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Denscity Jun 2, 2021 2:42 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9298490)
I don't know. Either way, it's not true, so doesn't really matter.

Nothing has prevented WS from serving YCG, especially in the last 3 years, now that the Saab 340s are part of their gameplan. it's the perfect plane for YCG. A 30-34 seater.

Yup I'd jump on that plane no problem. Especially to Kelowna or even Calgary since AC hasn't reinstated that flight yet.

Denscity Jun 3, 2021 4:29 AM

Looks like Air Canada is reinstating its flight from Castlegar to Calgary mid September some time so great news!

And Central Mountain Air to Vancouver bumps up to daily June 28th the same day Air Canada brings back its flight to Vancouver.

Dominion301 Jun 3, 2021 6:49 PM

AC paid $10 million in senior executive bonuses while simultaneously begging the federal government for bailout $: https://queenscitizen.ca/2021/06/02/...to-air-canada/

Thoughts on the optics?

hollywoodcory Jun 3, 2021 7:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9300904)
AC paid $10 million in senior executive bonuses while simultaneously begging the federal government for bailout $: https://queenscitizen.ca/2021/06/02/...to-air-canada/

Thoughts on the optics?

Bad. Awful.

1. They laid off thousands of front line employees
2. Asked (begged) for government aid
3. Withheld refunds for customers

There is no way they can spin this positively.

hollywoodcory Jun 3, 2021 7:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 9298970)
Seems like Canada request the same access and frequency for Canada-China flights, so the following changes had been made:

So theoretically Canada still have 2 unused frequency, so I wonder if it will be used? Maybe YUL-PVG or YVR/YYZ-PEK? Or they'll will make an exemption and allow WS to fly to China?

WS was apparently granted approval to operate cargo flights to China last year, and did attempt to gain access to pax flights. I think their issue was the quarantine rules for crew. AC gets around this with a stop in ICN, but WS doesn't have that luxury without adding a second Asian destination making it less desirable.

thewave46 Jun 3, 2021 7:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9300904)
AC paid $10 million in senior executive bonuses while simultaneously begging the federal government for bailout $: https://queenscitizen.ca/2021/06/02/...to-air-canada/

Thoughts on the optics?

It's not quite Dr. Dao's removal from United bad, but it's classic Air Canada tone-deaf from the bad days of the AC/Canadian merger.

Of course they'll get away with it because it's not like there's tons of choice in this country right now.

Dominion301 Jun 3, 2021 7:16 PM

Bombardier land a 1/2 billion contract with the US Air Force: https://queenscitizen.ca/2021/06/03/...llion-dollars/

The also sold 20 Challenger 350s 3 weeks ago to US company Airshare (in French): https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2021/05/...challenger-350

thenoflyzone Jun 3, 2021 7:36 PM

That's one segment of BBD aerospace - well, the only segment left now - that is doing good.

whatnext Jun 3, 2021 8:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9300904)
AC paid $10 million in senior executive bonuses while simultaneously begging the federal government for bailout $: https://queenscitizen.ca/2021/06/02/...to-air-canada/

Thoughts on the optics?

I wonder what bonuses they gave their front line employees who were constantly exposed to Covid and/or passengers irate over Covid rules?

Coldrsx Jun 3, 2021 8:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9300904)
AC paid $10 million in senior executive bonuses while simultaneously begging the federal government for bailout $: https://queenscitizen.ca/2021/06/02/...to-air-canada/

Thoughts on the optics?

It will be forgotten about in but a few news cycles if not already.

Djeffery Jun 3, 2021 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9300951)
Bombardier land a 1/2 billion contract with the US Air Force: https://queenscitizen.ca/2021/06/03/...llion-dollars/

What's with that Queens Citizen website? From that article. Some kind of translation?

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Global flights converge in Toronto. Copies intended for American troops are to be modified at the Baptist Bombardier E-11A baptism plant at Wichita, Kansas. The interior and exterior painting of the aircraft will be carried out at the company facilities in Tucson, Arizona.

The first device of this agreement will enter service by the end of the year. It replaces the E-11A that crashed in Afghanistan in January 2020 following an engine failure that killed four people.

From 2007 to 2013, Bombardier sent four global aircraft to U.S. forces, including the wreckage.

“The United States Air Force is proud to have re-elected Bombardier,” said Michelle Oulette, vice president of special operations at Bombardier.

“Our US-based employees are honored to put their skills to work on this high-level project,” he added.

Dominion301 Jun 4, 2021 3:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 9301226)
What's with that Queens Citizen website? From that article. Some kind of translation?

Definitely not “the Queen’s English”. :D

FlyYOW Jun 4, 2021 1:57 PM

I’ll drop this here. Interesting read.

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EUROCONTROL Think Paper #11 – Plane and train: Getting the balance right
https://www.eurocontrol.int/publicat...-balance-right

thenoflyzone Jun 5, 2021 6:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ac888yow (Post 9301686)
I’ll drop this here. Interesting read.



https://www.eurocontrol.int/publicat...-balance-right

1000km by rail, over flying? Yeah right.

Not in North America, not even in 2050.

CityTech Jun 5, 2021 2:16 PM

If we invest in good trains I don't see why not.

FlyYOW Jun 5, 2021 2:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9302504)
1000km by rail, over flying? Yeah right.

Not in North America, not even in 2050.

Likely not even in Europe.

nname Jun 6, 2021 7:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9300932)
WS was apparently granted approval to operate cargo flights to China last year, and did attempt to gain access to pax flights. I think their issue was the quarantine rules for crew. AC gets around this with a stop in ICN, but WS doesn't have that luxury without adding a second Asian destination making it less desirable.

Seems like AC will have the last 2 weekly.

AC wanted to fly to PEK, but the Chinese authority does not allow them (hence both direct flight into PEK from CA and HU were cancelled as a result). Then AC is trying to add YUL-ICN-PVG, but slot at PVG is currently very hard to get and AC (along with UA) already have the most out of any other airlines. AC is currently allowed to fly into any other city that's not PEK and PVG.

casper Jun 6, 2021 7:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9300932)
WS was apparently granted approval to operate cargo flights to China last year, and did attempt to gain access to pax flights. I think their issue was the quarantine rules for crew. AC gets around this with a stop in ICN, but WS doesn't have that luxury without adding a second Asian destination making it less desirable.

Given ICN is a skyteam hub you would expect WS would find that attractive being able to have some onward codeshare connections. Also given the competition (AC) is also flying via ICN a one-stop operation is competitive in the market.

hollywoodcory Jun 6, 2021 8:02 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9303389)
Given ICN is a skyteam hub you would expect WS would find that attractive being able to have some onward codeshare connections. Also given the competition (AC) is also flying via ICN a one-stop operation is competitive in the market.

I think they were also offered undesirable slots at PVG, and possibly only short-term slots similar to the LHR ones they obtained? I mean if WS really wanted to serve China of course they could have launched something like YYC-ICN-PVG.

Truenorth00 Jun 6, 2021 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9302504)
1000km by rail, over flying? Yeah right.

Not in North America, not even in 2050.

1000 km? No. ≤600 km? Sure. A lot of the TOM triangle flights, Corridor feeders into Pearson and CalEd corridor flights could and should be eliminated.


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