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YYCguys Feb 10, 2022 4:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9531398)
https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...897878110.html

Swoop's expansion includes another surprise. For their next six tails, instead of hand-me-down 738s, they're getting part of WS' order of factory-new 7M8s.

I thought Swoop wasn’t going to poach Westjet’s routes. Many of their routes are former (or current) Westjet routes! Is Westjet just willingly handing over all these routes to Swoop?

Calfan12 Feb 10, 2022 6:23 AM

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Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 9531438)
I thought Swoop wasn’t going to poach Westjet’s routes. Many of their routes are former (or current) Westjet routes! Is Westjet just willingly handing over all these routes to Swoop?

What WestJet wants to do is keep Calgary YYC, Toronto YYZ and Vancouver YVR their 3 busiest hubs as Premium as possible on its WS Mainline flights & yes there will be also some cheaper fares available in Economy seating on WS mainline too for YYC, YYZ & YVR. Basically it's a mix of both types.
WestJet's larger 787's planes only operate mainly on flights to/from YYC,YYZ & YVR is good signal of it✅!!

Majority of the Swoop flights in Edmonton, Toronto & Smaller Airports in Canada are to compete with Flair or Lynx for Leisurely passengers (who usually pay for cheaper low cost type of fares in Economy). As Swoop planes have "no Premium Seating"!

jamincan Feb 10, 2022 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 9531308)
Not really. I'd rather have an 18" wide seat on a 321LR than a 17" wide seat on a 9-abreast 787.

Also, the long range narrowbodies should open up more secondary and tertiary cities, reducing connections. Huge for cities like Halifax, Quebec City, Ottawa and Edmonton.

RIP the 2-3-2 on 767s. :(

Dominion301 Feb 10, 2022 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 9531438)
I thought Swoop wasn’t going to poach Westjet’s routes. Many of their routes are former (or current) Westjet routes! Is Westjet just willingly handing over all these routes to Swoop?

The WS mainline pilots collective allows for a max of 20 tails at Swoop. Evidently no contractual language on where they can & can't use them. Seems rather strange to compete with yourself as I doubt they'll pull mainline from many of the ones that already have WS.

Even back in AC's ZIP days, I don't remember them doing that. However, ZIP was a separate AOC and they didn't interline with mainline/Jazz. They did have mainline/Jazz overlap with Tango, but that wasn't a separate AOC, just some all-Y 320s and 732s, but as I recall Tango didn't interline with mainline & Jazz.

Rouge doesn't compete with mainline at AC, even if pre-pandemic a couple of routes were a mix of rouge and express (e.g. YQB-YUL/YYZ).

Truenorth00 Feb 10, 2022 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jamincan (Post 9531587)
RIP the 2-3-2 on 767s. :(

Yeah. I like the 767s and 330s for this reason.

I have come to detest later Boeing airplanes, specifically because they design their airplanes to allow airlines to stuff me in a 17" seat. All, as people get wider globally.

whatnext Feb 11, 2022 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 9531291)
How so? Seating on the SAS A321LRs looks identical to what you would expect to see on a widebody. Lie-flat business, spacious premium economy seats and regular economy.

Simple, two rows give you another exit route for safety and for comfort.

Calfan12 Feb 11, 2022 10:15 AM

United Airlines has resumed Houston IAH, US - Calgary YYC,Canada flights ✈️ again on February 10 2022 ,1x daily. (As this UA route was suspended since mid March 2020 due to the pandemic).

esquire Feb 11, 2022 5:23 PM

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Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 9532716)
Simple, two rows give you another exit route for safety and for comfort.

The safety of the second row is diminished by the fact that a widebody has way more people using them. And the second row does nothing to improve my personal comfort.

The only thing that I will give to widebodies is that the economy washrooms tend to be a bit more spacious. I was shocked by the tiny closet lavs at the back of the AC 737 Max, it would be annoying to put up with that on a trip to Europe, for instance.

Coldrsx Feb 11, 2022 5:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 9532580)
Yeah. I like the 767s and 330s for this reason.

I have come to detest later Boeing airplanes, specifically because they design their airplanes to allow airlines to stuff me in a 17" seat. All, as people get wider globally.

Concur in full.

2-3-2 was amazing for travelling with your partner.

Dominion301 Feb 11, 2022 8:21 PM

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Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 9532716)
Simple, two rows give you another exit route for safety and for comfort.

Safety is no different...unless the narrowbody is full and the widebody is 3/4 empty...but the same could be true in reverse. All commercial airliners have to meet the same evacuation timeline requirements in order to be TC-certified airworthy and they're based on an aircraft's max seating capacity being full.

