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esquire Sep 6, 2018 4:35 PM

^ In that future concept, it looks like the gates will be a mile away from the airport entrance!

TorontoDrew Sep 6, 2018 4:41 PM

I hope nobody minds I pushed it over to this page, it got flipped right away. The future render also shows the massive parking lot will be removed. I do like the idea of pedestrian walkways over planes.


YYZ 1969
Source: https://static.torontopubliclibrary.ca
https://static.torontopubliclibrary....a_0003245f.jpg


YYZ Current and growing
Source: https://airwaysmag.com
https://airwaysmag.com/wp-content/up...6/10/yvr25.jpg

YYZ Future
source: https://apex.aero
https://apex.aero/wp-content/uploads...2393469782.jpg

DrNest Sep 6, 2018 4:44 PM

The orientation of the future image is messed up. The 409 highway just disappears into the park? And there's going to be gates on the current landside of the terminal? I doubt it.

That being said, the new transport hub and additional piers on T1 will be most welcome.

I've flown out of Gatwick several times, they have a pedestrian bridge over one of the taxiways. It's impressive to watch aircraft taxi underneath you.

TorontoDrew Sep 6, 2018 4:51 PM

I would presume those hwy lanes enter into a new underground parking lot.

ghYHZ Sep 6, 2018 5:44 PM

Look at those Vanguards and Viscounts in that '69 shot above. Beautiful!

TorontoDrew Sep 6, 2018 6:02 PM

It was an effective design at the time but man was the interior showing it's age before it was torn down.

hipster duck Sep 6, 2018 6:38 PM

^The old T1 was also not expandable. Even if they would have built tentacular extensions out from the original circle, there was still the matter of a very cramped concourse and, more crucially, the access to the terminal itself.

It's hard to find a picture, but the dropoff and pickup for arrivals and departures were via a very tightly configured set of roadways located entirely within the confines of the terminal circle (directly below the parking garage). This was also where the ramps to the parking garage were located. My memories of using T1 are as a small child, and kind of hazy, but I remember returning to YYZ from visiting relatives and waiting a long time to get into the parking shuttle with my parents because there was such a jam of cars trying to pick and drop off passengers within such a small space.

Access to/from the terminal was also difficult to expand, since it was all threaded through a single narrow roadway that went below the apron itself:

https://tayloronhistory.files.wordpr...8&h=365&zoom=2
Source

TorontoDrew Sep 6, 2018 7:19 PM

Ya I vaguely remember the pick up and drop off ramps, and going to the roof with my dad to watch planes take of and land.

thenoflyzone Sep 10, 2018 1:52 PM

By the looks of it, Aer Lingus could be announcing YUL-DUB in the coming days/weeks. July 2019 start.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...ions-1.3585382

Coldrsx Sep 10, 2018 11:41 PM

'Edmonton International Airport (EIA) is having another strong year, posting 6.2 per cent passenger growth to the end of July 2018. This robust growth follows a solid 2017, with 7.8 million passengers and a 3.8 per cent increase in passenger numbers.'

http://flyeia.com/news/eia-winter-20...rvice-update-2

LeftCoaster Sep 10, 2018 11:42 PM

July stats are out for YVR, another strong result, though weakness in transborder brought the total growth down a bit, as pure international growth is 11.2%:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie (Post 8309430)
http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/docume...site.pdf?la=en

Another stellar month across the board solid growth in all categories

Total up 7.4% up 180,000
Domestic up 7.1% 82,000
International up 7.6% up 98,000

Transborder up 3.8%
Asia Pacific up 7.3%
Europe up 13.7%
Misc Int’l up 37.5%

YTD hit 15,000,000 up 8.8% and up over 1.2 million

Excellent cargo stats too up 8.0% YTD up 10.8%


LeftCoaster Sep 10, 2018 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 8309769)
'Edmonton International Airport (EIA) is having another strong year, posting 6.2 per cent passenger growth to the end of July 2018. This robust growth follows a solid 2017, with 7.8 million passengers and a 3.8 per cent increase in passenger numbers.'

http://flyeia.com/news/eia-winter-20...rvice-update-2

Great news about the growth, fantastic to see good growth returning to EIA, but there's one really weird stat in the news release that doesn't make sense:

Quote:

EIA will operate 694 flights to Europe in 2018
That's nearly 2 flights per day every day of the year. Given that Icelandair didn't operate for nearly 3 months this winter, KLM goes to 2-3 flights per week, and Westjet only runs for 8 weeks in the summer I don't see how that number is even remotely possible. Am I just totally blanking and missing a flight or did EIA mess this number up.

