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SAN Man Mar 10, 2022 2:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IrvineNative (Post 9560335)
Why are incomes in SD so low? Is it just because SD is very tourism dependent? What about tech jobs, are you paid less in SD vs in LA?

I think even our hospitality and tourism jobs pay less hourly here than in LA and SF because we have a large pool of laborers that can commute in from Mexico. The first trolley line was built to shuttle in those workers from the border to downtown. The close proximity to Mexico drags our median incomes down compared to other California cities.

IrvineNative Mar 10, 2022 2:54 PM

Downtown Office Has No Parking Minimums?
 
We all know that San Diego scrapped parking minimums for all multifamily residential and most dining establishments in transit priority areas.

But apparently they removed parking minimums for office?

See p. 25 and p. 37. Zero minimum parking requirements for office and retail in transit priority areas! https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...orgAA4NfThSbOX

This is great news! No wonder why RaDD is 1.6 M sq ft office space but has a suspiciously low parking stall count of 1,367, less than 1 space per 1K sq ft! (Source: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...bog5jmar_4DJdg)

The bad news: office TPA parking maximums are still high, at 6 or so spaces per 1K sq ft. Compare this with Downtown Seattle, where the parking MAX is 1 spot per 1K sq ft office!

More good news: SDSU Mission Valley will not only have no parking mins for any residential, classroom, labs, or offices, there'll be parking maxes of 1.25 per residential unit and 3.25 per 1K sq ft office/classroom/lab, and all parking (including for offices) will be unbundled, and most if not all the parking will be underground.

SDSU Mission Valley is the perfect TOD storm. Most cities around the US would kill to have a TOD like it. But SANDAG needs to increase Green Line frequencies to 7.5 minutes, because 15 minute frequencies are far too inconvenient for short trolley trips around Mission Valley and for anyone transferring from a bus to the Green Line.

TimeToBuild Mar 10, 2022 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 9561432)
Is 7th/Market (Ritz Carlton hotel project) dead?

I can’t believe that prime site is STILL a surface parking lot.

At what point can new plans be worked on? This is turning into another Manchester disaster. That prime bay front land rotted for years and years while Manchester sat on it with his lofty plans, then when he finally started his big development he couldn’t even finish it.

On their website, it lists 2025 as the completion date for the project. Their public comments the last few years on the project have aligned with that. Cisterra is currently putting up the Radian and can imagine they are betting on that along with other recent/future developments making the area more desirable than it is now. Not to mention timing a return of significant conference/convention/business travel

mello Mar 10, 2022 7:54 PM

7th/Market
 
San Man: I disagree this location is in the Gaslamp. Downtown SD blocks are super short so people staying at that Ritz Carlton are a super short walk to the section of Gaslamp with the most amenities. Convention Center and Ballpark are also a very quick walk. If the office project at Horton Plaza becomes a hub it is fairly close to that. The RADD LABS area will probably be a quick Uber ride away.

Cisterra is supposed to have financing so who knows why we aren't seeing shovels in the ground:shrug:

homebucket Mar 10, 2022 8:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 9562978)
San Man: I disagree this location is in the Gaslamp. Downtown SD blocks are super short so people staying at that Ritz Carlton are a super short walk to the section of Gaslamp with the most amenities. Convention Center and Ballpark are also a very quick walk. If the office project at Horton Plaza becomes a hub it is fairly close to that. The RADD LABS area will probably be a quick Uber ride away.

Cisterra is supposed to have financing so who knows why we aren't seeing shovels in the ground:shrug:

Doesn't the Gaslamp border run along 6th Ave? So the Ritz would only technically be a block away, less than 300 ft. It's also under a 5 min walk to Petco Park.

Maybe there are better locations? I'm not too familiar with DTSD, but it's certainly not a bad location by any means.

SAN Man Mar 10, 2022 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 9562978)
San Man: I disagree this location is in the Gaslamp. Downtown SD blocks are super short so people staying at that Ritz Carlton are a super short walk to the section of Gaslamp with the most amenities. Convention Center and Ballpark are also a very quick walk. If the office project at Horton Plaza becomes a hub it is fairly close to that. The RADD LABS area will probably be a quick Uber ride away.

Cisterra is supposed to have financing so who knows why we aren't seeing shovels in the ground:shrug:

I see what you're saying and I don't disagree. My post was relating on the standpoint of a Ritz guest.

It's close to the Gaslamp, but not as close as the Pendry or Hard Rock, or even the Palomar on the upper end of the Gaslamp. The Gaslamp is kind of like The Strip. Being on the Strip is a gamechanger compared to being close to the Strip, even though our blocks are tiny, guests want to be able to walk out and be part of something.

I would guess that Ritz guests and clientele would prefer to stay on 6th along Balboa Park than on mid-Market St in downtown.

SAN Man Mar 10, 2022 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9563021)
Doesn't the Gaslamp border run along 6th Ave? So the Ritz would only technically be a block away, less than 300 ft. It's also under a 5 min walk to Petco Park.

Maybe there are better locations? I'm not too familiar with DTSD, but it's certainly not a bad location by any means.

"The Gaslamp" runs along 5th ave, some of the "Gaslamp" bars and nightlife spills out on 4th and 6th. Along 6th, the old Omnia has now been reinvested as NOVA and should attract big name DJs, but the epicenter is still along 5th.

Streamliner Mar 11, 2022 10:37 PM

I was downtown last night (Thursday) and Little Italy was booming with street life. I've never seen it so busy. I drove through Gaslamp as well, and it wasn't nearly as bustling.

