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Dominion301 Dec 10, 2021 1:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9472682)
Interesting development.

Air Creebec has a Dash-8 that does YUL-YGK-YMO and back several times a week. I don't know if they sell seats on YUL-YGK or not. I know the plane departs the GA section of YUL, not from the main passenger terminal.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/yn703
That flight has been a regular charter for years, if not decades. It's never been available for purchase though. Looks like it currently flies 4x/week: https://www.airportia.com/flights/yn...ston/moosonee/. Strangely enough, YGK is now in Air Creebec's booking engine, but you can't book anything to/from YGK. Maybe that's a sign they plan on turning it into a scheduled flight post-pandemic.

I hope Pascan succeed with their first foray into Ontario. Maybe they'll look further west to Sarnia eventually - another ex-AC BEH & DH1 destination that lost all air service.

Dominion301 Dec 10, 2021 1:02 AM
The first 763 freighter has entered revenue service earlier than planned to help BC with the floods. I believe it's FIN 637. It's still in old colours with no titles, but the old tail decal is still intact.

https://vimeo.com/654280740

PR has an image as to what the 763s will look like once fully painted:
https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...824278727.html

peytol Dec 10, 2021 1:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 9472680)
I don't have any inside details but someone at the city did sis make it sounds like they have finally figured things out regarding our infamous landing issues. Was surprised to hear that they had hired a private company to map out the valley.
I also don't live in the area, but would love some better access for skiing.
They may be able to make an approach, but that doesn't mean anyone can fly it. Currently Q400s can't fly the rnp onto runway 34 in kelowna, which in comparison is a wide open valley.
Hopefully they have some solution, but the minimums will not be that low on an rnp that the dash can fly.

thenoflyzone Dec 10, 2021 9:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9472730)
That flight has been a regular charter for years, if not decades. It's never been available for purchase though. Looks like it currently flies 4x/week: https://www.airportia.com/flights/yn...ston/moosonee/. Strangely enough, YGK is now in Air Creebec's booking engine, but you can't book anything to/from YGK. Maybe that's a sign they plan on turning it into a scheduled flight post-pandemic.
Yeah, must be either a charter, or a ferry flight to get the plane to YMO for the YTS run and back.

On their website, neither YUL-YGK nor YGK-YMO are bookable. Only YMO-YTS.

https://www.aircreebec.ca/fly-with-us/flight-schedule/

Quote:
Originally Posted by peytol (Post 9472741)
I also don't live in the area, but would love some better access for skiing.
They may be able to make an approach, but that doesn't mean anyone can fly it. Currently Q400s can't fly the rnp onto runway 34 in kelowna, which in comparison is a wide open valley.
Hopefully they have some solution, but the minimums will not be that low on an rnp that the dash can fly.
Currently the main problem with YCG is not just the approach, but moreso the departure. The weather minimums (specifically cloud ceiling) to depart are even worse than to land. Which is why AC/Jazz often won't even bother sending in the Q400 if they know it won't be able to depart the airport. They dont want to leave a frame there for several days.

Arrival minimums based on the RNAV A approach. 3 miles, ~2750ft or 2870ft ceiling, depending on type of plane. Since it's a circling approach, i heard on another forum that Jazz adds a mile and 100ft to the procedure.
Departure minimums: 2 miles, 4500ft ceiling. The departure is basically a visual procedure that requires you to circle over the airport until reaching 6,100ft MSL before proceeding on course.

So designing a new RNP AR approach to land is all fine, but they will need a similar departure procedure as well. Or else you're back to square one.

Dominion301 Dec 10, 2021 6:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9472926)
Yeah, must be either a charter, or a ferry flight to get the plane to YMO for the YTS run and back.

On their website, neither YUL-YGK nor YGK-YMO are bookable. Only YMO-YTS.

https://www.aircreebec.ca/fly-with-us/flight-schedule/



Currently the main problem with YCG is not just the approach, but moreso the departure. The weather minimums (specifically cloud ceiling) to depart are even worse than to land. Which is why AC/Jazz often won't even bother sending in the Q400 if they know it won't be able to depart the airport. They dont want to leave a frame there for several days.

