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SkahHigh Sep 24, 2015 1:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canadian74 (Post 7175009)
A lot of airlines allow free stopover in Europe

Yeah, but I guess stopping at Reykjavik is a lot more pleasant and less stressful than transferring at CDG or Heathrow.

thenoflyzone Sep 24, 2015 2:04 AM

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7174463)
we're getting Air China 3 weekly beginning September 29, 2015... also Icelandair in May.

You're forgetting WOW Air (WW) to KEF as well. Interestingly enough, WW with their A321s will carry more seats to YUL than FI with their B752s.

G.S MTL Sep 25, 2015 3:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7175053)
You're forgetting WOW Air (WW) to KEF as well. Interestingly enough, WW with their A321s will carry more seats to YUL than FI with their B752s.



I didn't forget...it's not official ! Until
I see it on admtl then I'll
Believe it some statement from the airline.

SkahHigh Sep 25, 2015 4:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7177035)
I didn't forget...it's not official ! Until
I see it on admtl then I'll
Believe it some statement from the airline.

It was announced on airlineroute.net and they confirmed it to me on Facebook, it's official :notacrook:

G.S MTL Sep 25, 2015 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyeg66 (Post 7174824)
T'es chien, Stan, t'es chien!!! :D

Stan? lol

G.S MTL Sep 25, 2015 11:20 PM

and watch out for LOT to service YUL-WAW... its not official and they should make an announcement soon! if not then it'll be for 2017

Black Star Sep 25, 2015 11:21 PM

Air China Cargo choosing Edmonton for its first scheduled freighter service between mainland China and Canada is a “game-changer” for the region’s economic development, says Mayor Don Iveson.

The carrier launched service between Shanghai, Dallas-Fort Worth and Edmonton on Sept. 3.

“The opportunity for Edmonton-metropolitan businesses and northern Canadian businesses to now route freight direct to mainland China and direct to Texas through Dallas-Fort Worth is going to shave a lot of time off things that are moving by truck today or moving through other Canadian airports,” Iveson said during welcome celebrations Friday.




http://edmontonjournal.com/business/...-freight-route

SignalHillHiker Sep 25, 2015 11:32 PM

Don't underestimate the impact. China is huge. We felt the benefits when Icelanders decided - hey, lets charter flights to St. John's for our Christmas shopping! And we REALLY felt the loss when their economy collapsed and they stopped. And that's an island with a few hundred thousand. A commercial connection like yours to China could be way more impactful than people might assume.

Denscity Sep 25, 2015 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7177777)
Don't underestimate the impact. China is huge. We felt the benefits when Icelanders decided - hey, lets charter flights to St. John's for our Christmas shopping! And we REALLY felt the loss when their economy collapsed and they stopped. And that's an island with a few hundred thousand. A commercial connection like yours to China could be way more impactful than people might assume.

Ya imagine the impact all the connections Vancouver has with all the Chinese airlines flying in and out of YVR. They don't call it "The Pacific Century" for nothing.

SkahHigh Sep 26, 2015 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7177767)
and watch out for LOT to service YUL-WAW... its not official and they should make an announcement soon! if not then it'll be for 2017

Tunisair coming next summer as well apparently.

cyeg66 Sep 26, 2015 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7177763)
Stan? lol

Not a fan of "Les Boys" series, I see. :D

Coldrsx Sep 26, 2015 7:50 PM

ACC is an incredibly important link.

thenoflyzone Sep 27, 2015 1:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7177820)
Tunisair coming next summer as well apparently.

Tunisair was rumoured to start YUL since 2006-2007, if my memory is correct. Syphax came and went. Loads were awful. Tunisair might fare better, that's if they ever start the damn route already!

Either way, These purely VFR routes don't bring any value to YUL. If Montreal wants to be a global player once again, it needs global destinations. We need service to places like PEK, NRT, HKG, PVG, a better network to the U.S. west coast - SEA and SAN come to mind, and also at least one or two South American destinations - BOG for example. (No, TS to Cartagena 1x weekly in the winter doesn't really cut it)

TUN, not so much.

Look at BOS and the influx of foreign carriers in the last few years. NRT, PEK, HKG, PVG, TLV, IST, DXB, PTY, MEX, etc. Talk about putting a city on the global map overnight!

Now granted YUL, with the addition of PEK, will have service to 4 of those in that list, but we need to continue and attract service to the others as well.

SkahHigh Sep 27, 2015 1:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7178637)
Tunisair was rumoured to start YUL since 2006-2007, if my memory is correct. Syphax came and went. Loads were awful. Tunisair might fare better, that's if they ever start the damn route already!