Dominion301 Feb 11, 2022 8:22 PM

Air Canada Salutes its Black Employees; Launches Inaugural Black History Celebratory Flight

Very nice AC.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...806714249.html

Calfan12 Feb 14, 2022 5:23 PM

According to an update from Calgary YYC Spotters Facebook page. Lynx Air’s 1st new Boeing Max 737 Max8 will be delivered its Calgary Hub this Monday February 14 2022 .

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1586...7315069380176/

JakeLRS Feb 14, 2022 10:38 PM

THE ULCC'S ARE FIGHTING AGAIN

Swoop launching:

Burbank-Edmonton
Chicago-Toronto
Nashville-Toronto
Nashville-Edmonton
New York (JFK) - Toronto
San Francisco - Edmonton

All of which are routes Flair announced back in December.

Also, Flair is getting set to announce another American expansion tonight, unclear of which routes yet though.

Coldrsx Feb 14, 2022 10:46 PM

Let the games begin!

Calfan12 Feb 15, 2022 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9536559)
THE ULCC'S ARE FIGHTING AGAIN

Swoop launching:

Burbank-Edmonton
Chicago-Toronto
Nashville-Toronto
Nashville-Edmonton
New York (JFK) - Toronto
San Francisco - Edmonton

All of which are routes Flair announced back in December.

Also, Flair is getting set to announce another American expansion tonight, unclear of which routes yet though.

Yep,Toronto YYZ will benefit again when WestJet officially announces its Summer 2022 flight schedules in the coming weeks & we know Calgary YYC & Vancouver YVR will also too!!

Also with Swoop & Flair adding more US affordable flights at Edmonton YEG, benefits Calgary YYC in Alberta too as US main airlines like Delta, United, American and Alaska are battling it out there for a good mix of Business/Premium/Leisurely passengers in the YYC market.
As YEG market the past several years has seen cuts made by US carriers & currently it’s mainly mostly WestJet, Swoop & Flair doing alot of the US flying.

casper Feb 15, 2022 2:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9536559)
THE ULCC'S ARE FIGHTING AGAIN

Swoop launching:

Burbank-Edmonton
Chicago-Toronto
Nashville-Toronto
Nashville-Edmonton
New York (JFK) - Toronto
San Francisco - Edmonton

All of which are routes Flair announced back in December.

Also, Flair is getting set to announce another American expansion tonight, unclear of which routes yet though.

Clearly WS is working on killing off Flair. That is good to see. Surprised Air Canada is not jumping in as well.

The JFK route is the odd one. I would have thought WS would have used mainline on that one instead of putting under the Swoop brand.

Calfan12 Feb 15, 2022 2:31 AM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9536740)
Clearly WS is working on killing off Flair. That is good to see. Surprised Air Canada is not jumping in as well.

The JFK route is the odd one. I would have thought WS would have used mainline on that one instead of putting under the Swoop brand.


Because Delta Airlines, WestJet’s code sharing partner will be back on the Toronto YYZ-New York JFK route with 3 daily nonstop flights in June 2022 operated by Delta CRJ 900 planes ✈️. They will give Flair competition on it for sure✅!

Along with Swoop on YYZ- JFK too.

Calfan12 Feb 15, 2022 2:43 AM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9536740)
Clearly WS is working on killing off Flair. That is good to see. Surprised Air Canada is not jumping in as well.

The JFK route is the odd one. I would have thought WS would have used mainline on that one instead of putting under the Swoop brand.

WestJet will still have its mainline Boeing 737’s flying to New York City also too on Calgary YYC - New York JFK & Toronto YYZ - New York LaGuardia (LGA) flight routes.

The reason Air Canada not jumping in on the JFk routing as they’re currently focused on competing out of New York LaGuardia & Newark EWR, New York City’s other 2 busiest US Airports.

LO 044 Feb 15, 2022 3:20 AM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9536740)
Clearly WS is working on killing off Flair. That is good to see.

Why is it good to see?

MountainView Feb 15, 2022 5:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LO 044 (Post 9536812)
Why is it good to see?

Agreed. Why is this good to see? The second Flair goes bust (not hoping for this), Swoop will pull any non-profitable flights and there will be no YEG-BNA flights. This competition certainly helps the purchaser/flier right now, especially from these airports (mainly YEG). And the ULCC's will stimulate demand that wasn't naturally there before.... Oh I can go to SFO for the weekend for cheap? Ok... why not!?


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