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NYguy Jan 14, 2011 2:50 AM

NEW YORK | Tryon Center (Broadway & 190th St) | FT | 42, 39, 33, 23 FLOORS

Four Proposed Skyscrapers in WaHi Could Alter City's Skyline

By Carla Zanoni
January 12, 2010


WASHINGTON HEIGHTS — The Upper Manhattan skyline could get a dramatic makeover under a new proposal to add four skyscrapers to Washington Heights, which would dwarf existing buildings in the area.

Quadriad Realty Partners, a private New York-based real estate developer with developments in Queens and Brooklyn, is in the preliminary stages of planning four new mixed-use buildings on Broadway, near 190th Street, in Washington Heights.

The developer — who mistakenly calls the proposed location "Inwood" on its website — describes the project on their website as a mixture of affordable housing for middle class New Yorkers, along with space for retail and parking.

The high-rises would stand between 23 and 42 stories in height, which while shorter than many Midtown skyscrapers, is significantly taller than most existing buildings in Washington Heights. The average building in the neighborhood stands six stories tall, locals said during a Community Board committee meeting in the fall.

The proposed construction site at 190th Street and Broadway is also located near the highest geographical point in Manhattan, giving any skyscraper built there additional heft in the city skyline.

The proposed plan is similar to two projects in Astoria, Queens, and Williamsburg, Brooklyn, which have moved forward despite some concerns voiced by residents about placing the massive developments in architecturally low-lying areas.

Quadriad aims to build housing for "the vast bulk of the city's civil service, police personnel...successive waves of immigrants, and new graduates and young workers," according to their website.

One of the group’s proposed mixed-use developments would include 198 units of affordable housing and 454 units of apartments at standard market rates, according to Ebenezer Smith, district manager for CB12.

That version will require an approved Uniform Land Use Review procedure application, commonly known as ULURP, from the Department of City Planning in order to receive a zoning modification necessary for the development.

Community Board 12 will get a chance to weigh in on that application after Quadriad makes a formal presentation and participates in a community public hearing, Smith said.

In the case it does not get approval for zoning variances through the ULURP process, Quadriad has also planned an alternative project for development that would include no affordable housing and only 216 standard rate apartments.

The developer says on its website that the development will be built without the use of city funds, but does not elaborate on where the funding will come from.

Quadriad did not respond to calls for comment.

Depending on which plan they move forward with, Quadriad's development might also include the renovation of the 191st Street 1 train station entrance, a complicated station that includes a three-block-long pedestrian tunnel from Broadway to the train and a long elevator ride up from the 180-foot-below subway station.

The preliminary plan also includes the beautification of nearby Gorman Park and the development of new green spaces within the complex and immediate area, reported the Manhattan Times.

The next step for Quadriad will be to present its plan to the Department of City Planning.

NYguy Jan 14, 2011 2:53 AM

Images taken from the website...

babybackribs2314 Jan 14, 2011 3:11 AM

This project would be an excellent addition to the neighborhood. Already rapidly gentrifying, but Washington Heights/Inwood could be truly thriving if it saw some additional vertical expansion. It's the last area of Manhattan besides Harlem proper that's still somewhat affordable for the middle class, so it would be great to put additional housing in. Hopefully this project is the start of greater development overall in the neighborhood, as continued gentrification in the Heights will also push more people into Harlem.

I wonder how this addition would change the skyline, though? I'd guess that given the elevation of the area the tallest building would top out at 650-700' above sea level, which would give it a rather prominent position.

NYguy Jan 14, 2011 3:23 AM


Originally Posted by babybackribs2314 (Post 5125325)
This project would be an excellent addition to the neighborhood. Already rapidly gentrifying...

Hopefully this project is the start of greater development overall in the neighborhood, as continued gentrification in the Heights will also push more people into Harlem.

You speak as if "gentrification" alone would be the magic bullet to "save" these neighborhoods. While new development - especially housing - is always welcome, the preference would be housing for the people that already live in these crowded neighborhoods.