Either way, These purely VFR routes don't bring any value to YUL. If Montreal wants to be a global player once again, it needs global destinations. We need service to places like PEK, NRT, HKG, PVG, a better network to the U.S. west coast - SEA and SAN come to mind, and also at least one or two South American destinations - BOG for example.

TUN, not so much.

Look at BOS and the influx of foreign carriers in the last few years. NRT, PEK, HKG, PVG, TLV, IST, DXB, PTY, MEX, etc. Talk about putting a city on the global map overnight!

Yeah I know, but it's still cool to see more foreign carriers at YUL! Last news for Tunisair (from early April) were suggesting a route start in summer of 2016.

http://www.destinationtunisie.info/t...eal-pour-2016/

G.S MTL Sep 27, 2015 4:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyeg66 (Post 7177851)
Not a fan of "Les Boys" series, I see. :D

Don't know what that is Hahahaha

cyeg66 Sep 27, 2015 8:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7178948)
Don't know what that is Hahahaha

Sorry, man, you gotta turn in your Québécois man-card. :D
It's the equivalent of Slapshot (but better) in English Canada. Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

Looks like all the in-service dates for WS's 767 keep coming and going and still no sign of it in the skies. They should just stop announcing its start date 'cause they're looking a little more than unprepared. :uhh:

G.S MTL Sep 27, 2015 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyeg66 (Post 7179115)
Sorry, man, you gotta turn in your Québécois man-card. :D
It's the equivalent of Slapshot (but better) in English Canada. Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

Looks like all the in-service dates for WS's 767 keep coming and going and still no sign of it in the skies. They should just stop announcing its start date 'cause they're looking a little more than unprepared. :uhh:

Ummmm I watch French stuff sometimes just not that ...
So westjet is going to fly to Europe ? Anybody have any routes so far? Or future routes.??

casper Sep 27, 2015 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7179158)
Ummmm I watch French stuff sometimes just not that ...
So westjet is going to fly to Europe ? Anybody have any routes so far? Or future routes.??

All flights are to London (Gatwick) - Flights from Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Vancouver with the new ("pre-owned") 767. They are also operating to London from St. John's.

Sorry no WestJet 767 for Montreal.

G.S MTL Sep 27, 2015 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 7179165)
All flights are to London (Gatwick) - Flights from Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Vancouver with the new ("pre-owned") 767. They are also operating to London from St. John's.

Sorry no WestJet 767 for Montreal.

Bah that's okay ...;) we have Turkish airlines, Air China, Qatar airways, KLM, Royal air Maroc, Air France, Lufthansa, British Airways, Transat, Sata international, corsair, SWISS my god I keep going ... Icelandair in May, WOW airlines, it's a big list... Can't name them all ;)

SkahHigh Sep 28, 2015 12:19 AM

WestJet gave up on YUL long ago... It's okay, it's Air Canada and Transat's win.

G.S MTL Sep 28, 2015 12:20 AM

Westjet is what makes Calgary international airport passenger traffic soar ! Domestic traffic is pretty big there.

thenoflyzone Sep 29, 2015 2:51 AM

CA879 departs PEK in a little over 2 hours. No aircraft reg yet on flightradar.

SkahHigh Sep 29, 2015 2:22 PM

Montreal-Trudeau monthly stats are out. YUL recorded 1,601,961 passengers, up +3,7% from last year.

Domestic: 595,273 +0.7%
International: 653,815 +7.3%
Transborder: 352,863 +2.5%

YTD +4,3% with 10,643,774 passengers

When other airports publish their August stats I'll make a list.

jmt18325 Sep 29, 2015 3:41 PM

I wish Winnipeg put out stats monthly instead of quarterly.

G.S MTL Sep 29, 2015 3:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7180400)
CA879 departs PEK in a little over 2 hours. No aircraft reg yet on flightradar.

it lands in about 2 hours

G.S MTL Sep 29, 2015 4:00 PM

actually its been advanced to 1:10pm! nice and early.

SkahHigh Sep 29, 2015 5:44 PM

http://s21.postimg.org/x7ffffalj/120...36123442_n.jpg
by Mathieu Cappuccili on Fb

cyeg66 Sep 29, 2015 9:39 PM

Nice... Félicitations, YUL. :cheers:
THE DUOPOLY of Chinese service to Canadian cities is officially BROKEN!!! (Good call, Thenoflyzone) ;)

I can't tell, is that on 06R (doubtful) or 24L (and those are those buildings at the corner of autoroute 13 and la 40)?

thenoflyzone Sep 30, 2015 2:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyeg66 (Post 7181457)
Nice... Félicitations, YUL. :cheers:
THE DUOPOLY of Chinese service to Canadian cities is officially BROKEN!!! (Good call, Thenoflyzone) ;)

I can't tell, is that on 06R (doubtful) or 24L (and those are those buildings at the corner of autoroute 13 and la 40)?

