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bmfarley Jun 18, 2015 12:52 PM

How long have the Chargers been talking about stadium issues? Correct me, but I think we are talking about 10 or more years.

In my opinion, something conclusive should have occurred much sooner than now. And, the Chargers have already expended a lot of patients.

spoonman Jun 18, 2015 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bmfarley (Post 7066728)
How long have the Chargers been talking about stadium issues? Correct me, but I think we are talking about 10 or more years.

In my opinion, something conclusive should have occurred much sooner than now. And, the Chargers have already expended a lot of patients.

Whoa! BM Farley... a longtime former... haven't heard from you here in ages. :cheers:

dales5050 Jun 18, 2015 6:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 7066601)
I agree with this. I believe Todd Gloria, city councilman, was advocating making the threshold for these ballot initiatives higher but not sure if it's going anywhere. As it is, any major decision the city makes gets overturned by special interests who can afford to pay liars to collect signatures. Whether it's Barrio Logan, 1 Paseo, even the minimum wage increase, it seems like any time the city makes a major decision it gets derailed. If the city were to proceed with a new stadium without a vote, I can guarantee you a group would soon be out getting signatures to force it on the ballot.

I think both both sides of this have faults.

Having lived in NYS, where government is run by 3 guys in a back room (who are paid for by either corporations or unions), the idea that a group of people can bypass that and get something on a ballot is pretty darn welcoming.

travis bickle Jun 18, 2015 8:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 7064642)
below is information from the San Diego Eater regarding the proposed grocer in the 7th and Market Development:

From: http://sandiego.eater.com


The tipline is buzzing about a potential new Whole Foods Market that might land in the East Village as part of a mixed-use project that has been proposed for the downtown block at Seventh and Market Street bordered by Eighth and Island Avenues.

Jason Wood, a principal at Cisterra Development, told Eater that Whole Foods Market is indeed attached to their proposal for the site, which would also include a Ritz Carlton and two restaurants linked to the hotel, plus new apartments and office space. It's not yet clear if the grocer would be opening a traditional Whole Foods in the space or one of its new, lower-priced 365 by Whole Foods outlets. Whole Foods Market could not confirm the expansion, but said it will be announcing new store sites during a quarterly earnings call scheduled for July.

Had dinner with the lead engineer on this last night. He confirmed its a Whole Foods.

spoonman Jun 18, 2015 9:58 PM

Does anyone know if Cisterra was selected to develop 7th and Market, or are they still in contention to win the development project?

Bertrice Jun 18, 2015 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 7067571)
Does anyone know if Cisterra was selected to develop 7th and Market, or are they still in contention to win the development project?

found this
http://www.sandiegoh.com/2015/06/17/...8San+DiegOh%29

Bertrice Jun 19, 2015 12:20 AM

This gondola is actually being looked at

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH0HvJNUcAEPZyi.jpg

http://www.sandag.org/index.asp?meet...eetings.detail

bmfarley Jun 19, 2015 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 7066938)
Whoa! BM Farley... a longtime former... haven't heard from you here in ages. :cheers:

Wow, someone noticed! Yes, life took my time to other matters. In a good way. But, always have enjoyed visiting this board.

SDCAL Jun 19, 2015 3:07 AM

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Originally Posted by travis bickle (Post 7067421)
Had dinner with the lead engineer on this last night. He confirmed its a Whole Foods.

Nice :). Did they by any chance say anything about a timeline? I know it's probably quite a ways off but curious if there are any tentative dates.

SDCAL Jun 19, 2015 3:10 AM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 7067571)
Does anyone know if Cisterra was selected to develop 7th and Market, or are they still in contention to win the development project?

I assume they did because the other two developers who were part of the bidding don't have anything on their web sites. But Civic SD and they city are being really quiet about this, and I'm not sure why. I would have thought one or the other would have made an announcement about the winner so I'm kind of perplexed.

Streamliner Jun 19, 2015 7:39 PM

Not development related, but I saw this picture on the Union-Tribune website and thought it was worth sharing. A cool view showing the weathervane of the California Tower looking toward downtown:

http://media.utsandiego.com/img/phot...2435a7128f8cdd

Source page Photo by Eduardo Contreras

bobbyv Jun 19, 2015 10:18 PM

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/def...?itok=Z7vvbBzw
What's your thoughts on the new logo Mello?