: the process of renewal and rebuilding accompanying the influx of middle-class or affluent people into deteriorating areas that often displaces poorer residents

There's no shortage of housing for the "affluent".

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jan 14, 2011 3:51 AM

this is awesome!!!! :notacrook:

Nowhereman1280 Jan 14, 2011 4:35 AM

Did someone use Google Sketchup to generate this models?

Looks cool though!

NYguy Jan 15, 2011 2:25 PM

That's just the concept of what they would like to do, but it looks like a little Vegas coming to Washington Heights...:D


RobertWalpole Jan 15, 2011 2:29 PM

This is a bad idea.

Washington Heights has very beautiful old buildings. It does not need new tall glass buildings.

NYguy Jan 15, 2011 2:58 PM


Originally Posted by RobertWalpole (Post 5127008)
This is a bad idea.

Washington Heights has very beautiful old buildings. It does not need new tall glass buildings.

A few wouldn't hurt. A touh of modern with the old. Columbia University also has plans for modern buildings in northern Manhattan.

A look at some local flavor...

UrbanImpact Jan 15, 2011 4:31 PM

Isn't this the hilly area of Manhattan? I don't know how I feel because this is the one area that I haven't explored.

sterlippo1 Jan 15, 2011 5:05 PM


Originally Posted by UrbanImpact (Post 5127093)
Isn't this the hilly area of Manhattan? I don't know how I feel because this is the one area that I haven't explored.

yes, and you must.......walk Riverside Park on the way and you'll also find out who's buried in Grant's tomb;) then have a bite to eat at Dinosaur BBQ and walk thru Fairway Market:tup: :)

Lecom Jan 15, 2011 7:59 PM

That part of Manhattan is awesome. ^You're right, those who haven't been to Grant's tomb are really missing out on one of New York's best hidden architectural treasures. The inside is just... you have to see it for yourself. Columbia campus is beautiful, and the view that opens from the cliff onto Harlem and the rest of the city is breathtaking.

RobertWalpole Jan 15, 2011 8:49 PM


Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5127029)
A few wouldn't hurt. A touh of modern with the old. Columbia University also has plans for modern buildings in northern Manhattan.

But I don't think that Columbia's buildings will be tall.

NYguy Jan 16, 2011 2:20 PM


Originally Posted by RobertWalpole (Post 5127316)
But I don't think that Columbia's buildings will be tall.

They will be tall and "modern" enough to stand out. Cities like Paris and London have lots of beautiful, old architecture. And yet they are able to put up modern buildings. At some point, the future becomes the present, and you have to live in the present no matter how much you cling to the past. That applies to cities as much as it applies to people. The area won't become overrun with tall buidings because zoning simply does not allow it. In fact, the vast majority of New York City is "downzoned", even for buildings as high as 10 stories.

NYguy Jan 26, 2011 8:35 PM

Developer Gets Serious About New Washington Heights Towers

Wednesday, January 26, 2011, by Joey Arak


We didn't take developer Quadriad Realty Partners' proposal to build four apartment towers way taller than anything else Washington Heights has seen too seriously, but the company president's pit stop at the Manhattan Times has us starting to believe. If not in the four-tower plan (which would include 454 market-rate apartments and 198 reserved for affordable housing), then in Quadriad's alternate two-tower idea, which would result in 22-story and 28-story buildings staring each other down across Broadway at 190th Street.

Developers have tried to build big in the upper reaches of Manhattan before, so what makes this situation different? This time around, the suits say they have the money to get it done.

And they would much rather have four buildings than two.

Quadriad says they have the financing in place to proceed with either plan, but they want the supersized four-tower plan. The company hopes that the promise of affordable housing and a rehabilitated Gorman Park will entice officials into granting the zoning variances needed for the Quariad quadruplets, but it might be an uphill climb.

The affordable housing would still price out most locals, because it would be for households earning 60 percent to 180 percent of the city's median income, and WaHI household incomes tend to be lower. The twin tower plan would be all market-rate housing, and here's how that version (in orange) stacks up to the foursome. The site has good subway access, but can Washington Heights handle 450 fancy new apartments?