He landed 24R and took off 24L with an immediate left turn due to some buildups and moderate/heavy rain at the airport.

Your memory is good. Those are indeed the buildings at the corner of 13/40.

According to Air China officials in this following article (french only), this new route has already sold 85% of the seats in the short term. Not too bad considering we are talking about the months of October and november, the latter being one of the worst months in terms of load factor.

Yields, on the other hand, I hear aren't too good for now. But it's to be expected on a new startup such as this, what with introductory fares and all.

http://m.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/I...r-canada.shtml

Chadillaccc Sep 30, 2015 3:20 AM

YYC 12-month end August 31 shows a total growth of 2.78% with 15 439 114 passengers.

This growth is split between:

Domestic - 10 897 759 - 3.1%
Transborder - 3 086 314 - 0.7%
International - 1 455 041 - 5.1%


http://www.yyc.com/en-us/media/facts...tatistics.aspx

Nicko999 Sep 30, 2015 5:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7180747)
Montreal-Trudeau monthly stats are out. YUL recorded 1,601,961 passengers, up +3,7% from last year.

Domestic: 595,273 +0.7%
International: 653,815 +7.3%
Transborder: 352,863 +2.5%

YTD +4,3% with 10,643,774 passengers

When other airports publish their August stats I'll make a list.

Toronto still haven't published their July numbers yet. It's absolutely ridicoulus. Out of the top 100 airports in the World, YYZ is the only one which doesn't have July numbers yet.

cyeg66 Sep 30, 2015 8:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc (Post 7181830)
YYC 12-month end August 31 shows a total growth of 2.78% with 15 439 114 passengers.

This growth is split between:

Domestic - 10 897 759 - 3.1%
Transborder - 3 086 314 - 0.7%
International - 1 455 041 - 5.1%


http://www.yyc.com/en-us/media/facts...tatistics.aspx

I see they revised July numbers 'down' from 5.1%. Frankly, I'm amazed the numbers are staying as high as they are given the economic climate in Alberta. If oilpatch butts in seats are included in totals, that's probably the reason for the 'flatness' in the stats. If you're not sure what I mean, have a look at Fort McMurray stats...yikes.:tumbleweed:

begratto Sep 30, 2015 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc (Post 7181830)
YYC 12-month end August 31 shows a total growth of 2.78% with 15 439 114 passengers.

This growth is split between:

Domestic - 10 897 759 - 3.1%
Transborder - 3 086 314 - 0.7%
International - 1 455 041 - 5.1%


http://www.yyc.com/en-us/media/facts...tatistics.aspx

YYC. YTD: 10,473,485. +1.73% YoY

bikegypsy Sep 30, 2015 2:38 PM

Congratulations to YUL! Interesting that it's CA. Beijing will soon be the London of Asia in terms of flight activity for Canada.

G.S MTL Oct 1, 2015 5:03 PM

Just confirmed !! its official now.

Aéroports de Montréal is pleased to confirm that ultra-low-cost carrier WOW Air will begin flying out of Montréal–Trudeau International Airport (YUL) on 12 May 2016. The Iceland-based scheduled carrier will operate flights between Montréal and Reykjavik four times a week.

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...0b&oe=5691E251

http://www.admtl.com/sites/default/f...C3%A9WOW_A.pdf

ACT7 Oct 2, 2015 2:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicko999 (Post 7181988)
Toronto still haven't published their July numbers yet. It's absolutely ridicoulus. Out of the top 100 airports in the World, YYZ is the only one which doesn't have July numbers yet.

They sort of have. It's displayed directly on their website, but the PDF has not been officially updated.

yyzer Oct 2, 2015 3:15 AM

[QUOTE=G.S MTL;7183471]Just confirmed !! its official now.

"Aéroports de Montréal is pleased to confirm that ultra-low-cost carrier WOW Air will begin flying out of Montréal–Trudeau International Airport (YUL) on 12 May 2016. The Iceland-based scheduled carrier will operate flights between Montréal and Reykjavik four times a week."

Actually, it's official that WOW Air are adding flights to both YYZ and YUL.... four flights a week to each city...and they are already advertising extremely low fares to Europe i.e. $149.... should really shake up the transatlantic market next year....

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpre...-and-montreal/

big T Oct 2, 2015 11:08 AM

The $149 is from Reykjavik to Europe. You have to add $99 for YUL/YYZ-Reykjavik, plus all the fees and surcharges typical of low cost airlines (bags, seat selection, etc.). And this is per direction, of course.

