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Alexcaban Sep 30, 2021 5:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9411422)
For Canada, the majority of the demand is probably the other way around for winter. Canada>Europe. The fact Europeans can now travel to Canada shouldn't be brushed under the table either. There was pent-up demand for sure. Either way you slice it, LH group is seeing something, considering the aforementioned routes are all starting in Oct, usually a weakish travel month.



Exactly. Unlike AMS/CDG/FCO, where WS has a codeshare or interline partner, they have none of that at MUC. So they would need to rely purely on O&D alone from western Canada to MUC to fill the flight. With LH just upping YVR to year round, it will be hard for WS to penetrate that market and gain a significant share of the pie, without onward feed.

London, England can work with O&D alone. Not sure MUC can from YYC. They'll probably have more success with a route like BCN, where leisure demand from Canada far outweighs MUC.

And to mention, not even FCO anymore seeing as AZ has 2 weeks left.

As of now I can't find anything that mentions if ITA will be part of an alliance.

hollywoodcory Sep 30, 2021 6:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 9411692)
And to mention, not even FCO anymore seeing as AZ has 2 weeks left.

As of now I can't find anything that mentions if ITA will be part of an alliance.

WS didn’t really have much of a relationship with AZ to begin with. I don’t think they were after onwards connections at FCO.

Dominion301 Sep 30, 2021 7:05 PM

The first minute of this video of Vancouver from 1985 has come retro shots of aircraft at YVR starting with an Expo '86 CP 747 landing. Also just past the 13 minute mark there's a bit of Abbotsford Airshow coverage.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=25...ideo&ref=notif

Coldrsx Sep 30, 2021 7:54 PM

That's pretty neat; thanks for sharing.

thenoflyzone Sep 30, 2021 9:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9411771)
WS didn’t really have much of a relationship with AZ to begin with. I don’t think they were after onwards connections at FCO.

FCO, like LHR/LGW, can work on O&D alone as well, albeit seasonally.

SteelTown Sep 30, 2021 10:23 PM

DHL Express on September 28 officially opened the doors to its new facility in Hamilton, Ontario, located at the John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport. The company invested $100 million to build the new facility, four times the size of the original building also located at Hamilton International Airport, in order to meet significant increase in shipping volumes.

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Originally Posted by ScreamingViking (Post 9410254)
And as one part of Hamilton's steelmaking era ends... a part of its growing air freight industry begins:


An inside look at DHL’s new $100-million sorting facility
https://www.thespec.com/business/202...-facility.html

John Rennison
The Hamilton Spectator
Wed., Sept. 29, 2021


https://images.thestar.com/bZQ6koiZp...y/_jlr8977.jpg

https://images.thestar.com/yyiPqqkza...y/_jlr8992.jpg

https://images.thestar.com/r30d2f1vL...y/_jlr9007.jpg

https://images.thestar.com/HLsMmMtFY...y/_jlr9030.jpg


Details from the story:
- Located at 65 East Cargo Rd.
- DHL's largest sorting facility in Canada
- One of four in N. America that's fully-automated
- Employs almost 400
- Can process 28,000 packages/hour
- 238,000 square feet of warehouse space
- 1.75 km of conveyor belts
- 6 electric forklifts

Hamilton Airport officials see nothing but yellow sunshine with DHL's $100-million expansion

Quote:

He said plans are already underway within the massive building to increase the hub area. He said proposals are to expand it in 2022, because “this was one of the smoothest (relocation) transitions of any building in the DHL network.”

Bargotra said DHL can double the capacity within a year, possibly hitting 200,000 packages.

thenoflyzone Oct 2, 2021 3:24 AM

First casualty of the FAA slot waiver for winter 2021-2022.

DL has zeroed out all YUL-LGA flights until April. Will be interesting to see if other Canada-US flights get cut because of this.

(This only affects flights to JFK, DCA, LGA, LAX, SFO, ORD and EWR, which are all the slot controlled or schedule facilitated airports in the US)

https://paxex.aero/us-airport-slot-w...international/

Dominion301 Oct 2, 2021 5:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9413183)
First casualty of the FAA slot waiver for winter 2021-2022.

DL has zeroed out all YUL-LGA flights until April. Will be interesting to see if other Canada-US flights get cut because of this.

