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Alexcaban Apr 30, 2020 4:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8908389)
Some more international service updates by foreign carriers to Canada for the month of May:

Sichuan Airlines:

Chengdu – Vancouver (1 weekly) A350-900XWB

Japan Air Lines (JAL):

Tokyo Narita – Vancouver (1 weekly) 787-8

All Nippon Airways (ANA):

Tokyo Haneda – Vancouver (3 weekly) 787-9



Yeah some A350 action! Monthly schedules the norm right now it seems...

Again, wonder how full these planes are.


Based on the loads I could see from AC, my guess is between 40-80 pax per flight.

nname Apr 30, 2020 5:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8908389)
Some more international service updates by foreign carriers to Canada for the month of May:

Sichuan Airlines:

Chengdu – Vancouver (1 weekly) A350-900XWB

Japan Air Lines (JAL):

Tokyo Narita – Vancouver (1 weekly) 787-8

All Nippon Airways (ANA):

Tokyo Haneda – Vancouver (3 weekly) 787-9



Yeah some A350 action! Monthly schedules the norm right now it seems...

Again, wonder how full these planes are.

For the China flights, all flights from anywhere in Canada to anywhere in China are completely "full" (capacity limited to 75%) for the month of May. Next availability right now is June 2 YVR-XMN.

The flights from China to Canada are quite empty.

Rogie Apr 30, 2020 5:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8908547)
For the China flights, all flights from anywhere in Canada to anywhere in China are completely "full" (capacity limited to 75%) for the month of May. Next availability right now is June 2 YVR-XMN.

The flights from China to Canada are quite empty.

Mainly Chinese students going home for summer holidays, from what I hear.

Alexcaban Apr 30, 2020 5:43 PM

Air Canada now has 2 of the ex TAP fins (939 & 940) operating as cargo planes. All but 6 seats were removed.

One did TLV-YUL last night and the other did YMX-YUL-TLV late last night.

MonctonRad Apr 30, 2020 6:43 PM

N.B. airports will lose millions this year
Normal traffic won’t be back before 2022, caution some industry experts
Rachel Cave · CBC News · Posted: Apr 30, 2020 2:00 PM AT | Last Updated: 5 minutes ago
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...id19-1.5550667

In brief, traffic volumes are down by:
- 94% at the Greater Moncton Romeo LeBlanc International Airport
- 70% at the Fredericton International Airport
- 100% at the Saint John Airport

:eek:

There is only a single Air Canada flight to Freddy daily (from Montreal), a single WestJet flight daily to Moncton (from Toronto) and no passenger service to Saint John.........

Djeffery Apr 30, 2020 10:36 PM

A standard 747 didn't just come off the line and have a space shuttle set on it's back. As I said, modified. If there was ever a need, a 380 likely could as well. As for the A380 freighter, they had the plans to offer it, and UPS, FEDEX ordered them, prior to the 380 finally entering service. They all got FED UP when the program kept getting delayed and went and bought other aircraft that they could get in the air earlier. Airbus then shelved the freighter plans with no immediate demand for it. Courier freight isn't heavy and they would have had no issue utilizing the space on most routes with that demand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8908313)
That's where you're wrong. It's one of the reasons why you don't see all cargo A380s flying around. The frame and payload capacity for it's mass is far inferior to that of the B747.

https://www.flexport.com/blog/airbus...go-equivalent/



What's that word I was using? Oh yeah......TOY.



Exactly.



Could be. Could also be you're thinking about the An-225's "little" sister, the Antonov 124.



What's weird about it? it's 2 of the largest planes in the world. What better criteria for comparison? The A380 is an inferior product. Both in terms of pax transport (as evidenced by its lack of sales) and cargo. Period.

And it's YMX. not YUL.

YUL can't handle the An-225. It could barely handle the A380.



Hence why I never called the B747 a toy.


Dominion301 May 1, 2020 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonctonRad (Post 8908669)
N.B. airports will lose millions this year
Normal traffic won’t be back before 2022, caution some industry experts
Rachel Cave · CBC News · Posted: Apr 30, 2020 2:00 PM AT | Last Updated: 5 minutes ago
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...id19-1.5550667

In brief, traffic volumes are down by:
- 94% at the Greater Moncton Romeo LeBlanc International Airport
- 70% at the Fredericton International Airport
- 100% at the Saint John Airport

:eek:

There is only a single Air Canada flight to Freddy daily (from Montreal), a single WestJet flight daily to Moncton (from Toronto) and no passenger service to Saint John.........

WS are still flying YFC-YYZ. However only a 70% traffic drop makes no sense. Maybe that refers to March only.

MonctonRad May 1, 2020 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8909051)
WS are still flying YFC-YYZ. However only a 70% traffic drop makes no sense. Maybe that refers to March only.

Yeah, I became aware after the fact that both WestJet & AC were flying into Freddy.

Traffic at YQM (Moncton) normally amounts to about 22-24 flights per day, so going down to a single flight makes a 94% drop in PAX plausible.

YFC is a lot less busy than YQM (by about half), so with two remaining flights to the provincial capital, their percentage drop in PAX would be a lot less, but to be down by only 70% is surprising, but this is what was reported in the accompanying CBC article.

