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Bourkky Oct 4, 2018 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8335249)
We wont. 2019 is lining up around 19.3 million. It was a known fact that growth was going to slow in 2019 and even more in 2020. We might not get to 20 million in 2020 btw. I simply said its attainable, not a certainty.
2018 is also lining up around 19.3 millions. Are you saying you expect that YUL will not see any growth at all in 2019?

thenoflyzone Oct 4, 2018 2:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bourkky (Post 8335256)
2018 is also lining up around 19.3 millions. Are you saying you expect that YUL will not see any growth at all in 2019?
Sorry about that. For a moment there I though we were in 2019. Yes, 20 mil by 2019 is what I meant. But it's going to be tight regardless.

2020 is pretty much a certainty that we will pass 20 million.

CityTech Oct 4, 2018 4:07 PM
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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8335193)
Getting a new tail and new destination is always the goal (either one or the other is good but both is the best). VIE and OS is a great addition, definitely better than Primera, RIP

Regarding BOD, the announcement shows the importance of wording. "Only network carrier offering non-stop transatlantic service from Bordeaux". TS operates seasonal service too and has for years, and its scheduled too, not charter. But adding that "network" makes AC seem more important :) I always wonder how TS does financially, its been around for ages but the rise of WS, Sunwing (for sun spots), and now AC gunning after more European routes must be having some effect behind the scenes with TS
TS trans-atlantic flights are generally a lot more affordable than other carriers. For example, YUL-PRG via TS is about 25% cheaper than YYZ-PRG via AC.

LeftCoaster Oct 5, 2018 8:39 PM
Slightly more subdued growth out of YVR for August. Intl still strong but transborder and domestic slowing the overall pace:

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8332163)
August stats are out. Growth more subdued for sure, I think the onslaught of fires/weather factored in as many had predicted. I wonder if rebookings into September will help those numbers, or if it was just a wash of cancellations without rebooking? The US numbers continue to be underwhelming after a stronger first half of the year. Still the Trump effect?

Domestic: +4.5% (+6.8% YTD)
Transborder: +2.9% (+6.1% YTD)
International (non-transborder): +10.2% (+13% YTD)
International (incl transborder): +6.7% (+9.7% YTD)
Overall: +5.7% (+8.3% YTD)

Still not bad numbers for the month, roughly the same as YUL's overall growth but lower than YYC's. YYC domestic has been pulling ahead again, while international is shrinking. YVR and YUL are more similar with international leading the way

thenoflyzone Oct 6, 2018 8:09 PM
Transat is getting its first 2 A321neoLR next year. Initial routes are now loaded.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...etwork-in-s19/

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Air Transat in last week’s schedule update filed planned Airbus A321 Trans-Atlantic service, mainly operating from Montreal and Quebec City. The A321neo LR aircraft will gradually serving following markets from May 2019.

Montreal – Basel/Mulhouse eff 17JUN19 2 weekly
Montreal – Lisbon eff 03MAY19 1 weekly (Except 21JUN10 – 01OCT19)
Montreal – London Gatwick 19JUN19 – 18SEP19 1 weekly
Montreal – Marseille eff 06MAY19 1 weekly (Except 13JUN19 – 13OCT19)
Montreal – Nantes eff 06MAY19 1 weekly (Except 11JUN19 – 24SEP19)
Montreal – Nice eff 02MAY19 2 weekly (3 weekly from 14MAY19)
Montreal – Porto eff 04MAY19 2 weekly (3 weekly from 27MAY19)
Montreal – Toulouse 14OCT19
Quebec City – Paris CDG eff 03MAY19 2 weekly (3 weekly from 28MAY19)
Here is an outline of their summer 2019 program.

Of note, new Toronto-Split (Croatia) 1x weekly flight.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...695176271.html

nname Oct 6, 2018 8:23 PM
Guess no more YVR-GLA :(

zahav Oct 6, 2018 9:10 PM
Doesn't look like it. I would rather connect through DUB or LHR to get there, going through YYZ is so out of the way. That's the case for most European destinations, makes way more sense for Western Canada to connect in Europe than in YYZ or YUL

nname Oct 6, 2018 9:25 PM
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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8338050)
Doesn't look like it. I would rather connect through DUB or LHR to get there, going through YYZ is so out of the way. That's the case for most European destinations, makes way more sense for Western Canada to connect in Europe than in YYZ or YUL
or KEF

Well, I don't like connection in general unless I also make it part of my trip. Too much stress and time wasting. After having to run from end of satellite terminal to the end of main terminal in NRT within 40min... never again :hell:

Guess my next Europe trip will be to ZRH, or somewhere with stopover at Iceland...

YYCguys Oct 6, 2018 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8338012)
Of note, new Toronto-Split (Croatia) 1x weekly flight.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...695176271.html
I have heard so much about Split and how quaint it is! I will hopefully use this service to go there! :tup:

thenoflyzone Oct 7, 2018 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8338050)
Doesn't look like it. I would rather connect through DUB or LHR to get there, going through YYZ is so out of the way. That's the case for most European destinations, makes way more sense for Western Canada to connect in Europe than in YYZ or YUL
Not really.

