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wave46 Aug 27, 2019 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Chemist (Post 8670773)
But make no mistake, the federal government is going to roll over and give Air Canada exactly what it wants like they always do. :rolleyes:

Less competition is a good thing! Especially when everybody's making money hand-over-fist. Or something like that.

I have some serious reservations about this deal, especially for those in Quebec. It effectively gives Air Canada a monopoly on many routes from there and turns YUL into almost a complete Air Canada fortress hub.

Truenorth00 Aug 28, 2019 3:07 AM

I wish it was WestJet that bought Transat. That would have made competition more even. Not so with AC buying them.

craneSpotter Aug 28, 2019 4:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 8670980)
I wish it was WestJet that bought Transat. That would have made competition more even. Not so with AC buying them.

Perhaps.. but don't forget that WestJet is currently going through the process of getting bought out themselves (by Toronto based Onex). Good timing by AC - very shrewd move. Great timing by Onex too, as the 737 Max issues reduced WestJet's selling price by over 10%!

Truenorth00 Aug 28, 2019 4:14 AM

I believe WestJet was approached before AC and turned them down.

hollywoodcory Aug 28, 2019 12:14 PM

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019...ulouse-Service

AC adding year-round service to TLS. 5x Weekly, starting June 4, 2020 on A333.

thenoflyzone Aug 28, 2019 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8671168)
https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019...ulouse-Service

AC adding year-round service to TLS. 5x Weekly, starting June 4, 2020 on A333.

Great add, and straight to mainline to top it off. Linking Airbus and Airbus Canada HQ’s, plus serving the healthy O&D on the market. A no brainer for AC.

Within a matter of weeks, AC adds non stop from YUL to Boeing HQ and Airbus HQ, solidifying YUL’s position as an aerospace hub.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Chemist (Post 8670773)
But make no mistake, the federal government is going to roll over and give Air Canada exactly what it wants like they always do. :rolleyes:

If by that you mean the government will approve the deal without putting any restrictions on it, then you are wrong.

AC will be asked to concede something at both YYZ and YUL. Be it routes, slots, gates, I don’t know. But definately something.This will be enforced by the government before the deal is approved. Anything else would be characterized as gross negligence on behalf of the government.

SignalHillHiker Aug 28, 2019 5:01 PM

Feds and Province are preserving and opening to the public Gander's old International Lounge, christened by Queen Elizabeth and "the finest modernist space in Canada."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...ions-1.5262617

esquire Aug 28, 2019 6:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 8671585)
Feds and Province are preserving and opening to the public Gander's old International Lounge, christened by Queen Elizabeth and "the finest modernist space in Canada."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...ions-1.5262617

Thank goodness, that place is a treasure. I have never been to Gander but I would love to go see it in person.

Airboy Aug 30, 2019 4:20 PM

Iqaluit-Ottawa and Edmonton-Yellowknife see increased service.

More connections as well. Timing will allow you to travel to any Baffin region community the same day out of Ottawa via Iqaluit.

Same basic for Edmonton /Yellowknife and daily service to Cambridge Bay. Will be interesting to see if there is a drop in frequency or more to keep the seat numbers similar.

Only issue will be the weather holds.

Still need to see flights out of Winnipeg to Rankin and the Kivallak region.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...dule-1.5265641

Nicko999 Sep 3, 2019 1:33 AM

Apparently there will be a big investment ($110M?) announcement for Mirabel tomorrow.

Quote:

Transport Minister Marc Garneau kicks off his post-Labour Day itinerary with a Tuesday morning trek to the Mirabel airport to make what his office is billing as an “important” funding reveal, while elsewhere in the province, Social Development Minister Jean-Yves Duclos drops by a Quebec City shelter with an update on the implementation of a joint federal-provincial anti-homelessness program.
https://ipolitics.ca/2019/09/02/what...2019-campaign/

Maybe this will make Mirabel as the 3rd busiest cargo airport in the country.

Airports by freight 2018

1. YYZ: 481,154.8 tonnes
2. YVR: 321,318.1 tonnes
3. YUL: 119,386.1 tonnes
4. YHM: 105,691.7 tonnes
5. YMX: 88,668.0 tonnes
6. YYC: 86,204.1 tonnes

Djeffery Sep 3, 2019 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicko999 (Post 8675877)
Apparently there will be a big investment ($110M?) announcement for Mirabel tomorrow.


https://ipolitics.ca/2019/09/02/what...2019-campaign/

Maybe this will make Mirabel as the 3rd busiest cargo airport in the country.