SDCAL Mar 12, 2022 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TimeToBuild (Post 9562937)
On their website, it lists 2025 as the completion date for the project. Their public comments the last few years on the project have aligned with that. Cisterra is currently putting up the Radian and can imagine they are betting on that along with other recent/future developments making the area more desirable than it is now. Not to mention timing a return of significant conference/convention/business travel

Which website are you referring to?

The Cisterra website says full entitlements expected to break ground in 2020 with a 2023 completion:

https://www.cisterra.com/7thandmarket

SDCAL Mar 12, 2022 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SAN Man (Post 9562508)
I have always thought that that's a strange place to have a luxurious brand like the Ritz Carlton.
Waterfront - nope.
Gaslamp - nope.
Fronting a large city park - nope.
Near the convention center - nope.
Near the core of office towers and courts - nope.
Busy, street with busses - yep.
Homeless, street people presence - yep.

I would scrap the Ritz and replace it with something that will work right away. A mixed use, apartments, maybe a smaller boutique hotel with ground floor retail.

I don’t disagree, I would have though SD’s first large 5 star downtown hotel would be on the bay, but I’m guessing they did market research that shows that location would be profitable. I’m just tired of that spot being an eyesore. It’s been literally like 20 years that spot has had plans that never happen. Before the Ritz proposal there was some other large project proposed that ended with some scandal with city officials (I don’t remember the exact details, but it was discussed on this forum like 10 or more years ago)

TimeToBuild Mar 12, 2022 1:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 9564512)
Which website are you referring to?

The Cisterra website says full entitlements expected to break ground in 2020 with a 2023 completion:

https://www.cisterra.com/7thandmarket

Projected Completion: 2025

Location: Downtown San Diego

Project Type: Mixed-Use

Size: 785,000 SF

LEED Rating: Gold

Architect: Carrier Johnson + CULTURE

Contractor: Suffolk

copy and pasted from the website its in bold on the left hand side of the linked page you posted

TimeToBuild Mar 12, 2022 2:25 AM

https://images1.loopnet.com/d2/f-J66...M%20draft7.pdf

Speaking of 7th & Market did you all catch the plans for the project across the street?

Luxe 702

roletand Mar 12, 2022 8:01 PM

Toll Brothers Milano/The Lindley
 
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Originally Posted by roletand (Post 9502761)
The site at 445 West Ash has covered walkways in place on Ash and A Streets as of today. More significant construction fencing on the other sides.

https://i.imgur.com/Rlffjn2.jpeg

The building at 445 West Ash is now rubble and all the trees are cleared from the lot. Hopefully they break ground soon!

JSW Mar 14, 2022 4:02 AM

Simone / Union & Ash, 407ft
 
Speaking of Ash... Simone is still growing like a weed. This one is in my neck of the woods so I'm particularly interested in seeing the area fill out, and after doing some analysis on the progress, it's very clear it's going to stand out a lot once finished. My composite below should be fairly accurate in terms of height since I used a similar location and angle as the render. Definitely a big crane jump along the way at some point.


https://i.imgur.com/N6NX266.jpeg

roletand Mar 15, 2022 3:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JSW (Post 9566048)
Speakof Ash... Simone is still growing like a weed. This one is in my neck of the woods so I'm particularly interested in seeing the area fill out, and after doing some analysis on the progress, it's very clear it's going to stand out a lot once finished. My composite below should be fairly accurate in terms of height since I used a similar location and angle as the render. Definitely a big crane jump along the way at some point.

I had a feeling Simone was going to be tall, but that composite really shows it compared to neighboring buildings. Thanks!

Construction is moving along non-stop on that one. The last article I read targeted late 2023 for completion/opening.

SAN Man Mar 18, 2022 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JSW (Post 9566048)
Speaking of Ash... Simone is still growing like a weed. This one is in my neck of the woods so I'm particularly interested in seeing the area fill out, and after doing some analysis on the progress, it's very clear it's going to stand out a lot once finished. My composite below should be fairly accurate in terms of height since I used a similar location and angle as the render. Definitely a big crane jump along the way at some point.


https://i.imgur.com/N6NX266.jpeg

Nice rendering! That one is going up fast and is adding nice height to the area. Speaking of height, how many tower cranes are currently up in downtown?

10?

IrvineNative Mar 18, 2022 7:03 PM

Speaking of tower cranes I saw a tower crane on Google Streetview on Morena Blvd and I thought, how nice! Finally breaking that 30 foot height limit with some density, eh? But nope. Closer scrutiny revealed that they used a tower crane to build a dwarfish three story building. Why bother with a tower crane for three stories?

JSW Mar 18, 2022 7:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SAN Man (Post 9571032)
Speaking of height, how many tower cranes are currently up in downtown?

10?

Off the top of my head, we have:

Simone
RaDD cluster (not sure how many are actully UC)
Diega's next door brother
Broadway Tower 2
Courthouse Commons
The one on G with the preserved facade that will have a Target

IrvineNative Mar 18, 2022 10:09 PM

Hazard Center Drive Extension is speculated to open in a few months. Apparently the extension is required to open before 473 housing units can be built on Hazard Center.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...PWMkfC4yMQfQxO

aekrid Mar 19, 2022 12:54 AM

Stopped by my office today. Savoring the view of balboa park before the next crane jump.

https://imgur.com/B0BaR2R.jpg


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