(This only affects flights to JFK, DCA, LGA, LAX, SFO, ORD and EWR, which are all the slot controlled or schedule facilitated airports in the US)

https://paxex.aero/us-airport-slot-w...international/

Given the FAA will base exemptions on the winter 2019-20 IATA season, will be interesting to see if they allow DL to still retain unused slots that were formerly used for flights to YOW and YHZ, two airports DL have stated are “suspended indefinitely”?

Unfortunately on the domestic slots it’ll lead to environmentally unfriendly slot squatting.

hollywoodcory Oct 3, 2021 1:46 AM

AC has increased YYZ-DEL to 10x weekly starting in November and loaded until March.

AC48 YYZ 09:00 - 09:25+1 DEL 789 246
AC49 DEL 11:35 - 16:10 YYZ 789 357

nname Oct 3, 2021 6:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9413731)
AC has increased YYZ-DEL to 10x weekly starting in November and loaded until March.

AC48 YYZ 09:00 - 09:25+1 DEL 789 246
AC49 DEL 11:35 - 16:10 YYZ 789 357

Hmm... seems like AC now update their schedule on Saturday night/Sunday morning? I just checked mid-day Saturday and they didn't have this change...

YYZ-BOM, on the other hand, had been removed for the winter.

Before: 7x 77W DEL, 4x 77L BOM
After: 10x 789 DEL

hemustbeaboss Oct 3, 2021 9:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9414095)
Hmm... seems like AC now update their schedule on Saturday night/Sunday morning? I just checked mid-day Saturday and they didn't have this change...

YYZ-BOM, on the other hand, had been removed for the winter.

Before: 7x 77W DEL, 4x 77L BOM
After: 10x 789 DEL

Update was done earlier this week, on Wednesday

hollywoodcory Oct 5, 2021 10:45 PM

https://westjet.mediaroom.com/2021-1...nto-and-Dublin

WS adding YYZ-DUB next summer, bringing its total TATL offering from YYZ to 5. Flights up to 1x daily on a 7M8.

Still no word on what's planned with the additional 787s coming in.

thenoflyzone Oct 5, 2021 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9416331)
ging its total TATL offering from YYZ to 5. Flights up to 1x daily on a 7M8.

Still no word on what's planned with the additional 787s coming in.

It's been a year now that B787 deliveries have been halted. There is a backlog of over 100 undelivered B787s. An Aug 2nd FAA inspection didn't pass muster. New tentative date of resolution is late October. Let's see if it will pan out.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeings...er-11630783728

Westjet probably still doesn't have a firm date of when it will receive it's frames. The lack of announcement of new routes on the dreamliner most certainly reflects that. Boeing really needs to get its shit together !

hehehe Oct 5, 2021 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9416368)
It's been a year now that B787 deliveries have been halted. There is a backlog of over 100 undelivered B787s. An Aug 2nd FAA inspection didn't pass muster. New tentative date of resolution is late October. Let's see if it will pan out.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeings...er-11630783728

Westjet probably still doesn't have a firm date of when it will receive it's frames. The lack of announcement of new routes on the dreamliner most certainly reflects that. Boeing really needs to get its shit together !

WS may just announce the 787 routes in November then. They'll probably still get the frames by May to start new routes anyways.

hollywoodcory Oct 6, 2021 3:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9416368)
It's been a year now that B787 deliveries have been halted. There is a backlog of over 100 undelivered B787s. An Aug 2nd FAA inspection didn't pass muster. New tentative date of resolution is late October. Let's see if it will pan out.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeings...er-11630783728

Westjet probably still doesn't have a firm date of when it will receive it's frames. The lack of announcement of new routes on the dreamliner most certainly reflects that. Boeing really needs to get its shit together !

I'd imagine they'd at least get 1-2 by June to start at least one new route. Although they may be working to get slots to keep AMS instead.

Dominion301 Oct 6, 2021 4:44 PM

Today marks the restoration of PD's full year-round network with the return of YFC, YSJ, YQG, YTS and YAM...but still at far fewer frequencies vs pre-pandemic.