Airports by freight 2018

1. YYZ: 481,154.8 tonnes
2. YVR: 321,318.1 tonnes
3. YUL: 119,386.1 tonnes
4. YHM: 105,691.7 tonnes
5. YMX: 88,668.0 tonnes
6. YYC: 86,204.1 tonnes

I'm going to toss out an Amazon-related Cargojet announcement. Just a guess though.

Denscity Sep 3, 2019 10:28 PM

CP 24 confirms it is cargo related at Mirabel.
Just saw the headline don't know the details.

Djeffery Sep 4, 2019 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 8676596)
CP 24 confirms it is cargo related at Mirabel.
Just saw the headline don't know the details.

Approx 200,000 sq ft of new warehouse, new airplane ramp space and some local road infrastructure work. Don't know if the new space is spoken for, or if any of the cargo companies in the old hangars are moving (or where the new space actually will be for that matter lol)

nname Sep 4, 2019 9:18 AM

Some notable AC Changes that are not (yet) announced:

AC 376 YMM-YYZ cancelled, now the route is down to 1x daily year-round

AC 766 SJC-YYZ, already announced, but this is actually done by moving one of the daily SFO to SJC, AC 752 cancelled.

AC 810 YUL-ALG now move back to Rouge

AC 886 YYZ-BRU, up to 5x weekly 788 starting May 1st, YUL-BRU will also change from 333 to 788. This flight operates at pretty much the exact same time as SN's flight, not sure if AC is just taking over the route.

Domestic Rouge flight number changes from AC 19xx to 16xx.

p_xavier Sep 4, 2019 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8676990)
Some notable AC Changes that are not (yet) announced:

AC 376 YMM-YYZ cancelled, now the route is down to 1x daily year-round

AC 766 SJC-YYZ, already announced, but this is actually done by moving one of the daily SFO to SJC, AC 752 cancelled.

AC 810 YUL-ALG now move back to Rouge

AC 886 YYZ-BRU, up to 5x weekly 788 starting May 1st, YUL-BRU will also change from 333 to 788. This flight operates at pretty much the exact same time as SN's flight, not sure if AC is just taking over the route.

Domestic Rouge flight number changes from AC 19xx to 16xx.

Probably? https://press.brusselsairlines.com/b...treal-in-2020#

whywhyzee Sep 4, 2019 1:48 PM

YYZ goes from 3 of 4LH group carriers down to only one in the span of a year. Doesn't look good at all.

wave46 Sep 4, 2019 1:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whywhyzee (Post 8677107)
YYZ goes from 3 of 4LH group carriers down to only one in the span of a year. Doesn't look good at all.

I imagine it looks much better from the perspective of Lufthansa Group though.

Pushing everybody through Frankfurt and Munich on Lufthansa probably helps profitability there.

thenoflyzone Sep 4, 2019 1:58 PM

SN is following what OS did. Terminating YYZ, starting YUL.

They will launch BRU-YUL, 5x weekly, on top of the existing AC service. AC will start it’s own YYZ-BRU, as nname said.

YUL is on fire, yet another new international carrier, plus its a bonus when you steal it from YYZ...;)

It was always weird that a Belgian airline was serving YYZ and not YUL. Seems like SN has now also realized this.

https://press.brusselsairlines.com/b...ntreal-in-2020

whywhyzee Sep 4, 2019 3:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 8677109)
I imagine it looks much better from the perspective of Lufthansa Group though.

Pushing everybody through Frankfurt and Munich on Lufthansa probably helps profitability there.


AC and LH don't really compete though, they are part of the A++ metal neutral JV, so it doesn't particularly matter who serves the route. That's why every time we have seen a LH group carrier move, AC fills their place.

rbt Sep 4, 2019 4:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whywhyzee (Post 8677231)
AC and LH don't really compete though

Yeah, "don't really compete" isn't strong enough.

They're effectively the same company for anything trans-atlantic with several different brands under that umbrella.


Those Joint-Ventures are basically mergers without requiring approval from various governments to form a multi-national airline.


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