Arrival minimums based on the RNAV A approach. 3 miles, ~2750ft or 2870ft ceiling, depending on type of plane. Since it's a circling approach, i heard on another forum that Jazz adds a mile and 100ft to the procedure.
Departure minimums: 2 miles, 4500ft ceiling. The departure is basically a visual procedure that requires you to circle over the airport until reaching 6,100ft MSL before proceeding on course.

So designing a new RNP AR approach to land is all fine, but they will need a similar departure procedure as well. Or else you're back to square one.
YTS is a base for Air Creebec, so they have a couple of Dashes based there for the Ontario routes.

Djeffery Dec 10, 2021 10:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9472731)
The first 763 freighter has entered revenue service earlier than planned to help BC with the floods. I believe it's FIN 637. It's still in old colours with no titles, but the old tail decal is still intact.

https://vimeo.com/654280740

PR has an image as to what the 763s will look like once fully painted:
https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...824278727.html
Any idea how many freighters AC is planning to put in service? I wonder if they might be looking to compete with Cargojet on some courier contracts. I believe Canada Post and Purolator are entering the final year of the initial 7 year contract and will be going to 3 year options after 2022. I wonder if AC might be looking at a bid for 2025.

casper Dec 11, 2021 1:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 9473507)
Any idea how many freighters AC is planning to put in service? I wonder if they might be looking to compete with Cargojet on some courier contracts. I believe Canada Post and Purolator are entering the final year of the initial 7 year contract and will be going to 3 year options after 2022. I wonder if AC might be looking at a bid for 2025.
Sounds like it is 8 aircraft. The routes Air Canada have been talking about are mostly international. CargoJet does some international but mostly domestic.

If anyone is going to be competing with CargoJet I would guess WestJet cargo with their new 737 freighters they are buying.

thenoflyzone Dec 11, 2021 3:55 PM
Well, the longest sun route in AC's network started operating today. AC521 YUL-HNL. 10h48 min flight westbound. With AC's tight block times, combined with winter winds/de-icing, it will surely go beyond 11 hours on most days.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ac521

peytol Dec 11, 2021 4:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9472926)
Yeah, must be either a charter, or a ferry flight to get the plane to YMO for the YTS run and back.

On their website, neither YUL-YGK nor YGK-YMO are bookable. Only YMO-YTS.

https://www.aircreebec.ca/fly-with-us/flight-schedule/



Currently the main problem with YCG is not just the approach, but moreso the departure. The weather minimums (specifically cloud ceiling) to depart are even worse than to land. Which is why AC/Jazz often won't even bother sending in the Q400 if they know it won't be able to depart the airport. They dont want to leave a frame there for several days.

Arrival minimums based on the RNAV A approach. 3 miles, ~2750ft or 2870ft ceiling, depending on type of plane. Since it's a circling approach, i heard on another forum that Jazz adds a mile and 100ft to the procedure.
Departure minimums: 2 miles, 4500ft ceiling. The departure is basically a visual procedure that requires you to circle over the airport until reaching 6,100ft MSL before proceeding on course.

So designing a new RNP AR approach to land is all fine, but they will need a similar departure procedure as well. Or else you're back to square one.
Very true, RNP departures do exist but really no idea how that would work in YCG. I cant think of any NAV Can RNP departures. Should be interesting to see what they come up with.

hollywoodcory Dec 12, 2021 8:52 PM
WS updated its April schedule and the 787 delivery delays are finally showing with YYC-LGW getting axed from March 26-April 30th.

The 789 is still planned to fly in April:
YYC-LHR/CDG/OGG/CUN/PVR
YYZ-LGW/CUN
YVR-OGG

No other long-haul S22 changes have been made - yet.

LO 044 Dec 15, 2021 5:55 AM
"Canada to advise citizens against non-essential international travel due to Omicron variant"

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...iant-1.5707466

Not good news for the industry or any traveler hoping to escape in the near future.

1. I'm assuming this will be a travel advisory? So if you booked your trip prior to the announcement, does your travel and/or medical insurance cover you? I booked a flight for late January but I have medical insurance through work. I am curious what will happen in this situation as i'm sure others will as well.

