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YVR's growth has been below average for the better part of the last decade, enabling YUL and YYC to catch up ! Only these last 2 years have we seen an above average growth rate at YVR. Even the Olympics back in 2010 had nil effect on passenger count. As far as I'm concerned, YVR should have pierced 20 million at least 5 years ago. Glad to see they are finally catching up. Let's see if YVR will be able to keep up the pace, the same way YYC and YUL did these last 10 years or so. |
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I wholeheartedly agree that YVR is simply now catching up to where it should have been years ago. Considering the airport had 15 million passengers in 1997, the fact that it just now crossed 20 million is shocking. That implies a compound annual growth of 1.69%, truly dismal. Even at 2.5% growth (inflation) YVR should be over 23 million today considering its place in the late 90s. Even with the strong growth seen lately, I honestly expect more, 25 million by 2020, as the airport anticipates, is a bare minimum, not great growth as is sometimes stated. |
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Low oil prices. Plus a single daily flight, which was inconvenient because it was cancelled regularly due to weather and the fear of flight crew timing out if they had to return to Newark. |
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WestJet's North American connections from here are usually in Toronto and they tend to beat Air Canada's prices. And, really, it's a non-issue when heading West. It's only annoying going to the northeast U.S., which is a popular destination for us, probably among the most popular. But, even then... meh. I can't get passionately upset about it. It's not like when we had to fly to MTL or TO to go to Europe. That was irritating because it ate up an extra day of your vacation. The direct YYT-Newark was just a nice to have. Not a human right like the directs to Dublin and London. :haha: Halifax is usually the most expensive for us to connect from. I assume it's because they're also the end of the spoke in our hub/spoke system. It's cheap for us to get to as a final destination, and probably cheaper to just get another ticket somewhere else once there. But people don't do that here yet. They're perfectly fine flying direct to Dublin and then shopping for whatever European tickets they need to get where they want to visit, but for some reason we don't do that in Halifax yet. Perhaps it's expensive for them to fly anywhere too? I don't know. Checked Jan. 4 for a one-way ticket to NYC and the cheaptest was WestJet via TO at $408. Air Canada via Montreal was $522 (6 hr 40 minutes). United's direct flight was also $522 but only 3 hr 55 minutes. And Air Canada via Halifax was $860. |
The cancelled United direct flight to NYC is no hair of my back. I'm willing to pay a few hundred dollars less and add an extra 90 minutes travel time to go through Toronto. I think Air Canada also has a direct flight to Newark from YYT anyway, though it might only be seasonal.
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It's off-topic but Atlanta airport became the first airport in the World to service 100M passengers in a year. They had their 100th million passenger on Dec 27.
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It's the same with Dubai's airport. Maybe 10-15% of passengers leave the airport but it still employs 90,000 people indirectly supporting more than 400,000 jobs and has an economic impact of $26.7B which is 27% of Dubai's GDP. By comparison, Canada's largest airport had an economic impact of $12.7B, twice as small as the 2 big ones mentioned earlier. It's not coincidence, YYZ also has passengers numbers that was twice fewer of the big ones. There is a good reason why airports are measured by # of passengers around the World. It is the best estimate of its value no matter if those passengers leave the airport or not. I smell a little bit of jealousy.:P |
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An 18 hour layover at YYZ and a night in a ‘room with a view’ at the Sheraton above T3…..gave me time to reflect on what we might have had at YUL.
Growing up in the late ‘60's and early ‘70's with frequent family visits to Montreal’s West Island would find me on the observation deck at ‘Dorval’. Sure I’d been to ‘Malton’ (Pearson) but besides Air Canada, Canadian Pacific and a couple of US carriers, the only ‘International’ flights at YYZ were on BOAC (British Airways)......Just no comparison to what we had at Dorval!...... Air France, Iberia, Alitalia, Scandinavian, Sabena, Swissair and Lufthansa among others with their DC-8s and ‘707s along with Aeroflot and Czech IL-62s. What a fascinating place for a kid! But how things have changed!.....YYZ is in constant motion today with carriers it seems from just about everywhere. T1 (1964) and T2 (early ‘70s) are long gone and replaced with the soaring roof structures and glass concourses handling passenger volumes more than 2 1\2 times that of YUL. We’ve had some nice building additions in YUL….but peel back a couple of layers and the original 1960 terminal is still in there. Walk out the pier to Gate 15 or in what’s left of the old mid-field Aeroquay…. and you’d be more apt to envision a Viscount or Vanguard through the windows ready for boarding. Sure we have some major carriers here at YUL but there are times through the day when frankly……there’s just not much going on! Some of my ‘Kodak Instamatic’ shots for July ’71: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r.../Scan10007.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i.../Scan10011.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w.../Scan10006.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E.../Scan10005.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_.../Scan10009.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z.../Scan10002.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u.../Scan10010.JPG And a couple of Postcards from a long ago visit: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_...Ic42/Image.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V...282%252529.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n...283%252529.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c...284%252529.jpg |
I have that last postcard in a scrapbook I made as a kid in the early 70's, thanks for the fantastic memories!! Great photos!!
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Tweet from Airliner Route that China Southern has applied to CAAC for daily Guangzhou - Toronto on 77W from July 2016.
