taller, it'll probably need approval. That' won't be easy because AXA is located at a very prominent site.

Notts Mar 24, 2006 10:00 PM

Very nice. Good for Paris. ;)

Grumpy Mar 25, 2006 9:04 AM

Posted by Fabb in another section on SSP ,

The renovated AXA Tower

http://static.flickr.com/35/117177822_3324c261c2_o.jpg

LFRENCH Mar 31, 2006 5:10 AM

thats killer!! I love La Defense already, with this there is soo much more to love.

AJphx Mar 31, 2006 7:05 AM

I saw a Jean Nouvel 200m tower mentioned in another thread. Whats the deal with that one? Any info?

Grumpy Mar 31, 2006 7:16 AM

the official scale modell

http://static.flickr.com/54/118020040_93d77aee7c_o.jpg

Fabb Mar 31, 2006 8:10 AM

Those renderings show relatively fat new skyscrapers. I'm a little surprised and I can't wait to see the first proposals.

Grumpy Apr 2, 2006 1:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJphx
I saw a Jean Nouvel 200m tower mentioned in another thread. Whats the deal with that one? Any info?

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6285/jn52xd.jpg

Still a mystery...it's on the J.Nouvel website however.

Another prosal:

Air Tower, 140 m (odd name for a LD tower)

http://static.flickr.com/40/121679768_b429ba0ac4_o.jpg

Fabb Apr 3, 2006 4:15 PM

Both are nice.
Of course, Nouvel's design is fantastic. Hopefully, it's not an older, failed project.

Grumpy Apr 19, 2006 8:50 AM

What is the story on the Méridien hotel ?

Grumpy Jun 13, 2006 12:33 PM

Sad to see no one is updating this thread....

Fabb Jun 13, 2006 8:48 PM

Well, the projects should have been released this month.
I'd be surprised if they came on time though.

maleig Jun 13, 2006 10:00 PM

merci grumpy

Grumpy Jun 14, 2006 6:02 PM

the T1 construction site a few days ago:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2...r/HPIM5908.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2...r/HPIM5902.jpg

Grumpy Jun 15, 2006 6:34 AM

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2...r/HPIM4728.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2...r/HPIM4750.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2...r/HPIM4751.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2...r/HPIM4789.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2...r/HPIM4794.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2...r/HPIM4742.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2...r/HPIM4795.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2...r/HPIM4804.jpg

Fabb Jun 15, 2006 9:40 AM

Nice photos !
CBX looks like the big fat bitch behind Europe.
I'm glad it doesn't have a flat roof.

Grumpy Jun 30, 2006 2:05 PM

More info about the T1 construction site:

http://www.t1-defense.com

Grumpy Jun 30, 2006 2:15 PM

from an unusual angle

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8...4735a1280x.jpg

Joka Jun 30, 2006 3:04 PM

I've never thought of this before, I've always thought it was a monument.. Is Le Grande Arche an office building?

Grumpy Jun 30, 2006 5:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joka
I've never thought of this before, I've always thought it was a monument.. Is Le Grande Arche an office building?

it is one office building with an exhibition floor on top :)

Fabb Jul 4, 2006 9:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joka
I've never thought of this before, I've always thought it was a monument.. Is Le Grande Arche an office building?

It contains a public administration (ministère de l'aménagement) as well as officies and a big conference room under the roof.

habsfan Jul 6, 2006 8:11 PM

Comme qu'on dit en bon Québecois: TABARNAC!!!;)

Incroyable toutes ces nouvelles tours! avez plus de détails sur ces nouvelles constructions?

Grumpy Jul 10, 2006 4:14 PM

nice rendering from the completed tower in a few years:

http://www.t1-defense.com/v6.jpg

Grumpy Jul 22, 2006 9:16 PM

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5...6ld2015ex5.jpg

Grumpy Aug 6, 2006 12:50 PM

T1 a few days ago , pictures from "eric"

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2491/t124dut6.jpg

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5739/t124fzs8.jpg

Bergenser Aug 6, 2006 6:50 PM

La Defence really deserves theese... :)

misterdz16 Aug 25, 2006 8:25 AM

the defense and the 2nd European district of business after Frankfurt its truths?