LeftCoaster Sep 11, 2018 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 8309790)
That's nearly 2 flights per day every day of the year. Given that Icelandair didn't operate for nearly 3 months this winter, KLM goes to 2-3 flights per week, and Westjet only runs for 8 weeks in the summer I don't see how that number is even remotely possible. Am I just totally blanking and missing a flight or did EIA mess this number up.

Nevermind, when they say "to Europe", I think they are counting to AND from.

My bad.

Well kinda their bad, that is terribly worded.

Gresto Sep 11, 2018 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew (Post 8305746)
Ya I vaguely remember the pick up and drop off ramps, and going to the roof with my dad to watch planes take of and land.

The old T1 may have been antiquated, small, and a bit ratty by the time of its dying days, but I always liked the way one drove underground and up onto the garage ramp or arrival/departure points, and I have vividly positive memories of watching planes landing and taking off with my dad. I miss it.

thenoflyzone Sep 12, 2018 11:57 AM

Confirmed: Aer Lingus launching DUB-YUL August 9 with A321LR. Daily service during the summer, 4x weekly during the winter.

https://www.aerlingus.com/plan-and-b...eals-montreal/

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest...oute-expansion

They are also launching MSP with B757.

Edit: Added schedule as per airlineroute.net

EI099 DUB1850 – 2050YUL 321 D
EI098 YUL2220 – 0940+1DUB 321 D

Configuration of the A321neo is J16Y168.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...routes-in-s19/

yyzer Sep 12, 2018 12:34 PM

and Primera is adding MAD-YYZ to their growing list of YYZ flights...

Madrid – Toronto eff 16AUG19 4 weekly
PF3329 MAD1825 – 2215YYZ 7M9 x246
PF3330 YYZ2245 – 1210+1MAD 7M9 x246

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...adrid-in-3q19/

Weird for Primera and Aer Lingus both to be adding transatlantic flights in August... seems a bit late to capture the summer travel season....

kwoldtimer Sep 12, 2018 12:49 PM

Would Primera be comparable to Air Transat?

thenoflyzone Sep 12, 2018 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yyzer (Post 8311700)

Weird for Primera and Aer Lingus both to be adding transatlantic flights in August... seems a bit late to capture the summer travel season....

Could have something to do with new aircraft deliveries.

Primera gets their Max 9 next year. Same thing with Aer Lingues with the A321LR (Q2/2019). They seem to be both playing it safe and making sure they have these frames before commiting for June or July starts.

Once summer 2019 gets closer and the new frames start coming in, they might both advance the start dates of those routes, if bookings look solid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 8311718)
Would Primera be comparable to Air Transat?

Pretty much, yes. They are both leisure airlines and have similar seating configs in their B737s and A321s.

connect2source Sep 12, 2018 2:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghYHZ (Post 8305624)
Look at those Vanguards and Viscounts in that '69 shot above. Beautiful!

Fantastic pic but far earlier than 1969. First off, no jets, second, all planes are wearing the Trans Canada Airlines livery 5 years after the name and livery change to Air Canada, third, no jet-bridges installed. I would guess pic is probably 1963-64

thenoflyzone Sep 12, 2018 10:06 PM

So with Norwegian, Primera and now Aer Lingus joining the frey at YUL, here is the tally of all foreign carriers at Canada's top 8 busiest airports for next summer.

(US mainline carriers and their respective feeder airlines counted as 1. Ex. DL mainline and DL connection counted as 1 airline.)

YYZ 41
YVR 30
YUL 28
YYC 10
YEG 6
YOW 3
YWG 2
YHZ 5

Number of countries these foreign airlines serve.

YYZ 33
YVR 16
YUL 19
YYC 6
YEG 3
YOW 1
YWG 1
YHZ 4


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