Calfan12 Oct 6, 2021 5:51 PM

Swoop Airlines ✈️ planning to resume seasonal international flights at Hamilton YHM again in November 2021 .

http://globalnews.ca/news/8247060/sw...ghts-hamilton/

Calfan12 Oct 6, 2021 5:55 PM

Delta Airlines ✈️ next week Tuesday October, 12 is resuming Calgary-Salt Lake City,US flights & it’s operating 1x daily on the Embraer 175.

thenoflyzone Oct 6, 2021 11:20 PM

This was reported pre-pandemic as well, so glad to see Ethiopian's plans to launch YUL are still in the works.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29...erican-routes/

Quote:

GebreMariam also revealed that there are talks ongoing with relevant bodies in Canada to start Montreal (YUL) flights via Dublin (DUB).

Calfan12 Oct 7, 2021 8:11 AM

Traveling in Canada by plane ✈️ or train, proof of vaccination required starting Oct.30 2021. https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...30/6022048001/

q12 Oct 7, 2021 12:41 PM

Quote:

Mandatory COVID-19 vaccination requirements for federally regulated transportation employees and travellers

From: Transport Canada

Backgrounder
October 6, 2021

Vaccine requirements for travellers

Effective October 30, air passengers departing from Canadian airports, travellers on VIA Rail and Rocky Mountaineer trains, and travellers on non-essential passenger vessels on voyages of 24 hours or more, such as cruise ships, will need to be vaccinated.

Effective October 30, travellers will need to be fully vaccinated in order to board. Specifically, the vaccination requirement will apply to all travellers 12 years of age and older who are:

Air passengers flying on domestic, transborder or international flights departing from airports in Canada
  • Air passengers flying on domestic, transborder or international flights departing from airports in Canada
  • Rail passengers on VIA Rail and Rocky Mountaineer trains
  • Marine passengers on non-essential passenger vessels, such as cruise ships, on voyages of 24 hours or more

For travellers who are in the process of being vaccinated, there will be a short transition period where they will be able to travel if they can show a valid COVID-19 molecular test within 72 hours of travel. By November 30, all travellers must be fully vaccinated, with very limited exceptions to address specific situations such as emergency travel, and those medically unable to be vaccinated.
https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-c...ravellers.html

Dominion301 Oct 8, 2021 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9417107)
Swoop Airlines ✈️ planning to resume seasonal international flights at Hamilton YHM again in November 2021 .

http://globalnews.ca/news/8247060/sw...ghts-hamilton/

This, along with a whole host of other stuff, banks on the government allowing international flights at the final batch of airports that are still barred.

Dominion301 Oct 8, 2021 12:49 AM

AC announced YOW-YTZ 4x daily starting October 31st and increasing to 8x daily sometime next summer: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...809428921.html

I wonder if AC have at last decided to split their 15 YTZ slots between YUL and YOW or whether Porter have relinquished some YTZ slots?

hehehe Oct 8, 2021 2:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9418810)
AC announced YOW-YTZ 4x daily starting October 31st and increasing to 8x daily sometime next summer: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...809428921.html

I wonder if AC have at last decided to split their 15 YTZ slots between YUL and YOW or whether Porter have relinquished some YTZ slots?

YOW-YTZ is 4x daily in November and YUL-YTZ is 5x daily but in December it goes back to 15x daily. Maybe they haven't updated schedules yet?

nname Oct 8, 2021 3:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hemustbeaboss (Post 9414203)
Update was done earlier this week, on Wednesday

Didn't see it when I checked the schedule last week. Maybe I just missed it, or AC now update booking site before schedule?

The new YTZ-YOW route haven't show up in schedule it..

Dominion301 Oct 9, 2021 8:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9418861)
YOW-YTZ is 4x daily in November and YUL-YTZ is 5x daily but in December it goes back to 15x daily. Maybe they haven't updated schedules yet?

Domestic AC is a dummy schedule...beyond the new YTZ-YOW route. For example the YYZ Rapidair routes almost double in capacity between Nov. 30th and Dec. 1st. That's not going to happen.

nname Oct 9, 2021 8:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9419879)
Domestic AC is a dummy schedule...beyond the new YTZ-YOW route. For example the YYZ Rapidair routes almost double in capacity between Nov. 30th and Dec. 1st. That's not going to happen.

AC had not really updated schedule beyond Nov 30th for most of the route that was not suspended. But schedule on or before Nov 30th are mostly set, save for some last minute reductions and cancellations...

casper Oct 11, 2021 5:48 AM

Looks like COVID has shifted the chairs on who is flying where. YVR has been picking up new airlines with new routes while some of the old ones stay suspended.

