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JACKinBeantown Aug 26, 2013 8:38 PM

So now it's essentially a 100' x 201' lot?

scalziand Aug 26, 2013 9:03 PM

That's the size of the zoning lot, yes.

easy as pie Aug 26, 2013 9:15 PM

in a fantasy world, the steinway building would remain exactly as is.

NYguy Aug 27, 2013 4:46 AM


Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown (Post 6245137)
So now it's essentially a 100' x 201' lot?

It can now be classified as a through lot.

King DenCity Aug 27, 2013 3:42 PM

^This is gonna be one LEAN tower!
The best skyline in the world is about to get better!

NYguy Sep 5, 2013 10:45 PM

Filings begin for demo inside Steinway Hall...



Onn Sep 9, 2013 2:51 AM


New Era for Skyscrapers

Elliot Brown
Wall Street Journal
September 08, 2013

The managing partner of JDS Development Group and his partners at Property Markets Group are planning a skinny, ultra-luxury condo tower on West 57th Street, which will be about 100 feet taller than the Empire State Building. The venture's plans for the tower submitted last month to the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission call for an approximately 1,350-foot skyscraper that sets back from the street numerous times as it reaches higher—resembling tall, thin steps.

"It's really going to enhance the skyline," says Vishaan Chakrabarti, a partner at SHoP Architects, which designed the tower. He says the planned tower would be clad with bronze-and-white terra-cotta stripes, so the building "sparkles during the day and has a soft glow at night."

It remains unclear whether the venture has obtained financing, a crucial element for any development, especially at a time that many banks are still reluctant to make loans for condo projects. A spokesman for JDS declined to comment on the financing, but said the developer hopes to break ground early next year.


In addition to its height, the building is notable for being so thin. Its lot is just 43-feet wide, according to city records, and many of the floors would be 4,000 to 5,000 square feet in size, Mr. Chakrabarti says.

The building is slated to include many full-floor apartments with views all around. "There will be moments in these apartments where you can see Midtown to the south and Central Park to the north," he says.

If built, the tower would be by far the most notable development by Mr. Stern, 34 years old, a relative newcomer to New York City real estate. He's best known for converting the Walker Tower in Chelsea to condos, along with Property Markets Group. Mr. Stern has since made multiple other acquisitions, and he's planning a pair of flashy apartment towers on Manhattan's East Side.

Mr. Stern and Property Markets Group are planning to convert the Steinway Building into an apartment building and transfer its development rights. The new tower must get approval from the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission because it's next door to the Steinway building site, which is a city landmark.

Last week, the landmarks committee of the neighborhood community board voted to give a nonbinding endorsement of the plan. The full community board is set to take up the issue this week.

Zapatan Sep 9, 2013 3:36 AM

Insane... 43 feet thin and 1350 feet high.


tyleraf Sep 9, 2013 3:49 AM

WOW! New York is on fire. These towers keep getting taller!

JayPro Sep 9, 2013 4:08 AM

We need to see as many renders from as many perspectives, angles and distances as the firm of record can pump out. And they need to be crystal clear.

I mean my God in Heaven......just when you think....Nah, don't think. Thank the Landmarks Commission for their nonbinding okay, which should be formalized in the committee of the whole by the end of the week.....and let the details of this in-fucking-credible monument to skyscraper engineering technology unfurl.

Perklol Sep 9, 2013 4:47 AM

It looks amazing so far.


chris08876 Sep 9, 2013 7:37 AM

Its like 432 Park Ave went on a diet. This is incredible and a testament to engineering. Bravo!!!! :cheers:

nyc_alex Sep 9, 2013 1:35 PM

This is amazing news! Both the height and design have exceeded my expectations. Makes up for what looks like a potential disappointment to the west at 225 W 57th.

Onn Sep 9, 2013 1:52 PM

A bigger picture has arrived! :D


Sara Polsky
Curbed New York
September 9th, 2013

A bit of fancy air rights action added extra feet to 107 West 57th Street, a proposed tower from JDS Development Group and Property Markets Group. The change in size led to some other alterations. Instead of the super-skinny, Cetra/Ruddy-designed building originally planned for the spot, the developers are now hoping to build a tower designed by SHoP, the same architects behind two JDS Development buildings in First Avenue's mud pit (as well as many other projects. The Journal revealed the rendering, also shown above. The building will have a number of setbacks to its 1,350-foot height, with a bronze and terra cotta facade that "sparkles during the day and has a soft glow at night," in the words of SHoP's Vishaan Chakrabarti. The building's lot is 43 feet wide, which is unusually narrow for a project of this scale.

StoOgE Sep 9, 2013 3:04 PM


Just.. Wow.

reencharles Sep 9, 2013 3:11 PM

WOOOOOWWW.... 1350 FT / 411 meters? Insane! The design looks good. It will be interesting to see it from other angles.

Onn Sep 9, 2013 3:45 PM

1.) Someone needs to create a diagram of this to put on the NYC diagram. 2.) A mod needs to change the height for the tower in the thread. 3.) The picture of the building at the top also needs a refresh.

Submariner Sep 9, 2013 3:51 PM

I'd worry that because it's so tall and thin, the building would be susceptible to significant sway from wind.

Busy Bee Sep 9, 2013 4:11 PM

I know everyone seems to have goo goo eyes for this, it just doesn't work for me. These smoke stack towers along with 432 Park just seem TOO thin - so much so they no longer exude a proportional elegance.

I would be blown away by this tower if it straddled Steinway Hall and incorporated its facade in its base and gave us a tower in the range of 100-120 feet wide. I just don't think these pencil towers will make the skyline "more beautiful." More awkward maybe.

antinimby Sep 9, 2013 5:56 PM

I think we have to keep an open mind on what tall buildings should look like in the 21st century.

We've all grown up on seeing what a typical tower should be. Maybe tall pencil thin towers are what the future will be. Remember, the human population is growing but the land area is not. Eventually, we will have to build up everywhere.

Most people don't pay attention to buildings in the city, but this tower will definitely grab people's attention. It might even be an attraction all in itself.

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