Grumpy Aug 25, 2006 1:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterdz16
the defense and the 2nd European district of business after Frankfurt its truths?

I guess London is the biggest business centre in Europe :dunno:

jef Aug 26, 2006 2:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Ridiculous. They have just mimiced 30Ste Mary Axe and the Freedom Tower in this rendering.

anm Aug 27, 2006 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jef
Ridiculous. They have just mimiced 30Ste Mary Axe and the Freedom Tower in this rendering.

Well, what can we do about it? Legend says that Ivan the Terrible ordered the eyes of the Basil's Cathedral architects poked so that they would never be able to create anything that rivals it. These days there are few if any restrictions on copycat designs...

Phil Aug 27, 2006 5:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterdz16
the defense and the 2nd European district of business after Frankfurt its truths?

The biggest business districts in europe are the Opera district in Paris and the City of London; both around 7 million square meters.

La Défense is the biggest district of that kind in europe, with about 3 to 3.5 million square meters.

Oh, btw that (fake and inaccurate) rendering from the newspaper doesn't mimice 30 st mary axe, but T1 tower. :rolleyes:
Tho there's a freedom tower and a mini-burj dubai, but they're just there to represent what the district could look like in a few years. This is nothing official anyway, in case some people didn't get it...

Minato Ku Aug 27, 2006 9:13 AM

fortunately
I will not like La Defense with those building.
the mini-burj is in reality the renovation of the Tour Assur or Tour Axa (225 m ).

Minato Ku Sep 18, 2006 5:32 PM

Construction of T1 tower

cladding is arrived

http://perso.orange.fr/p2r92/Media/T1_04.09.2006.jpg
http://www.t1-defense.com/t1-29h.jpg
http://www.t1-defense.com/bat-c2-30a.jpg
http://www.t1-defense.com/t1-29c.jpg
http://www.t1-defense.com/t1-29j.jpg

Official Rendering of the T1 tower

http://www.t1-defense.com/accueil.gif

Mazepa Sep 19, 2006 6:14 PM

T1 tower is very nice, it adds a lot to the surroundings ^

Metropolitan Sep 20, 2006 1:57 AM

Here is another rendering on the renovated Tour AXA:

http://www.cogedim-entreprise.com/im.../TOUR-CB31.jpg


And here is a diagram of the tower I've created for SSP:

http://mapage.noos.fr/marla13/diagra..._pss_small.gif
larger version

Unfortunately, I can't upload it yet to the SSP database. Apparently, diagrams of renovated towers can't be uploaded before the renovation has started. :(

Fabb Sep 20, 2006 6:51 AM

I can't wait for that one.
How long is the renovation supposed to last ?

Grumpy Sep 20, 2006 8:31 AM

The cladding of T1 is green ? yuck :shuffle:

Grumpy Sep 21, 2006 7:04 PM

some aerial pictures of LD:

http://lafrancevueduciel.free.fr/pho...ghdef/6046.jpg

http://lafrancevueduciel.free.fr/pho...ghdef/6052.jpg

please notice the strange curves on the roof of the Exaltis building:
http://lafrancevueduciel.free.fr/pho...ghdef/6048.jpg

dizo1000 Sep 21, 2006 7:10 PM

nice aerials!!!

Grumpy Sep 26, 2006 7:00 AM

Is this project : Hotel Méridien still alive ?

http://www.auralab.com/galerie01/hidef01.jpg

Metropolitan Sep 26, 2006 1:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy
Is this project : Hotel Méridien still alive ?

Yeah it is. That building should be inaugurated in 2009, at about the same period as the inauguration of the renovated AXA tower.

This part of La Défense near the banks of the Seine should massively change in the next 10 years. There is a project to build a pedestrian bridge above the Pont de Neuilly which is thought as a direct extension of La Défense esplanade on the Avenue Charles-de-Gaulle in Neuilly-sur-Seine. In the same project, two highrise buildings of 150 m are proposed in Neuilly on the other side of the Seine.