The latest addition is Singapore Airlines.

Swissport Executive jumping the gun a bit:
https://www.linkedin.com/search/resu...EFAULT%2Cfalse

Calfan12 Oct 11, 2021 8:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9420619)
Looks like COVID has shifted the chairs on who is flying where. YVR has been picking up new airlines with new routes while some of the old ones stay suspended.

The latest addition is Singapore Airlines.

Swissport Executive jumping the gun a bit:
https://www.linkedin.com/search/resu...EFAULT%2Cfalse

Interesting & not too surprising. Post covid Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal & Calgary Airports in Canada will gain more/new routes as it’s where most passengers demand is✅!

thenoflyzone Oct 11, 2021 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9420619)
Looks like COVID has shifted the chairs on who is flying where. YVR has been picking up new airlines with new routes while some of the old ones stay suspended.

The latest addition is Singapore Airlines.

Swissport Executive jumping the gun a bit:
https://www.linkedin.com/search/resu...EFAULT%2Cfalse

Interesting. Ryan Yang is mentioned. He's a cargo manager for Swissport. So still unclear if this is a passenger flight or a cargo run. Although I'm suspecting the former.

I think they just removed the post a second ago !

With the lack of YVR-Asia/Australia passenger flights at the moment, SQ might be trying to capitalize on all the VFR demand from Canada to SE Asia/Australia, etc.

Let's see what happens.

casper Oct 11, 2021 2:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9420659)
Interesting. Ryan Yang is mentioned. He's a cargo manager for Swissport. So still unclear if this is a passenger flight or a cargo run. Although I'm suspecting the former.

I think they just removed the post a second ago !

With the lack of YVR-Asia/Australia passenger flights at the moment, SQ might be trying to capitalize on all the VFR demand from Canada to SE Asia/Australia, etc.

Let's see what happens.

Looks to be passenger flight with a tag-on to Seattle. Hope they sell tickets on the YVR-SEA run as well.

Here is the press release.....
https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/s.../ne2121-211011

And details on flight times.....
https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/p...AUSANNEXEA.pdf

Coldrsx Oct 11, 2021 3:15 PM

Has anyone flown through the USA en route to another country of late?

I am YYC-DFW-MEX in 3 weeks and found some of the information inconsistent.

As I read it, it is a negative viral/rapid test 72hrs because I am passing through the US but nothing for Mexico there.

Return is a PCR to get back to Canada which the US will accept as well?


Last updated October 4, 2021 at 11:25am EDT.
All airline passengers to the United States ages two years and older must provide a negative COVID-19 viral test taken within three calendar days of travel. Alternatively, travelers to the U.S. may provide documentation from a licensed health care provider of having recovered from COVID-19 in the 90 days preceding travel.
https://ca.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information-canada-3/

hollywoodcory Oct 11, 2021 3:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9416331)
https://westjet.mediaroom.com/2021-1...nto-and-Dublin

WS adding YYZ-DUB next summer, bringing its total TATL offering from YYZ to 5. Flights up to 1x daily on a 7M8.

The same week WS added this route, AC upguaged YYZ-DUB to a 77W and YUL-DUB to a 333.

That is a lot of added capacity to Dublin.

Calfan12 Oct 11, 2021 5:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9420709)
Looks to be passenger flight with a tag-on to Seattle. Hope they sell tickets on the YVR-SEA run as well.

Here is the press release.....
https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/s.../ne2121-211011

And details on flight times.....
https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/p...AUSANNEXEA.pdf

Singapore Airlines cannot sell tickets to transport passengers between Vancouver & Seattle as they will need government approvals for that✅!

Singapore Airlines can carry passengers to their final destinations in Vancouver, Seattle or to Singapore.

casper Oct 11, 2021 7:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9420822)
Singapore Airlines cannot sell tickets to transport passengers between Vancouver & Seattle as they will need government approvals for that✅!

Singapore Airlines can carry passengers to their final destinations in Vancouver, Seattle or to Singapore.

They have not made the details of the treaty public. I would not be surprised if it allow onward traffic rights. That is quite common. However until they make more details public we will not know.

https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/transport-agreement/singapore

thenoflyzone Oct 11, 2021 8:11 PM

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Singapore Airlines (SIA) is launching four-times weekly seasonal services to Vancouver, Canada and Seattle, the United States of America (USA), from 2 December 2021 to 15 February 2022
An extremely seasonal flight. 2.5 months of operation. Very unlike SQ, and proof they are going after VFR demand to Singapore and the rest of S and SE Asia for the winter holiday season.