Bertrice Jun 19, 2015 10:22 PM

Re-Brand

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Ite...52618a_lg.jpeg

bobbyv Jun 19, 2015 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bertrice (Post 7068872)

LOL, pretty cool, had never seen that before.

Nerv Jun 19, 2015 10:43 PM

I was kind of thinking they try something like the California Chargers or even Southern California Chargers. There's little doubt to me that the Rams and Raiders will use the "Los Angeles" title.


If the Spanos family does keep this team and doesn't sell it after the Los Angeles move I can see them trying to one up the other team (s) by expanding their fanbase since both the Rams and Raiders will be the cities favorites over the Chargers.

dtell04 Jun 20, 2015 4:24 PM

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2015/0...oming-clearer/

Here's an outside SD point of view for the LA stadium races. I have been trying to read more into the Oakland and St. Louis stadium battles. Oakland might have a real shot at a new stadium up there and St. Louis seems to be fizzling out.

embora Jun 20, 2015 7:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dtell04 (Post 7069452)
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2015/0...oming-clearer/

Here's an outside SD point of view for the LA stadium races. I have been trying to read more into the Oakland and St. Louis stadium battles. Oakland might have a real shot at a new stadium up there and St. Louis seems to be fizzling out.

Very interesting article. Thank you DTELL04.

So with that article suggesting the Rams are going to L.A., and that the Raiders are the next most likely to move if they don't get funding by Monday, that would suggest that the Chargers stay in San Diego in 2016. But with the article in the Voice of San Diego suggesting 66% of San Diegans are against spending public money on a stadium, VoSD suggested that the Chargers could look at St. Louis or San Antonio, later on. Like the sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the San Diego Chargers. :grumpycat:

mello Jun 20, 2015 11:02 PM

Sorry you guys are naive to think Chargers are going to LA and the above article confirms that. The only place they might end up going is San Antonio in a few years if nothing ever gets done here. Rams are returning to LA and you never hear speculation about the Chargers being the one joining them in The Wood it is always Raiders. The whole Carson sham was just a way to put mega pressure on SD City/County and it worked.

I also think Spanos is vying for some kind of "market compensation" for teams moving back to LA so he needs to make his LA proposal look serious. He wants to try and milk 200 million or so out of this deal for his "hardship" of having 2 teams come in to what he tries to claim is his market. I can see him getting a nice chunk of the Raiders/Rams relocation fee and walking away with 150 to 250 million from this.

The spoils of the jewel that is the LA market were always going to go to Kroenke or some mega rich owner who paid atleast 700 million for their franchis i.e. a fairly recent purchase. Why would Spanos be rewarded when he is a nobody who bought the team 30 years ago for 70 million. Kroenke paid close to 850 for his 100% stake in the Rams so it is only logical an owner who helped make these franchises worth so much would get to reap the bennies of LA not cheapo Spanos.

SDfan Jun 20, 2015 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 7069719)
The only place they might end up going is San Antonio in a few years if nothing ever gets done here.

I don't know about SA. A year or so ago the SA city council, or some authority in that area flirted with the idea of having an NFL team, and the owners of the Dallas Cowboys promptly told them to shut up. Texas (outside Houston) is Cowboys country, and they hold more leverage in the league than any other franchise. SA would need to get Dallas' approval, and that doesn't seem likely, or mount a very strong campaign to overcome their opposition.

JoninATX Jun 21, 2015 4:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SDfan (Post 7069743)
I don't know about SA. A year or so ago the SA city council, or some authority in that area flirted with the idea of having an NFL team, and the owners of the Dallas Cowboys promptly told them to shut up. Texas (outside Houston) is Cowboys country, and they hold more leverage in the league than any other franchise. SA would need to get Dallas' approval, and that doesn't seem likely, or mount a very strong campaign to overcome their opposition.

The Cowboys are big around Texas, since it's the most popular team in the state. But do know San Antonio can hold a NFL on it's own. Jerry Jones is whining because if an NFL team ever lands in SA, he'll lose profit.


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