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Check out Streetview pics of Boston. Not many overhead wires. It can be done, we just choose not to. |
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Outside of Manhattan and brownstone Brooklyn, even NYC has them. If those cities, at their population densities (and higher tax revenues per square foot of land) finding it too costly to underground utilities, I doubt we ever will. |
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In any event, my point stands. It can be done and has nothing to do with the age of the neighborhood or being built on granite (which we are not). We simply choose to say wires strung on poles is good enough for us. |
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We're getting to the point where electric buses won't even need wires. HRM just approved a pilot project to get a fully electric bus. Hopefully it goes well and all new bus purchases can start being electric. I think this transition to electric is going to be huge for downtown areas around the world. On the topic of underground wires: they're about 10 times as expensive as overhead wires. NSP will never put them in themselves, because as a regulated utility all customers are technically paying for them, and they don't really want to justify paying for underground wires in Halifax to their customers in Ecum Secum. So it's up to HRM or developers to pay for undergrounding (which is what happened in the areas of downtown where it's been done). Again, that costs $$$, so the HRM has a priority list of streets to do over time. Even if someone pays for them, NSP doesn't like them. Underground wires obviously have a lot less go wrong with them, but when something does go wrong they're really expensive to fix. I've heard some rumblings that the underground systems in some of HRM's older suburbs (Cowie Hill and the like) are aging, and when it comes time to replace them NSP will put them above ground. Personally, I'd like to see them done, especially in high-profile areas (Bishop St. next to Province House being one...). But at the same time, it's a pretty low priority in the grand scheme of things. I don't think the government and residents of this city "lack vision" if we don't run out and underground all the wires today. |
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Most of Halifax has backyards rather than service lanes, so the wires have to go in front, on the streets. And sure enough, we see the same in the parts of Boston that are more like Halifax (South Boston, Cambridge, etc) we see above-ground wires on the streets. |
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Also, in addition to improving aesthetics by a factor of night to day, I figure the initial cost difference should be offset by the exposed lines being subject to frequent weather issues, leading to many repairs, not to mention lost productivity due to power outages. |
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You guys are still not getting it. The exact same conversation went down with Keith. He says most visible, downtown/ish, developed neighbours are undergrounded in major cities. We are not saying bury down the entire HRM for gods sake. But some nicely planned streetscape projects with undergrounding and forcing developers to bury them if the development size passes a certain size threshold, would make a huge difference in Halifax. Quinpool, Gottingen, South Barrington, Agricola etc. This will not gonna effin break the Halifax financially and it is really not hard to accomplish.
But oh wait ! Some alley in the X city in Y province has overhead utilities, I guess my argument is invalid. |
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Regarding undergrounding wires, I agree that it would be a good idea in some of the showcase areas in the city, but at 10X cost who is going to pay? Perhaps yal can add some good information on how this has been paid for in other areas rather than simply putting Halifax down for not adhering to his/her wishes. :2cents: |
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Maybe it's not happening as fast as people would like, but it is happening. |
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I hope, but doubt, Banc/Fares will bury the utilities on the adjacent Margaretta. Still, surely they will apply lessons learned, and make a better job of the Margaretta than the Mary-Ann. |
I thought this was quite timely for the discussion. Sounds like you all have angered the gods of underground power lines... :haha:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...down-1.4174172 |
It was merely an observation! :shrug: :D Sheesh!
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For comparison: 2009 | 2016 |
I may be wrong, but aren't the buildings across the street part of the problem? There are wires running from the pole in front of The Port to the blue building on the south side of Clyde. Getting rid of those would require tunneling the street, wouldn't it?
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Indeed, you're right. It must be Nova Scotia Power as much as the developer then that takes care of the undergrounding?
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