2. Will AC, WS, TS etc. be "forced" by the government to provide free refunds as they did previously in this situation? And I don't mean credit or free changes, I mean refund to your original payment method.

JakeLRS Dec 15, 2021 4:34 PM
Flair expanding to 30 aircraft by 2023

Additional deliveries start next year.

Increased frequencies, increased expansion in Canada and the USA.

Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver, Kitchener-Waterloo are top performers.

“ “We will feed the good performers,” said Jones, singling out Kitchener-Waterloo as a strong-performing market.

“We will be adding depth in terms of expanding the number of frequencies on existing routes,” said Chief Operating Officer Garth Lund. “On top of that, you’ll also see new destinations coming in. And that’ll be in Canada, but also expanding further in the U.S.”

Flair will create more than 1,000 new jobs when the aircraft are all in service, said Jones.

“We’ll be expanding in Toronto next year, we’ve seen very good demand there,” said Lund. He said Flair would also add aircraft to bases in Edmonton and Vancouver.”

https://westernaviationnews.com/flai...-aircraft/?amp

nname Dec 19, 2021 4:43 AM
AC's domestic/transborder/sun schedule change for S22

The following is max frequency during July... I only included the ones that are lower frequency...

YVR-YHZ 1x daily 7M8 (AC 362)
YYC-YHZ 2x daily 7M8 (AC 392/394)
YUL-YLW 1x daily 223

YYZ-ORD 1x daily 320, 7x daily E75
YHZ-YYT 3x daily 320 (from express)

YYZ-CUN 1x daily 788 (AC 930)
YVR-CUN 1x weekly 319 (AC 932)
YVR-PVR 1x weekly 319 (AC 970) --- I thought mainline A319 are all retired???

YVR-ORD 1x daily 320 (AC 1048, from express)
YYZ-IAD 1x daily 223, 2x daily E75 (AC 1076, from express)

YYZ-MIA 2x daily 223 (AC 1200/1204, from rouge)
YUL-MIA 2x daily 223 (AC 1206/1208, from rouge)

All widebody YYZ/YUL-LAX/SFO now run with 333.

Other Rouge changes:
New:
YQB-FLL/CUN
YYZ-POP
YUL-POP/SAN
YYC-YQB
YVR-YQB

Convert to Rouge:
YYZ-BDA/AUA/CUR/BGI (all from mainline)

Increase:
YUL-YYJ
YYZ-YYG/PUJ/CCC/SJO/PDX/YCD

Decrease:
YUL-VRA
YUZ-NAS/HAV/UVF

Cancel:
YYZ-HOG/SVD
YUL-SNU/ZSA

nname Dec 19, 2021 5:02 AM
From the schedule of AC Express, seems like they intend to operate daily YUL-YDF with E75 next summer. So all of a sudden, YDF becomes an insanely popular place? :D

Other express changes:

New:
YUL-YDF
YOW-YYG

Convert to Express
YYZ-IAH (mainline), YQT (rouge)

Increase:
YVR-YKA
YYC-YKA/YCD
YYZ-YQY/BOS/ORD/IND
YUL-ZBF/DCA

Decrease:
YEG-YWG
YVR-YZF
YUL-LGA
YOW-DCA

Cancellation:
YEG-YXE
YHZ-YQY/YYR
YUL-BDL
YOW-BOS

whatnext Dec 19, 2021 4:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9477133)
Flair expanding to 30 aircraft by 2023

Additional deliveries start next year.

Increased frequencies, increased expansion in Canada and the USA.

Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver, Kitchener-Waterloo are top performers.

“ “We will feed the good performers,” said Jones, singling out Kitchener-Waterloo as a strong-performing market.

“We will be adding depth in terms of expanding the number of frequencies on existing routes,” said Chief Operating Officer Garth Lund. “On top of that, you’ll also see new destinations coming in. And that’ll be in Canada, but also expanding further in the U.S.”

Flair will create more than 1,000 new jobs when the aircraft are all in service, said Jones.

