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Dominion301 Mar 30, 2022 8:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9583170)
I think TUS could be successful if it were flown from bigger markets like YYC, YWG, YYZ and even YHM/YKF. I think that would promote a substantial amount of USA visitors.

Are they trying to make Windsor an alternative to Detroit? I don't think Americans have the brain cells to trip plan like that (no offence).

I also really can't get my head around Fort Mac and Lethbridge... that's absolutely wild.

I highly doubt we'll see flair touch YHM after the swoop fiasco.

People going to/from Detroit have historically used YQG a fair bit - as in 15-20% of YQG's traffic. As someone with family in Detroit, I have done so many times as YQG is often much cheaper than DTW for transborder. However, it's almost exclusively to fly domestically in Canada. On the flip side, Windsor-Essex has access to a global hub when flying within the USA or internationally.

BUT, you'd be nuts to double cross the border just to fly between Detroit and TUS.

Clearly like Deer Lake did, TUS are throwing a bunch of $ Flair's way. It's just that the choices beyond YEG are so obscure. I get that for 4/5 of the destinations, it'll be their city's only sun route, but still this is something you do after 10 years of proven ops and can afford to absorb losses should the dart board not succeed - see Ryanair for case in point.

nname Mar 30, 2022 8:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 9582570)
https://storage.googleapis.com/flyfl...612d622e1a.pdf

I know Flair is all over the map but these have to be some of the most obscure routes of all time.

F8 is essentially opening a new base at TUS. YEG is needed so they can rotate aircraft with Canadian base (the aircraft will spend 5 days a week at TUS, and 2 days at YEG). Maybe there will be more routes added from other bases later on.

As for the destination... I guess that's how subsidy can do for you, maybe someone will be paying for all the empty seats?

So for now, TUS will be base "20" for F8... all routes from TUS bases will be 20xx. Guess what are the skipped flight numbers are for...?

Code:

F8 2016        TUS - YXS
F8 2017        YXS - TUS
F8 2018        TUS - YEG
F8 2019        YEG - TUS
F8 2022        TUS - YMM
F8 2023        YMM - TUS
F8 2027        TUS - YQL
F8 2028        YQL - TUS
F8 2054        YQG - TUS
F8 2055        TUS - YQG


kwoldtimer Mar 30, 2022 8:56 PM

The K-W Récord is reporting that the Canadian Transportation Agency has issued a preliminary ruling that Flair may not meet the legal definition of “Canadian”.

Dominion301 Mar 30, 2022 9:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9584146)
F8 is essentially opening a new base at TUS. YEG is needed so they can rotate aircraft with Canadian base (the aircraft will spend 5 days a week at TUS, and 2 days at YEG). Maybe there will be more routes added from other bases later on.

As for the destination... I guess that's how subsidy can do for you, maybe someone will be paying for all the empty seats?

So for now, TUS will be base "20" for F8... all routes from TUS bases will be 20xx. Guess what are the skipped flight numbers are for...?

Code:

F8 2016        TUS - YXS
F8 2017        YXS - TUS
F8 2018        TUS - YEG
F8 2019        YEG - TUS
F8 2022        TUS - YMM
F8 2023        YMM - TUS
F8 2027        TUS - YQL
F8 2028        YQL - TUS
F8 2054        YQG - TUS
F8 2055        TUS - YQG


I'm going to guess for the likes of a weekly to YQT, YBR, YKA, YZF, YYB, YSB, YAM, YCD, YKA, YXH, YQB and YFC...maybe YKF too. :runaway:

bigbrain.airliner Mar 31, 2022 7:02 PM

Flair is superior
 
Daddy flair airlines is the best and will buy out westjet and air canada and will control north america

JakeLRS Mar 31, 2022 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9584146)

So for now, TUS will be base "20" for F8... all routes from TUS bases will be 20xx. Guess what are the skipped flight numbers are for...?

A YYZ-TUS flight could prove to be successful, especially if there are people in TUS wanting to visit Canada's biggest city. YKF, definitely on the table.

Flair is growing getting 8 new frames this summer, and they gotta go somewhere next winter.

I really hope flair attempts to add YHM in some form

hehehe Mar 31, 2022 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9585564)
A YYZ-TUS flight could prove to be successful, especially if there are people in TUS wanting to visit Canada's biggest city. YKF, definitely on the table.

Flair is growing getting 8 new frames this summer, and they gotta go somewhere next winter.