Will be interesting to see the SEA/ YVR origin split of the passengers. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is no 5th freedom rights - or that they chose not to exercise it, similar to the situation of RJ from YUL to DTW - , considering the nature of the flight.

thewave46 Oct 11, 2021 8:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9420928)
An extremely seasonal flight. 2.5 months of operation. Very unlike SQ, and proof they are going after VFR demand to Singapore and the rest of S and SE Asia for the winter holiday season.

Will be interesting to see the SEA/ YVR origin split of the passengers. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is no 5th freedom rights - or that they chose not to exercise it, similar to the situation of RJ from YUL to DTW - , considering the nature of the flight.

Yeah, I don't see the hassle of serving SEA - YVR traffic even worth the bother of the fifth-freedom flight given the distance involved.

It's about 250km by road. There are any number of better options for travellers (road/rail) and enough existing air competition to make it extremely marginal from a business case point of view.

nname Oct 11, 2021 9:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9420928)
An extremely seasonal flight. 2.5 months of operation. Very unlike SQ, and proof they are going after VFR demand to Singapore and the rest of S and SE Asia for the winter holiday season.

Maybe this is SQ's attempt to save the SEA route, similar to AC's YYZ-MXP...

thenoflyzone Oct 11, 2021 9:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9420980)
Maybe this is SQ's attempt to save the SEA route, similar to AC's YYZ-MXP...

Could be. The tag to SEA is surprising, to say the least. But it might indicate that operating to both non stop at the moment is not feasible.

mapleleaf66 Oct 11, 2021 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9420735)
Has anyone flown through the USA en route to another country of late?

I am YYC-DFW-MEX in 3 weeks and found some of the information inconsistent.

As I read it, it is a negative viral/rapid test 72hrs because I am passing through the US but nothing for Mexico there.

Return is a PCR to get back to Canada which the US will accept as well?


Last updated October 4, 2021 at 11:25am EDT.
All airline passengers to the United States ages two years and older must provide a negative COVID-19 viral test taken within three calendar days of travel. Alternatively, travelers to the U.S. may provide documentation from a licensed health care provider of having recovered from COVID-19 in the 90 days preceding travel.
https://ca.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information-canada-3/

I have talked to family members that have travelled to the US in recent weeks. All of them told me you do not need the more expensive PCR to enter. Get the antigen test at Shopper's Drug Mart for $40. You can also get it at the airport before you board but you might want to go a day or two ahead just in case. If you do opt for the PCR test it will also be accepted.

To come back you need the PCR test done no more than 72 hrs before. Not sure about Mexico City but PVR has a testing site at the airport open 24/7 no appointment needed. Cost is about $100 CDN. Results come back in less than 48 hrs.

thenoflyzone Oct 12, 2021 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9420980)
Maybe this is SQ's attempt to save the SEA route, similar to AC's YYZ-MXP...

Considering 2 of the 4x weekly flights will be reserved for SIN O&D alone (from what I understand), this might explain the YVR/SEA combo. Neither have enough demand to SIN proper to justify a non stop. Both of them together, however, might work.

casper Oct 12, 2021 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9421051)
Considering 2 of the 4x weekly flights will be reserved for SIN O&D alone (from what I understand), this might explain the YVR/SEA combo. Neither have enough demand to SIN proper to justify a non stop. Both of them together, however, might work.

Lets hope Singapore Airlines comes to their senses and understands the benefits of serving YVR year round even if they have to use a tag-on to make it work. In addition to Seattle they could easily do tag-on flights to Chicago, Dallas or Houston. This is just a start to what should ultimately become a daily year round service.

nname Oct 12, 2021 1:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9421051)
Considering 2 of the 4x weekly flights will be reserved for SIN O&D alone (from what I understand), this might explain the YVR/SEA combo. Neither have enough demand to SIN proper to justify a non stop. Both of them together, however, might work.

I believe if you meet the VTL requirement, you can take those flights for transit as well. Given that vaccination is already mandatory for boarding the flight from Canada, you'll just need a PCR test in order to book those flights.