Still cheap, but not even close to either $99 or 149 (both of which I have seen advertised over the past few days) for a r/t to London or Paris. More like $500 all in, which is still a good 200 to 400 less than typical fares on existing carriers.

SkahHigh Oct 2, 2015 1:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big T (Post 7184324)
The $149 is from Reykjavik to Europe. You have to add $99 for YUL/YYZ-Reykjavik, plus all the fees and surcharges typical of low cost airlines (bags, seat selection, etc.). And this is per direction, of course.

Still cheap, but not even close to either $99 or 149 (both of which I have seen advertised over the past few days) for a r/t to London or Paris. More like $500 all in, which is still a good 200 to 400 less than typical fares on existing carriers.

Yeah, people in social media are really excited about this because they don't know how ULCC's work... In Europe, these carriers (Easyjet, Ryanair, Air Europa) are really handy because of the proximity, not sure if this will work in Canada. We'll see.

speedog Oct 2, 2015 1:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by begratto (Post 7182059)
YYC. YTD: 10,473,485. +1.73% YoY

Please help me understand why you would reply to Chadillaccc with this?

jmt18325 Oct 2, 2015 2:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedog (Post 7184401)
Please help me understand why you would reply to Chadillaccc with this?

I'm assuming that he was showing that growth is in fact slowing down not insignificantly when leaving out still stronger times from the second half of last year.

speedog Oct 2, 2015 2:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmt18325 (Post 7184408)
I'm assuming that he was showing that growth is in fact slowing down not insignificantly when leaving out still stronger times from the second half of last year.

Almost appears to be a petty response, I suspect if anyone else besides Chadillaccc had made the post that there wouldn't have been a response. Just my gut feelings.

SkahHigh Oct 2, 2015 3:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedog (Post 7184459)
Almost appears to be a petty response, I suspect if anyone else besides Chadillaccc had made the post that there wouldn't have been a response. Just my gut feelings.

He just completed Chad's post with YTD YYC stats which we usually post here instead of the "12 month end" stat, which is unpredictable since there are still 4 months left in 2015...

speedog Oct 2, 2015 4:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7184503)
He just completed Chad's post with YTD YYC stats which we usually post here instead of the "12 month end" stat, which is unpredictable since there are still 4 months left in 2015...

Yeah, okay.

thenoflyzone Oct 2, 2015 4:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big T (Post 7184324)
The $149 is from Reykjavik to Europe. You have to add $99 for YUL/YYZ-Reykjavik, plus all the fees and surcharges typical of low cost airlines (bags, seat selection, etc.). And this is per direction, of course.

Still cheap, but not even close to either $99 or 149 (both of which I have seen advertised over the past few days) for a r/t to London or Paris. More like $500 all in, which is still a good 200 to 400 less than typical fares on existing carriers.

Not always worth the hassle, if you ask me. Found R/T 750$ tax in with TS for YUL-CDG next May.

So that's only 250$ more, but a non stop and 32-33 inches in seat pitch compared to WOW's 30-31 inch.

begratto Oct 2, 2015 5:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmt18325 (Post 7184408)
I'm assuming that he was showing that growth is in fact slowing down not insignificantly when leaving out still stronger times from the second half of last year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7184503)
He just completed Chad's post with YTD YYC stats which we usually post here instead of the "12 month end" stat, which is unpredictable since there are still 4 months left in 2015...

^this.


And to make the YYC stats comparable to those of other airports. Otherwise it's bananas and oranges.

LeftCoaster Oct 2, 2015 5:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedog (Post 7184459)
Almost appears to be a petty response, I suspect if anyone else besides Chadillaccc had made the post that there wouldn't have been a response. Just my gut feelings.

It was a petty response sure, but Chad cherry picked the stat that made YYC look better and ignored the stat that we all usually post here.

Unfortunately two negatives don't equal a positive, but this is the Canada section after all, so no surprises here.

Denscity Oct 2, 2015 5:12 PM

YVR lands yet another airline although be it minor - National Airlines to Orlando.
Rumours for YVR include Fiji and China's Xiamen. Which I think would give us all 6 Chinese airlines and 2 of them North American exclusive.

SkahHigh Oct 2, 2015 6:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 7184671)
YVR lands yet another airline although be it minor - National Airlines to Orlando.
Rumours for YVR include Fiji and China's Xiamen. Which I think would give us all 6 Chinese airlines and 2 of them North American exclusive.

That's very cool. You guys are lucky to be the closest to Asian markets!

Denscity Oct 2, 2015 7:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7184794)
That's very cool. You guys are lucky to be the closest to Asian markets!

Yes location definitely helps. And you guys got the "French connection" with flights to countries no one else has.


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