“We’ll be expanding in Toronto next year, we’ve seen very good demand there,” said Lund. He said Flair would also add aircraft to bases in Edmonton and Vancouver.”

https://westernaviationnews.com/flai...-aircraft/?amp
Jetsgo Part Deux.

hehehe Dec 19, 2021 6:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nname (Post 9481118)
From the schedule of AC Express, seems like they intend to operate daily YUL-YDF with E75 next summer. So all of a sudden, YDF becomes an insanely popular place? :D

Other express changes:

New:
YUL-YDF
YOW-YYG

Convert to Express
YYZ-IAH (mainline), YQT (rouge)

Increase:
YVR-YKA
YYC-YKA/YCD
YYZ-YQY/BOS/ORD/IND
YUL-ZBF/DCA

Decrease:
YEG-YWG
YVR-YZF
YUL-LGA
YOW-DCA

Cancellation:
YEG-YXE
YHZ-YQY/YYR
YUL-BDL
YOW-BOS
From YEG AC is axing YQR,YXE,YWG,YMM,YQU,YLW and YYJ. Seems only YZF and YYC are left on AC express as well as YEG-YOW/YUL/YVR.

hollywoodcory Dec 19, 2021 6:59 PM
Interesting that AC plans to use a 787 to Mexico in the summer, instead of say Europe? I guess they don't think it will be as busy as many other airlines are hinting at.

Also looks like the slot waiver for the EU has been extended to the end of S22, reducing from 80% to 64% usage.

https://www.eureporter.co/business/a...ines-extended/

nname Dec 19, 2021 8:05 PM
Air Canada applied for extra-bilateral authority to operate to New Delhi:
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2021-185

Current bilateral agreement allows AC to operate up to 14x weekly to any single point in India (7x YYZ, 7x YVR)

Ex-bilateral was applied from Oct 15 to operate additional 6x weekly flight (3x YYZ, 3x YUL)

Now AC applied for another 8x weekly starting Dec 15. 1x weekly is already added to the YUL flight, so where would the other 7x weekly go?

Note that the extra frequency expires by the end of March, so the extra flights from YYZ and YUL next summer will need to approve first.

hollywoodcory Dec 19, 2021 8:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nname (Post 9481461)
Air Canada applied for extra-bilateral authority to operate to New Delhi:
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2021-185

Current bilateral agreement allows AC to operate up to 14x weekly to any single point in India (7x YYZ, 7x YVR)

Ex-bilateral was applied from Oct 15 to operate additional 6x weekly flight (3x YYZ, 3x YUL)

Now AC applied for another 8x weekly starting Dec 15. 1x weekly is already added to the YUL flight, so where would the other 7x weekly go?

Note that the extra frequency expires by the end of March, so the extra flights from YYZ and YUL next summer will need to approve first.
YYZ increases to 14x weekly, and the others to YVR?

As much as I'd like to eventually see YYC-DEL, I'd say its pretty low on AC's radar.

Dominion301 Dec 20, 2021 12:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nname (Post 9481118)
From the schedule of AC Express, seems like they intend to operate daily YUL-YDF with E75 next summer. So all of a sudden, YDF becomes an insanely popular place? :D

Other express changes:

New:
YUL-YDF
YOW-YYG

Convert to Express
YYZ-IAH (mainline), YQT (rouge)

Increase:
YVR-YKA
YYC-YKA/YCD
YYZ-YQY/BOS/ORD/IND
YUL-ZBF/DCA

Decrease:
YEG-YWG
YVR-YZF
YUL-LGA
YOW-DCA

Cancellation:
YEG-YXE
YHZ-YQY/YYR
YUL-BDL
YOW-BOS
The two 'NEW' above are pre-pandemic reinstatements, but in the case of YOW-YYG it's on a DH4 for the first time 1x (summer 2019 saw 2x CRJ). Sucks that YOW-BOS is gone (calling on PD's future YOW hub ;)). YUL-BDL is not surprising with the Dash 8 classic's retirement.

YOW-DCA shifts a frequency to YUL and the remaining daily upguages from a CRJ to a CR9. What's a little bizarre is the remaining daily departs YOW at 2045. YOW's never had a transborder departure so late in the evening/ The return is a 0827 YOW arrival. So DCA pax can still do a same-day biz trip, but YOW pax will need to arrive the night beforehand. Hopefully these slot times won't cause the route to fail. It'll be decently timed for connections at YOW though.


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