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casper Apr 12, 2022 4:30 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9596211)
YXX serves Greater Vancouver. Not the same thing. Or did you really think the 153,000 people living in Abbotsford are exclusively the ones filling those flights at YXX?

This is no different than YYZ/YHM, or YUL/YMX in the 70s, 80s and 90s, or YEG/YCD back when the latter was open, etc.

YRQ and YSC are too far (more than 140km) to serve Greater Montreal adequately, but too close to enable them to attract any meaningful service.

Any airport that is within ~70-80 km of a major city essentially serves that city, even if it technically lies in another jurisdiction. YHM and YXX fit that description perfectly.

Vancouver (like Toronto) is spread over a wide area. YXX has crappy connections relative to YVR for anyone in the City of Vancouver. YXX is actually a fairly good option for many people living in Surrey, the municipality that in the coming decades will have a population greater than the City of Vancouver.

Today the problem with YXX is it is dominated by all of these ultra low cost carriers that lack any reasonable network connection beyond a handful of destinations. At some point AC and WS will re-enter YXX with frequent connections to major hubs and it will live up to its potential. Until then it will have flair and the odd flight swooping in but not real substance.

Dominion301 Apr 12, 2022 5:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 9596362)
Isn't KF the original owner of Flair.

Partially they were. KF have still always had a small cargo airline op with the Convairs in BC. Exciting to see them get back in the charter game.

Airboy Apr 12, 2022 5:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9596514)
Partially they were. KF have still always had a small cargo airline op with the Convairs in BC. Exciting to see them get back in the charter game.

I remember them back stopping First Air in Nunavut with some aircraft and crews for a time.

Dominion301 Apr 12, 2022 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 9596538)
I remember them back stopping First Air in Nunavut with some aircraft and crews for a time.

I actually don't remember that...and I used to work for 7F. Must have been after my time there. Summit supplied 7F with a 146 though for about 3 years.

Also 7F/5T pretty much operate YWG-YYQ-YRT as a joint venture with MQ.

zahav Apr 13, 2022 2:27 AM

I think YXX will still remain a bit player. It is not closer for many people in Surrey, YVR is still closer. It is however a big plus for the growing areas in the central and eastern Fraser Valley (ie. Chilliwack). And YXX is good for point to point, and heavily for to and from Alberta. I don't think Air Canada has major plans for YXX, just like how they don't for YHM, these airports will stay the way they are for some time. Just look at the multitude of Los Angeles area airports, none of them have taken away from LAX. Having YXX and YHM are not harming YVR and YYZ, it makes the whole region more connected

Calfan12 Apr 19, 2022 11:53 AM

Alaska Airlines resumes Edmonton YEG- Seattle SEA 1x daily flights✈️ today & operated by the Q400 plane. It’s the 1st US airline to resume nonstop flights at YEG ,since 2020.

casper Apr 19, 2022 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9601840)
Alaska Airlines resumes Edmonton YEG- Seattle SEA 1x daily flights✈️ today & operated by the Q400 plane. It’s the 1st US airline to resume nonstop flights at YEG ,since 2020.

That is good news. It need connections by major airlines into their hubs to have reasonable service.

It was looking like Edmonton was heading to being one of those airport that was dominated by ultra low cost carriers. Not good for a major Canadian citiy.

thenoflyzone Apr 19, 2022 1:00 PM

This is great news...

https://media.aircanada.com/2022-04-...,000-Customers

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Air Canada's One-Day Passenger Load Exceeds 100,000 Customers

MONTREAL, April 18, 2022 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada has flown more than 100,000 customers in a single day for the first time since early in the pandemic as passenger loads continue to rebound with customers returning to travel.

Air Canada has flown more than 100,000 customers in a single day for the first time since early in the pandemic. (CNW Group/Air Canada)

"We were very pleased to have had 100,701 customers board our planes on April 15, 2022, as travellers steadily return. Clearly there is a pent-up demand for travel that is matched only by our enthusiasm to welcome back our customers. It is also significant that we passed this milestone smoothly, indicating Air Canada has recovered operationally from COVID-19's effects and is prepared to safely and conveniently transport customers during the busy summer ahead," said Kevin O'Connor, Vice President of Air Canada's Systems Operations Control, which manages the airline's daily operation.

The last time Air Canada carried more than 100,000 customers in one day was March 13, 2020. During the pandemic passenger loads fell as low as 2,175 on April 23, 2020, as global air traffic ground to a virtual halt. In 2019, prior to the pandemic, Air Canada carried on average nearly 150,000 people daily and its single-day, passenger-load record was 187,000 customers on August 16, 2019.