More details on skyscraper project emerge

Tuesday, January 25, 2011
by Mike Fitelson and Gloria Pazmiño


Quadriad Realty, a developer with projects in Astoria, Williamsburg, and Long Island City, met with the leadership of the Manhattan Times last week to discuss its plans to build either two or four residential towers on Broadway and Fairview Avenue to the east and W. 190th Street to the west.

Quadriad president Henry Wollman explained his interest in pursuing one of two options, either of which would dramatically transform Northern Manhattan’s skyline.

The first, which Wollman says can be built as-of-right, meaning without triggering zoning changes and special city permits, would result in towers on both sides of Broadway, 28 stories on the east and 22 stories on the west under one rendering.

Under the other “New Strategy” plan, the one Quadriad prefers, the project would result in four towers, all of which could exceed 33 floors (which is taller than the Bridge Tower Apartments on W. 189th Street). Two of the towers would be over 42 stories.

Even at 22 stories, the towers would be taller than the residential buildings that are now perched atop the Wadsworth Terrace ridge and would invade a skyscape that has long been crowned by the Cloisters atop Ft. Tryon Park.

In either case, the project would displace several vacant storefronts, a laundromat, community arts center, and Serie 56 nightclub on the east side of Broadway. Ortiz Funeral Home on the west side of Broadway would be incorporated into the development.

The “New Strategy” plan is preferable, Wollman said during his visit, because it would provide the economies of scale to build 454 units that could be sold or rented at market rate and 198 units of “affordable” housing, which Quadriad defines as households earning 60 percent to 180 percent of the city’s median income. That would still price out most Northern Manhattanites, whose median income was about $30,000 in 2000. The as-of-right option would not include any affordable housing.

For Quadriad, the aim is to provide middle income housing opportunities, a segment of the population that is usually overlooked.

Additionally, the “New Strategy” would not require public funding – Wollman says he has the financing required to build either project – only variances from existing zoning. Part of the “New Strategy” project would be to rehabilitate Gorman Park, incorporating the green space into the towers’ plaza, and the 1-train entrance. Both plans include about 37,500 square feet of retail space and several hundred parking spaces.

Wollman said Quadriad is currently negotiating for site acquisition.

The location is ideal, he said, because it is conveniently located near mass transportation and has sites that are at least 40,000 square feet. Quadriad is working on plans for another eight or so projects around the city.

The first inkling of the project was unveiled by Quadriad during the Jan. 5 Community Board 12 Land Use Committee meeting.

According to one person in attendance at the meeting, the committee respectfully listened to the developer’s matter-of-fact presentation, the first of many Wollman plans to make to the advisory board. Several of the 20 or so public attendees objected to how the western tower would abut their building on Bennett Avenue, shutting out light and views.

The next CB12 Land Use Committee meeting is Feb. 9, but as of press time Quadriad was not officially on the agenda.

In addition to the Manhattan Times and CB12's Land Use Committee, so far Quadriad representatives have met with the office of City Council Member Robert Jackson and reached out to Council Member Ydanis Rodriguez.

Jackson’s community liaison Juan Rosa who met with Wollman said the chief concern was that the project would not fit in with the character of the neighborhood and that the units would be unaffordable for most local families.

Noting a stalled development project that would have put One Bennett Park, a luxury high rise, a few blocks away on W. 183rd Street until funding fell through, Rosa also raised a concern about financing.

“We’ve seen a lot of developers come to the neighborhood and say they have money but don't and leave a hole in the ground,” he added.

NYguy Apr 8, 2011 1:33 PM

Developer of Proposed WaHi Skyscrapers Meets Community Board
CB12 members met with officials from Quadriad Realty Partners to further discuss plans for its skyscrapers in WaHi.

Quadriad's Tryon Center would include two "as-of-right" towers or four skyscrapers, as high as 42-stories, which would include zoning approval from the city.

April 7, 2011
By Carla Zanoni


A developer looking to build skyscrapers in Upper Manhattan met with a Community Board 12 committee Wednesday night to present its latest proposal.

