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hollywoodcory Apr 11, 2021 7:40 PM

Looks like Lufthansa is eyeing a possible YYC return in 2022. They have filed and opened for booking 5x weekly service from March 27th.

LH472 FRA 11:35 - 13:40 YYC 333 24567
LH473 YYC 15:25 - 09:00+1 FRA 333 24567

Last year, they announced 4x weekly service via Eurowings. As this is almost a full year away changes are highly likely.

casper Apr 12, 2021 12:08 AM

One more trip in history. Canadian Pacific DC-6 flying Vancouver to Tokyo. In the late 1950s.

Video Link

Denscity Apr 12, 2021 12:37 AM

YCG got 3 grants recently and the third one at over $700 000 will pay for new runway lighting.
Our runway has never been lit end to end.

thenoflyzone Apr 12, 2021 1:16 AM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9245228)
Neat video of what flying on Air Canada use to be like back in the 1960s.

Nice find ! :cheers:

Runway 28 departure at YUL no less.

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9245415)
One more trip in history. Canadian Pacific DC-6 flying Vancouver to Tokyo. In the late 1950s.

Some funny commentary by the journalist in this one....

"were up about 2,000ft now, so I guess we can dispense with this safety belt !"

"4600 miles ! Gee that's some hop. I never realised the pacific was that large !"

Dominion301 Apr 12, 2021 3:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9245228)
Neat video of what flying on Air Canada use to be like back in the 1960s.

Video Link

That was amazing video looking into a different era.

Dominion301 Apr 12, 2021 3:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9245236)
Looks like Lufthansa is eyeing a possible YYC return in 2022. They have filed and opened for booking 5x weekly service from March 27th.

LH472 FRA 11:35 - 13:40 YYC 333 24567
LH473 YYC 15:25 - 09:00+1 FRA 333 24567

Last year, they announced 4x weekly service via Eurowings. As this is almost a full year away changes are highly likely.

Hopefully that means YOW-FRA on LH will also happen in summer 2022. It’s too soon to tell as YOW-FRA’s season normally starts in mid-May and LH’s schedule only looks 360 days ahead.

Coldrsx Apr 12, 2021 9:12 PM

Ottawa has reached a deal with AC to provide a pool of funds for refunds.

'in the form of loans'

hollywoodcory Apr 12, 2021 9:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9246341)
Ottawa has reached a deal with AC to provide a pool of funds for refunds.

'in the form of loans'

Was just coming to post this. Also hearing AC has begun issuing recalls too.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...JhTABZNNjg19G4

Nothing yet for WS though.

thenoflyzone Apr 12, 2021 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9246350)

Nothing yet for WS though.

Maybe had they announced carbon zero by 2050 like AC did, they would have gotten the announcement today as well.

hollywoodcory Apr 12, 2021 10:42 PM

^Sounds like WS wants a plan, which is probably why they aren't included. Ed Sims also mentioned in his video that they weren't after a bailout but a plan to restart travel. They may agree to small loan to get refunds out quicker and possibly to cover regional routes.

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Sources told CBC News at the time that WestJet had been pushing the federal government during negotiations to prioritize coming up with a plan to safely restart air travel.
On another note, it looks like AC has loaded YYZ-YMM & YOW-YYJ, probably to counter the additions WS announced last week.

YYCguys Apr 12, 2021 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9246341)
Ottawa has reached a deal with AC to provide a pool of funds for refunds.

'in the form of loans'

So the taxpayers are helping to pay for this fund in order to get their own refunds back! :???: Interesting tactic from the feds!

thenoflyzone Apr 13, 2021 12:54 AM

It was a matter of time. The government couldn't keep delaying the inevitable. We were the only G7 country with no sector specific bailout.

AC gets $5.9 billion

- $500 million in shares, at $23.18 per share.
- $4 billion is made available through four credit facilities, with varying terms and interest rates.
- Another $1.4 billion in credit facility will be used to reimburse canceled airline tickets.
- With this deal, AC has an obligation to maintain a level of employment not lower than that of April 1, 2021 and is committed to re-establishing regional links.
- Air Canada has also accepted restrictions with regard to dividends, share buybacks and the compensation of its senior executives.

And let's not forget the whole net carbon zero kerfuffle by 2050.

I would have liked to see AC recommit to the 12 canceled CSeries aircraft as well, but alas, it doesn't seem like that will be the case. At least with this deal, they have to commit to take the rest of the firm orders (33 in total).