The Axe Historique, starting at the Louvre and continuing through the Champs-Elysées, will really become something outstanding if everything goes well. The A14 motorway which is crossing La Défense underground should be connected to the périphérique with the project consisting in making the RN13 highway underground, below the Avenue Charles-de-Gaulle in Neuilly. That project will have as consequence to erase all disrupts on the Axe Historique, which will become something perfectly integrated from La Défense to the Arc de Triomphe (Pedestrian bridge between La Défense and Neuilly, reorganization of Porte Maillot).

BenL Sep 27, 2006 5:34 PM

Very impressive. From the aerial pictures it would appear that the immediate area around La Defense isn't quite as prosperous as the area around Canary Wharf with the swaves of yuppie flats that are going up. That said, go a couple of miles away and you're in the poorest area of London...

Metropolitan Sep 28, 2006 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenL
Very impressive. From the aerial pictures it would appear that the immediate area around La Defense isn't quite as prosperous as the area around Canary Wharf with the swaves of yuppie flats that are going up. That said, go a couple of miles away and you're in the poorest area of London...

I disagree, the immediate area around La Défense is actually very prosperous and very well-furnished. A lot more than around Canary Wharf. Granted few buildings of yuppies are built nearby CW, but that can't be compared with the old and rich municipalities of Courbevoie, Puteaux and Neuilly.

The only place in the immediate area around La Défense which isn't well built is Nanterre, right behind the Grande Arche. It used to be an industrial area. However, that's exactly the place where the major constructions are currently taking place. It's called "Seine-Arche" and consists actually in building a whole new district dedicated to business.

Canary Wharf is actually a lot more peripherical than La Défense is. I know that people are suspicious when they hear so because CW is in the Greater London when LD isn't located in the City of Paris, but you shouldn't be misleaded by the very different administrative organization of both cities.

La Défense is fully part of the dense core of Paris. The whole area between La Défense and the center of Paris is very densely built and consists exclusively of appartment buildings. A significant number of them being built as soon as during the 19th century. LD is located on the historical axis starting at the Louvre and continuing through the Champs-Elysées and the Arc de Triomphe. And that historical axis is currently extended further than La Défense with the new Seine Arche business district. At the opposite, CW is separated from the City of London by a wide area made of residential houses.

LD is clearly better located and better connected to the city center than is CW. As for the the immediate surroundings of both district, I would clearly like better to live in Courbevoie than in Greenwich.

staff Sep 28, 2006 12:58 PM

Paris will get a SWFC, a Freedom Tower, a SwissRe and a Burj Dubai dwarf? Cool! :)
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5...6ld2015ex5.jpg

brisavoine Sep 28, 2006 1:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenL
From the aerial pictures it would appear that the immediate area around La Defense isn't quite as prosperous as the area around Canary Wharf with the swaves of yuppie flats that are going up.


Actually, as Metropolitan already said, La Défense is located in a very wealthy area. Notably, it is located right across the Seine River from Neuilly-sur-Seine, which is one of the richest communities in Europe.

In any case, statistics are better than subjective points of view. Here are statistics I found. La Défense is surrounded by 3 communes (municipalities): Neuilly-sur-Seine, Courbevoie, and Puteaux. In absolute terms, the average monthly income for a resident household in Neuilly-sur-Seine is 6,250 euros (£4,230). Monthly I said. In Courbevoie, the average monthly income for a resident household is 2,537 euros (£1,717). In Puteaux it is 2,143 euros (£1,450). I don't think that you can seriously claim than an area where households earn on average between 2,143 and 6,250 euros per month is a destitute area.

Now in relative terms, in 2004 the median fiscal income for a resident household was:
- in Neuilly-sur-Seine: 2.3 times (i.e. 130%) above French average, and 91% above Île-de-France (Greater Paris) average
- in Courbevoie: 52% above French average, and 27% above Greater Paris average
- in Puteaux: 28% above French average, and 7% above Greater Paris average
Again, hardly a destitute area.

Note that all these statistics concern resident households, i.e. people who live in these three communes (municipalities) surrounding La Défense. They do not concern the companies located in the area.


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