Quadriad Realty Partners returned to the CB12 Land Use committee to continue a discussion regarding the group's plan to build a high-rise complex tentatively christened the "Tryon Center," located on Broadway near 190th Street. At between 23 and 42 stories tall, the buildings would be significantly taller than most existing buildings in Washington Heights.

The developer has proposed two development schemes.

The first one, dubbed the "New Strategy," would include four skyscrapers between 33 and 42 stories with 400 market rate and 200 "middle-income affordable housing" units, which would serve families of four that make between $40,000 to $100,000.

The second proposal, which the developer says can be built under as-of-right city zoning regulations, would not include any affordable housing and instead only offer market rate homes in a 28-story building on the east side of Broadway at 190th Street, and in a 22-story building on the west side of the street.

Both plans would include retail space and approximately 500 to 550 parking spaces, according to Quadriad president and CEO Henry Wollman, who also stressed that the project would not require public funding.

The time frame for either project is 24 months of construction, which would begin in late 2012 with a planned opening in 2014.

Quadriad responded Wednesday to questions submitted by members of the CB12 committee, which focused on the height of the buildings. The committee wanted a design that more closely matched the current architectural makeup of the surrounding Washington Heights area.

But Quadriad officials argued that alternative plans based on historic structures would "result in inferior housing and non-financeable-projects."

"Housing built to these past standards is not financially feasible, could not be financed or developed, and cannot be considered responsibly as a model with which to proceed with discussion," said Wollman.

Wollman also stressed that the proposed new design would bring much needed affordable housing to the community.

"In terms of losing neighborhood character," he said. "We would like to take into context the 200 units of affordable housing that would be built here that could not be built otherwise."

Many members of the community clamored for a more robust discussion of community concerns around the project, including environmental impact, strain on the local transportation system and the actual "affordability" of the affordable housing proposed.

Wayne Benjamin, chair of the land use committee, assured residents that CB12 is committed to continuing the conversation with Quadriad and will soon hold another meeting for community residents to get more answers on those issues. Benjamin also said the board's Health and Environment and Housing and Human Services would soon hold another community meeting on the subject.

Antares41 Apr 8, 2011 8:29 PM

Strange location for this development. Count me as being ambivalent. I like the area as it is with all the brick and motar buildings, yet, new development would do wonders for the area. Just not sure if this is the right type. I am familiar with the area and it is indeed hilly. From the illustration it appears that the smaller buildings will be at higher elevation than the taller buildings so the disparity in heights will be reduced, especially from a distance.

NYguy Apr 8, 2011 9:12 PM


Originally Posted by Antares41 (Post 5234052)
I like the area as it is with all the brick and motar buildings, yet, new development would do wonders for the area. Just not sure if this is the right type.

That's fine. Taken from a page of the NIMBYism bible...;)

Who needs new, modern housing anyway, with it's shiny glass and floor to ceiling views?

tommaso Jun 12, 2011 9:02 AM

This will be an incredible breakthrough for Wash Heights! What's the latest news here?

NYguy Oct 6, 2011 1:54 AM

CB12 Rejects Plan to Build Washington Heights Skyscrapers

September 28, 2011
By Carla Zanoni


Community Board 12 members unanimously voted to approve a resolution that lists 12 areas of concern for the Department of City Planning to consider while it reviews an application for a group of skyscrapers.

In the document, the board calls on Quadriad to reduce the overall density and height of the development; create more family-sized units with at least 50 percent of them two-bedrooms or larger; use Washington Heights and Inwood household income data to determine affordable housing rental rates; and change the plan so that at least 50 percent of the project is made up of affordable housing units.

Quadriad officials argued that if they are unable to reach consensus with the community, the developer will move ahead with an as-of-right plan for the building, which will include no affordable housing units.

Next up, the Department of City Planning will review the board’s recommendations and begin the Uniform Land Use Review Process (ULURP). Once City Planning certifies a copy of the plan, the next step in that process is that the community board will have 60 days to weigh in with a final opinion on the project application before it goes to the Manhattan Borough President, City Planning and finally City Council for approval.

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