I expect proportionally similar agreements will be announced with WS and TS in the coming days/weeks.

casper Apr 13, 2021 1:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 9246474)
So the taxpayers are helping to pay for this fund in order to get their own refunds back! :???: Interesting tactic from the feds!

The feds are giving them a loan (I assume with interest) so they pay back consumers.

Dominion301 Apr 13, 2021 1:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9246429)
^Sounds like WS wants a plan, which is probably why they aren't included. Ed Sims also mentioned in his video that they weren't after a bailout but a plan to restart travel. They may agree to small loan to get refunds out quicker and possibly to cover regional routes.



On another note, it looks like AC has loaded YYZ-YMM & YOW-YYJ, probably to counter the additions WS announced last week.

Yeah and YOW-YYJ is also Sat only to counter WS' day 6 only ops.

Where was all this pre-COVID when O&D traffic on the route was north of 50,000 pax per annum?

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9246547)
It was a matter of time. The government couldn't keep delaying the inevitable. We were the only G7 country with no sector specific bailout.

AC gets $5.9 billion

- $500 million in shares, at $23.18 per share.
- $4 billion is made available through four credit facilities, with varying terms and interest rates.
- Another $1.4 billion in credit facility will be used to reimburse canceled airline tickets.
- With this deal, AC has an obligation to maintain a level of employment not lower than that of April 1, 2021 and is committed to re-establishing regional links.
- Air Canada has also accepted restrictions with regard to dividends, share buybacks and the compensation of its senior executives.

And let's not forget the whole net carbon zero kerfuffle by 2050.

I would have liked to see AC recommit to the 12 canceled CSeries aircraft as well, but alas, it doesn't seem like that will be the case. At least with this deal, they have to commit to take the rest of the firm orders (33 in total).

I expect proportionally similar agreements will be announced with WS and TS in the coming days/weeks.

Trust me this package was in the works for a long time. It was not going to be a one-sided deal.

thenoflyzone Apr 13, 2021 1:15 AM

^ That much has been clear for a few months now. And Confirmed today.

Dominion301 Apr 13, 2021 1:19 AM

Porter push restart date back to June 21st. This time that's only 3 weeks, so maybe it'll be the last time.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...897870097.html

hollywoodcory Apr 13, 2021 1:21 AM

WS statement:

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/news/2...ter%3A20210413

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Unlike in the US, where the aid package required airlines to recall previously laid off employees, this one doesn't and only protects employees on staff after April 1. Seems kind of odd, given they're going to be living off the government's dime anyways.

Dominion301 Apr 13, 2021 1:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9246576)
WS statement:

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/news/2...ter%3A20210413

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Unlike in the US, where the aid package required airlines to recall previously laid off employees, this one doesn't and only protects employees on staff after April 1. Seems kind of odd, given they're going to be living off the government's dime anyways.

I'm sure WS and others will be offered the same terms...hope their CEO can live off 'just' $1 million a year. Just like with the remote air service agreements, they've been announced 1 province/territory at a time.

LO 044 Apr 13, 2021 4:45 AM

This is the biggest waste of money spent by the Liberal government to date and that's saying a lot. These loans will be "forgiven" in time. They should have just given the money to laid off employees to get retrained at other jobs. Of course there had to be a Quebec cherry on top with the "commitment" to take the 220 jets.

YYZ-LHR will make money regardless if it's BA or AC. European bail out money has nothing to do with these routes. BA will not lower their pricing to predatory pricing levels to eliminate AC competition. Stop comparing airlines bailout money to AC's situation. The government shouldn't be able to pick and choose who to support otherwise why didn't they offer Greyhound tons of money to keep routes going?

But let's face it it's easy to give out money you don't have and that's what this federal government has done relative to many of the industrialized nations in the world. And we're something like number 62 in amount of vaccinations received. Expect an election soon. I mean who doesn't love the uncle that gives you money for doing nothing right?

Chadillaccc Apr 13, 2021 5:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 9245435)
YCG got 3 grants recently and the third one at over $700 000 will pay for new runway lighting.
Our runway has never been lit end to end.

Possibly because it's an airport for a town of 8000 people? Feel lucky your runway is even paved, Banff at 9000 people has a grass landing strip :haha:

Also, because of the terrain negating straight-on approaches, the Castelgar airport is only certified for daytime ops. Very little need for an expensive lighting system. Though, of course it wouldn't hurt.


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