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NewLeaf to announce new 'ultra low cost' airline in Hamilton Wednesday
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...sday-1.3389064 Travel company NewLeaf Travel is set to announce its promised new "ultra low cost" airline in Hamilton Wednesday. According to a press release, the company plans to share information about pricing, booking details and non-stop routes at the John C. Munro Hamilton Airport at 11 a.m. The launch will come months after initially planned, as NewLeaf had hoped to be operational by last summer. It missed the travel season while it was getting off the ground. "The idea is that we are trying to lower the airfares," airline head Jim Young told CBC News back in April. "We're focusing on secondary airports. We don't like high-cost airports like Vancouver, Calgary, (Toronto) Pearson." In the west, Young is aiming to fly into Abbotsford, B.C., instead of Vancouver International. Young has said the company hopes to look like the budget Ryanair in Europe, or Spirit or Allegiant airlines in the United States. The company will sell packages with hotels and rental cars to Canadian and U.S. holiday destinations. But it will also hope to fill a low-cost flight niche for bare-bones customers looking for "a seat and a seatbelt" for casual travel. These kinds of carriers typically have fewer daily flights, as well as no bonuses like in flight entertainment or frequent flyer points. The company is partnering with Kelowna, B.C.-based Flair Airlines, a private charter airline, for aircraft, maintenance and crews. Rather than buying planes from scratch, partnering with Flair will cut out some of the operational hurdles to getting a new airline off the ground, Young said previously. When reached Monday, a company representative said all details on flight destinations and prices are being saved for Wednesday's press conference. Passenger numbers at Hamilton's airport have been dropping for years. For years the bulk of its traffic has been cargo rather than passenger. "Strategically we see Hamilton International as an Airport well suited to an ultra-low cost carrier model, and would welcome New Leaf Travel Co. or any other low cost carrier to Hamilton Airport when looking to enter southern Ontario," airport marketing director Lauren Yaksich said in April. Air Canada delayed the launch of its similar "rouge" flights between Hamilton and Calgary after a plane crash in Halifax last March threw off the company's fleet numbers. |
Wasn't Jetlines supposed to fly out of Hamilton as well?
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I think Jetlines is still a pipe dream. There's been a lot of talk, and some "hiring" of senior management, but other than that they're no way near becoming an actual flying airline. I'm interested to see what NewLeaf turns out to be like. Though for me they're flying out of the wrong side of the GTA...
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NewLeaf unveiling cheap Canadian flights from 7 cities today
Airline will start in seven cities offering rock bottom fares http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/newl...ount-1.3391546 A new airline set to take flight today is offering ultra-low fares out of seven Canadian cities for as little as $89 for a one-way flight, starting Feb. 12. NewLeaf will reveal its flight plans at joint events in Kelowna, Winnipeg and Hamltion starting at 11 a.m. ET on Wednesday. CBC is livestreaming a feed of those press events in the player above. The airline's website, flynewleaf.ca, shows flights are available from seven Canadian airports: Abbotsford, B.C. Halifax Hamilton, Ont. Kelowna, B.C. Regina Saskatoon Winnipeg The airline will be partnering with B.C.-based charter airline Flair Airlines for planes, crew and maintenance work. The air travel industry in Canada is dominated by two companies, WestJet and Air Canada, but is also served by many regional and charter companies that cater to small segments of the market. Darcy Morgan, chief commercial officer of Calgary-based charter airline Enerjet, says Canada is more than able to handle competition in the industry. "Canada is not well-served by airlines today, and as much as there's a duopoly of Air Canada and WestJet, Canada lacks the low-cost point to point service pretty much every nation has available," he said in an interview. "If there's an opening in the market, we believe that's it." |
YKF envies YHM for those flights to Halifax, Winnipeg, and Kelowna, if not all of them.
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Not sure if there servers are just busy due to interest from a number of people wanting to check NewLeaf out, but I've been trying to book for the past 20 minutes and can't get any dates or prices to load. I also find the select a dat option to not be very user friendly. Not a good first impression.
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Clearly you're just jealous ;) "Canada's Brooklyn", here I come! |
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This operator --- should --- do alright. AC & WJ won't be able to interfere with these routes. (Unlike Jetsgo.) 'Looking forward to NewLeaf doing transborder routes. I wish them the best. :tup: |
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Generally, I find the YYT-EWR route a really convenient way to quickly get into the northeast US. From Newark, half the country is within a two hour flight, train, or drive. I fly it around three times a year (taking it back to St. John's today, writing from EWR) and have had good weather luck. Granted, I grew up outside of Philly, so getting stuck overnight around Newark is not a big deal and a great excuse to drop in on friends in the area. With the CAT III landing system at YYT, I would expect the flight to be significantly more reliable. An added bonus is the plane itself usually loops from the Houston/KC/Raleigh region of the US to Newark to St. John's, which is a relatively reliable route in the winter weather-wise. I've had many short connections to Halifax cancelled not because of bad weather at YYT or YHZ, but because the plane was previously hopping between Toronto and Montreal and got iced-in at YUL. I'm hopeful that the seasonal summer service continues. The summer service is operated by United, flies larger planes with 3x3 seat configurations, and is dominated by tourists. The winter service is operated by United Express, flies the smaller Embraer 175 with 2x2 configurations, and carries many oilmen. One poster at flyertalk.com speculated that the cause for the cancellation might have been a loss of specific corporate contracts (presumably guaranteed business from the oil companies) as opposed to a general lack of interest in the route or a weak Canadian dollar ( http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25941649-post15.html ). If so, maybe United is cancelling to leverage a future contract, or maybe they need to cancel to re-organize the segment. I'd be happy with every-other day service. Or maybe I need to move past my denial and accept pseudo-direct flights to downtown Philly are gone for good. In any case, if St. John's can support daily service to Heathrow, it's hard to fathom daily service to New York being unprofitable. I understand it's fun or cathartic to complain about the hassles of cancelled flights out of foggy St. John's, but I hoped at least one journalist or a critical mass of commenters would discuss the economic impact of losing the province's only direct route to New York, and the apparent lack of any provincial government effort to protect that route. But for some, none of that seems to matter. Afterall, we're getting expanded service to Orlando ( http://www.thetelegram.com/section/2...United-exits/1 ). Joy. |
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