Innsertnamehere Apr 19, 2022 1:21 PM

So passenger loads seem to be back to about 60-70% of normal? That's higher than I expected it to be.

thenoflyzone Apr 19, 2022 1:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere (Post 9601892)
So passenger loads seem to be back to about 60-70% of normal? That's higher than I expected it to be.

https://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/en/scr...passenger-data

April 17, 2022, CATSA screened 101,854 departing passengers at our 8 busiest airports.

Same day in 2019, it was 146,436.

So yeah, that's around 70%. Very encouraging.

MonctonRad Apr 19, 2022 2:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere (Post 9601892)
So passenger loads seem to be back to about 60-70% of normal? That's higher than I expected it to be.

I'm doing my main medical conference virtually again this year. It works pretty well, but I expect to attend next year in person, so, yes, I intend to start flying again in about one year.

Acajack Apr 19, 2022 3:04 PM

The CAQ has announced that it will be capping round trip airfares at 500 dollars for flights within Quebec in a move to cut the cost of flying to and from far-flung regions of the province.

jamincan Apr 19, 2022 3:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 9601986)
The CAQ has announced that it will be capping round trip airfares at 500 dollars for flights within Quebec in a move to cut the cost of flying to and from far-flung regions of the province.

That sounds like a policy that could backfire.

thenoflyzone Apr 19, 2022 3:45 PM

YUL posted Jan and Feb numbers. (Increases are based on the same month last year.)

Jan 606,677 +182%
Feb 621,708 +460%

https://www.admtl.com/sites/default/...et_2022_EN.pdf

YYC has Jan, Feb and March posted.

Jan 653,700 +155%
Feb 698,846 +264%
March 950,174 +327%

https://www.yyc.com/en-us/media/fact...tatistics.aspx

YVR has Jan numbers up.

Jan 776,045 +208%

https://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/docum...fic-update.pdf

YUL seems to be gaining ground on YYC. Wonder if they'll retake 3rd spot this year. March/April numbers should start telling the story.

Reminder of 2021 numbers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...in_Canada#2021

Dominion301 Apr 19, 2022 5:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jamincan (Post 9601988)
That sounds like a policy that could backfire.

I wonder if there’ll be an exemption for Nunavik? You can’t fly YUL-YVO or anywhere else to the north profitably at sub-$500 round trip airfares.

whatnext Apr 19, 2022 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad (Post 9601927)
I'm doing my main medical conference virtually again this year. It works pretty well, but I expect to attend next year in person, so, yes, I intend to start flying again in about one year.

I'll be curious to see how a US judge's ruling that the US federal government can't require masks on flight impacts Canadian transborder flights. You can bet on a substantial amount of belligerent, ill-informed American flyers insisting they don't need to wear a mask on their flight to Toronto etc. :rolleyes:

casper Apr 19, 2022 6:43 PM

Sunwing meltdown continues into today.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/techni...gers-1.5867187

Who are they using for there system? This is bad when it goes on from day to day.

thenoflyzone Apr 19, 2022 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 9602262)
I'll be curious to see how a US judge's ruling that the US federal government can't require masks on flight impacts Canadian transborder flights. You can bet on a substantial amount of belligerent, ill-informed American flyers insisting they don't need to wear a mask on their flight to Toronto etc. :rolleyes:

They'll probably be reminded when they announce boarding for the flight, and several times throughout the flight as well.

The Transport minister announced today that they are keeping the mask mandate on planes and trains for now.

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9602217)
I wonder if there’ll be an exemption for Nunavik? You can’t fly YUL-YVO or anywhere else to the north profitably at sub-$500 round trip airfares.

I think Nunavik will be exempt, based on the following map of admissible routes. And there is no reason why a Dash 8 flight from Montreal to Val D'or should be more than $500 RT. Nunavik is much further, so there I agree.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle...bais-bonnardel

https://images.radio-canada.ca/q_aut...gions-vols.JPG

jamincan Apr 20, 2022 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9602217)
I wonder if there’ll be an exemption for Nunavik? You can’t fly YUL-YVO or anywhere else to the north profitably at sub-$500 round trip airfares.

That's precisely what I was wondering. Cheap airfares don't do a lot of good if there are no airlines flying to your airport.

casper Apr 21, 2022 1:48 AM

Interesting Sungwing is using Airline Choice as their software supplier and it looks like what continues to require them to manually check in passengers was a cyber threat.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/sunwin...each-1.5868952


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