I really hope flair attempts to add YHM in some form

YYZ or YYC seem like the best bets for a successful TUS flight. Even if the other flights fail I wouldn't be too surprised to see YEG-TUS stay.

hollywoodcory Apr 1, 2022 12:38 AM

WS teasing an apparent new destination being announced tomorrow but given tomorrow is April Fool’s is it even legit? lol.

https://twitter.com/westjet/status/1...AKFanZgQZie7AA

hehehe Apr 1, 2022 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9585688)
WS teasing an apparent new destination being announced tomorrow but given tomorrow is April Fool’s is it even legit? lol.

https://twitter.com/westjet/status/1...AKFanZgQZie7AA

Has WS ever teased a new destination like this, with a pretzel gif?

casper Apr 1, 2022 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9585690)
Has WS ever teased a new destination like this, with a pretzel gif?

I would assume pretzel means Germany. However they are showing real pretzels, they showing those dry little pretzels handed out as airplane snack food. So who knows.

Service to Berlin would be cool. But I suspect I will be disappointed.

TheGreatestX Apr 1, 2022 5:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9585688)
WS teasing an apparent new destination being announced tomorrow but given tomorrow is April Fool’s is it even legit? lol.

https://twitter.com/westjet/status/1...AKFanZgQZie7AA

The pretzels are floating. I'm assuming they're announcing flights to space.

Djeffery Apr 1, 2022 10:15 AM

Of course it will be an April Fools joke, they are legends at it there.

MountainView Apr 1, 2022 1:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 9585874)
Of course it will be an April Fools joke, they are legends at it there.

WestJet-X!

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/who-we-are/space

The best are the reviews where a Flat Eather gives it 1/5 stars and says "very disappointed" :haha:

jamincan Apr 1, 2022 2:14 PM

When did Westjet add the maple leaf to their logo and tails?

hehehe Apr 1, 2022 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jamincan (Post 9585997)
When did Westjet add the maple leaf to their logo and tails?

It's been at least a few years now for the maple leaf on their logo but the one that they have now was revealed in 2018 I believe (new WS livery coinciding with the 787 deliveries)

thenoflyzone Apr 3, 2022 12:32 PM

Air Canada Investor Day 2022 presentation on March 30th. Some interesting pages in there.

https://aircanada.investorroom.com/d...+FINAL-web.pdf

Page 33. Number of dom/intl/transborder destinations served at each of the 4 hubs, and TATL hub ranking.

Page 34. Potential new destinations (some of these on the A321XLR). Hard to make out, but you can see YVR-SIN, YYZ-IST/ARN/LOS/DSS/BLR, YUL-TLS, YHZ-FRA. Some others that aren't too visible as well.

Page 37. A321XLR potential destinations. YUL-DSS, YYZ-ARN/BER/PRG, YHZ-FRA, among the most interesting. Nothing out of the west coast, except for domestic runs and YVR-EWR.

Page 38. Map of the fastest growing US markets AC wants to focus on, including SEA, SFO, DEN, MIA, AUS, BNA.

Page 39. Map of all the 6th freedom opportunities out of YYZ/YUL from the US to Transatlantic.

A lot of other insightful information in there.

Enjoy.

q12 Apr 3, 2022 1:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9587503)
Air Canada Investor Day 2022 presentation on March 30th. Some interesting pages in there.

Page 37. A321XLR potential destinations. YUL-DSS, YYZ-ARN/BER/PRG, YHZ-FRA, among the most interesting. Nothing out of the west coast, except for domestic runs.

https://i.postimg.cc/qRr9rjLJ/AC.png

thenoflyzone Apr 3, 2022 1:31 PM

YOW-LHR doesn't seem to be on that map. Tells me AC is in no hurry to resume LHR or FRA from there. Sucks for Ottawans.

thewave46 Apr 3, 2022 1:33 PM

The XLR is definitely a Eastern Canada to Western Europe special.

Maybe when AC gets a little more confident with its legs, it will be deployed to Western Canada during the summer as the winds westbound are less an issue.

I'd be curious about what redeployment of AC's widebody aircraft this will precipitate.

q12 Apr 3, 2022 1:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9587503)
Page 34. Potential new destinations (some of these on the A321XLR). Hard to make out, but you can see YVR-SIN, YYZ-IST/ARN/LOS/DSS/BLR, YUL-TLS, YHZ-FRA. Some others that aren't too visible as well.

https://i.postimg.cc/xCTqCyjQ/ac2.png


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