Coldrsx Oct 12, 2021 1:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapleleaf66 (Post 9421016)
I have talked to family members that have travelled to the US in recent weeks. All of them told me you do not need the more expensive PCR to enter. Get the antigen test at Shopper's Drug Mart for $40. You can also get it at the airport before you board but you might want to go a day or two ahead just in case. If you do opt for the PCR test it will also be accepted.

To come back you need the PCR test done no more than 72 hrs before. Not sure about Mexico City but PVR has a testing site at the airport open 24/7 no appointment needed. Cost is about $100 CDN. Results come back in less than 48 hrs.

:tup::cheers:

SpongeG Oct 12, 2021 3:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9420735)
Has anyone flown through the USA en route to another country of late?

I am YYC-DFW-MEX in 3 weeks and found some of the information inconsistent.

As I read it, it is a negative viral/rapid test 72hrs because I am passing through the US but nothing for Mexico there.

Return is a PCR to get back to Canada which the US will accept as well?


Last updated October 4, 2021 at 11:25am EDT.
All airline passengers to the United States ages two years and older must provide a negative COVID-19 viral test taken within three calendar days of travel. Alternatively, travelers to the U.S. may provide documentation from a licensed health care provider of having recovered from COVID-19 in the 90 days preceding travel.
https://ca.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information-canada-3/

the USA is changing their requirements in November, they will not accept mixed vaccines once these new regulations come in.

I've heard people have missed connecting flights because their test prior was two hours different to what was accepted, basically, it seems like if their flight was 11 am but the test limit expired at 9 am and they were denied boarding. So you gotta get the test timed right, have also heard resorts/hotels in Mexico will help arrange the testing for heading home, they help arrange when you check-in.

LO 044 Oct 12, 2021 7:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9420735)
Has anyone flown through the USA en route to another country of late?

I am YYC-DFW-MEX in 3 weeks and found some of the information inconsistent.

As I read it, it is a negative viral/rapid test 72hrs because I am passing through the US but nothing for Mexico there.

Return is a PCR to get back to Canada which the US will accept as well?


Last updated October 4, 2021 at 11:25am EDT.
All airline passengers to the United States ages two years and older must provide a negative COVID-19 viral test taken within three calendar days of travel. Alternatively, travelers to the U.S. may provide documentation from a licensed health care provider of having recovered from COVID-19 in the 90 days preceding travel.
https://ca.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information-canada-3/

I think this "Canadian" PCR test requirement is a killer for the Canadian airline industry. I have a Mexico trip booked in late January. While we're not flying via the US this time we still need that damned PCR test on the way back. Mexico doesn't require any test and i think we're fine getting on the plane down since the adults are vaccinated.

My resort is charging $100 USD per PCR test. We will cancel the trip if this rule is still in place. It's not worth me paying a $650 premium to take my family down there. Yeah we miss traveling but that is too hefty of a premium. Canada should adopt the viral rapid test that the US is accepting. A $150 premium is one thing but a $650 premium for a test, forget it.

The second trip is to Orlando in late March and all i can find so far is the PCR test at CVS for $139 USD per person so it is even worse at $870 premium.

I mean what percentage of Canadians or the Americans or "insert country name here" will need to be vaccinated in order to remove these PCR test requirements? This virus isn't going away anytime soon. The whole system is set up to be counter productive to traveling outside of Canada. Until Dollarama comes up with reasonably priced PCR test or the Canadian government changes it's requirement, the airline industry will continue to suffer.

LO 044 Oct 13, 2021 5:54 AM

As i write the above this is very encouraging.

Now will Canada do the same and remove the need for the expensive PCR test?

Quote:

If a traveller is fully vaccinated, there will be no requirement for them to show a negative COVID-19 test.

When the updated rules go into effect, the U.S. will also ease other travel restrictions for fully vaccinated travellers arriving by air.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/us-ca...open-1.6208838

thenoflyzone Oct 13, 2021 12:49 PM

^ about time!

casper Oct 13, 2021 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LO 044 (Post 9422285)
As i write the above this is very encouraging.

Now will Canada do the same and remove the need for the expensive PCR test?


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/us-ca...open-1.6208838

Yes, that would be ideal.

Innsertnamehere Oct 13, 2021 10:56 PM

Better yet, remove testing requirements for fully vaccinated individuals entirely.


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