YVR-YUL-GLA is only 5% longer than YVR-LHR-GLA. That's a 20 minute difference. Connecting in YYZ is 2% longer than YUL.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=YVR-gla...a&MS=wls&DU=nm

zahav Oct 7, 2018 2:08 AM
Thru DUB of KEF is shorter though

isaidso Oct 7, 2018 2:38 AM
Just 1 Canadian airport, YYZ, in the Top 50. Hopefully YVR can one day get there.

https://i.imgur.com/nwPGaKO.png
Courtesy of bubbalo

thenoflyzone Oct 7, 2018 3:45 AM
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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8338019)
Guess no more YVR-GLA :(
Last outbound flight seems to be on Oct 8.

First NGO, now GLA. So much for 15 new destinations (or whatever it was) by 2020....

TK to IST can't come soon enough it seems....

thenoflyzone Oct 7, 2018 3:51 AM
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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 8338244)
Just 1 Canadian airport, YYZ, in the Top 50. Hopefully YVR can one day get there.
The lower threshold of that list keeps moving up every year.

50th busiest airport in 2010 handled 26 million passengers
50th busiest airport in 2017 handled 40 million passengers

Guess how many passengers the 50th busiest airport in 2023 will handle? Forget about YVR. Only 7 million passengers separate YYZ and the 50th airport in that list. That's not a lot. Even though Toronto has been climbing in that list, the way Asian airports are growing, and with YYZ now at capacity, Canada will be lucky if it still has 1 airport in that list 10 years from now.

DrNest Oct 7, 2018 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8338292)
The lower threshold of that list keeps moving up every year.

50th busiest airport in 2010 handled 26 million passengers
50th busiest airport in 2017 handled 40 million passengers

Guess how many passengers the 50th busiest airport in 2023 will handle? Forget about YVR. Only 7 million passengers separate YYZ and the 50th airport in that list. That's not a lot. Even though Toronto has been climbing in that list, the way Asian airports are growing, and with YYZ now at capacity, Canada will be lucky if it still has 1 airport in that list 10 years from now.
YYZ has steadily been increasing in movements over the past decade. And it still is not anywhere near at capacity throughout the day. There are many hours when I'm sat waiting for a plane to show up.
According to Airports Council International, who keep stats on these things, Pearson was 11th in the world for movements, surpassing even London Heathrow. You won't see YYZ drop off that list for a long time.

thenoflyzone Oct 8, 2018 3:53 AM
ADM presser ref. their 150th new destination, Vienna.

Highlighted the interesting bits

https://www.admtl.com/sites/default/...tion_ENG_R.pdf

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150th destination announced
MONTRÉAL-TRUDEAU, DOORWAY TO THE WORLD

Montréal, October 3, 2018 – Aéroports de Montréal (ADM) is proudly celebrating the addition of a 150th destination from Montréal: Vienna, the capital of Austria. A true hub for international traffic, Montréal-Trudeau airport is increasingly offering an air service comparable to North America’s biggest airports.
The addition of varied and interesting destinations for travellers and business people is helping to boost demand and make the world more accessible to all passengers. These destinations also make the city more accessible to the rest of the planet. Montréal Trudeau is also welcoming a growing number of air carriers, which is further diversifying its air service. In 2018 alone, no fewer than four new airlines were added, bringing the total to 37.

- Montréal-Trudeau is the most “international” of Canada’s airports. In fact, in 2018, 41% of passengers are travelling to or from an international destination (excluding destinations to or from the United States), compared with 37% for Toronto and 28% for Vancouver. 

- Since 2004, the number of international destinations has tripled, from 30 to 91.

- Montréal-Trudeau offers 91 international destinations while airports in comparable cities such as Boston and Vancouver offer 44 and 48, respectively.

- In the first eight months of 2018, the international sector had a total of 5,479,239 passengers, or half a million more than Vancouver airport. This represents an 8.4% increase over the corresponding period last year. This sector grew by 13.5% in 2017.

“Already 150 destinations! The progress made in recent years is impressive. MontréalTrudeau offers an enviable air service that is raising the city’s profile throughout the world. Reflecting the dynamism of an economy and local tourism, the quality and diversity of an air service represent important engines of economic development for a city. The growth of Montréal-Trudeau is bringing interesting opportunities for the community, tourism and the business community. We can be proud that the entire world is within reach from Montréal-Trudeau”, said Philippe Rainville, President and Chief Executive Officer of ADM.

nname Oct 9, 2018 9:23 AM
Tomorrow we'll know where WS run their 787s to?

http://westjet.mediaroom.com/2018-10...ure-in-Alberta

Seems like they will all based in YYC though.

thenoflyzone Oct 9, 2018 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8339819)
Tomorrow we'll know where WS run their 787s to?

http://westjet.mediaroom.com/2018-10...ure-in-Alberta

Seems like they will all based in YYC though.
YYC-CDG seems like a sure bet for summer 2019. Slow takeover of LGW as well. We'll see what happens.

Interested to see if they will go to Asia at all in the first year. I dont think so, but If they do, it's ICN or NRT.

DrNest Oct 9, 2018 3:23 PM
It does make sense for WestJet to initially base all their 787s at one location, and likely that would be YYC if not YYZ. However, I can see them using the 787 to Gatwick, from either of the aforementioned bases.

whywhyzee Oct 9, 2018 4:18 PM
All 787s will be YYC based, it that is just the crew base, it necessarily the route base. All 767s are moving to a YYZ crew base as well next summer.


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