Dominion301 May 1, 2020 1:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonctonRad (Post 8909089)
Yeah, I became aware after the fact that both WestJet & AC were flying into Freddy.

Traffic at YQM (Moncton) normally amounts to about 22-24 flights per day, so going down to a single flight makes a 94% drop in PAX plausible.

YFC is a lot less busy than YQM (by about half), so with two remaining flights to the provincial capital, their percentage drop in PAX would be a lot less, but to be down by only 70% is surprising, but this is what was reported in the accompanying CBC article.

Yeah YFC has grown rapidly in the past five years while YQM’s been fairly steady growing maybe 10% vs YFC 50%. In fact YFC now handles about 2/3 the traffic of YQM.

Having said that, I can’t see YFC handling more than 70 pax a day at the moment = a 90% drop, given other much larger airports like YQB are reporting 40-50 pax a day on average.

Dominion301 May 1, 2020 1:07 AM

AC have updated May and have now cut most May additions, including some routes that operated in April including:

YYC-YWG
YEG-YZF...meaning AC are adding YZF to the suspended cities list.
YVR-YXS...also suspended

They’re also cutting May vs April frequencies on some routes they’re still keeping including:
YYZ-YSB
YYZ-YTS
YOW-YUL

hollywoodcory May 1, 2020 1:39 AM

WS also further reduced it's domestic schedule in May.

YHZ-YUL is suspended May 5-June 4.

YYC-YQL Reduced to 3x weekly
YYC-YXH Reduced to 3x weekly
YYC-YXC Reduced to 3x weekly
YWG-YXE Reduced to 2x weekly
YWG-YQT Reduced to 2x weekly

https://blog.westjet.com/westjet-mak...hrough-june-4/

Also WS has saved 1000 pilots from layoffs. Originally 1700 were to be laid off either May 1 or June 1.
https://blog.westjet.com/westjet-sav...pa-agreements/

TheGreatestX May 1, 2020 4:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8909111)
AC have updated May and have now cut most May additions, including some routes that operated in April including:

YYC-YWG
YEG-YZF...meaning AC are adding YZF to the suspended cities list.
YVR-YXS...also suspended

They’re also cutting May vs April frequencies on some routes they’re still keeping including:
YYZ-YSB
YYZ-YTS
YOW-YUL

They even dropped YEG-YYC for May.

Dominion301 May 1, 2020 6:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 8909241)
They even dropped YEG-YYC for May.

Well look at that as that's a change from yesterday when it was still showing 1x.

Dominion301 May 1, 2020 7:16 PM

Since YAM has no AC or PD right now, their only remaining trickle of service is Bearskin. Listen to this:

Quote:

Although Terry Bos, president and CEO of the Sault Ste. Marie airport, says most of those end up being cancelled.

He says this spring the airport had a week with only four passengers, compared with as many as 5,000 before the pandemic.
Source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbu...ario-1.5550314

On a separate note, this article has a lot of cool pics about airlines converting pax aircraft to temporary freighters, including AC: https://thepointsguy.com/news/how-ar...rted-to-cargo/

GreaterMontréal May 2, 2020 12:22 AM

The Antonov 225 landing in Mirabel as we speak. Nolinor, an Aircraft rental service company from Mirabel, chartered the plane and prepared everything from start to finish.

kwoldtimer May 2, 2020 1:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal (Post 8910298)
The Antonov 225 landing in Mirabel as we speak. Nolinor, an Aircraft rental service company from Mirabel, chartered the plane and prepared everything from start to finish.

Nolinor contracted Toronto-based logistics and charter provider Momentum Solutions to secure the Antonov.

thenoflyzone May 2, 2020 4:48 AM

There must have been several thousand cars packed with ppl that came to see the Antonov. I was expecting a crowd, but not the whole city!

Anyways, video of the landing and pictures of the aircraft on the ground during unloading of cargo from TVA nouvelles. Scroll down to see the thousands of cars and people as well.

https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2020/05/...endu-a-mirabel

spaceprobe May 2, 2020 6:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8908313)
That's where you're wrong. It's one of the reasons why you don't see all cargo A380s flying around. The frame and payload capacity for it's mass is far inferior to that of the B747.

https://www.flexport.com/blog/airbus...go-equivalent/



What's that word I was using? Oh yeah......TOY.



Exactly.



Could be. Could also be you're thinking about the An-225's "little" sister, the Antonov 124.



What's weird about it? it's 2 of the largest planes in the world. What better criteria for comparison? The A380 is an inferior product. Both in terms of pax transport (as evidenced by its lack of sales) and cargo. Period.

And it's YMX. not YUL.

YUL can't handle the An-225. It could barely handle the A380.



Hence why I never called the B747 a toy.

Haha. Not sure if sales is a good comparison....there being only 1 An-225 does not put it in good light.

spaceprobe May 2, 2020 6:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8910470)
There must have been several thousand cars packed with ppl that came to see the Antonov. I was expecting a crowd, but not the hole city!

Anyways, video of the landing and pictures of the aircraft on the ground during unloading of cargo from TVA nouvelles. Scroll down to see the thousands of cars and people as well.

https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2020/05/...endu-a-mirabel

Unfortunate behaviour for the worst hit COVID region in Canada.

whatnext May 3, 2020 6:10 PM

Air Canada looks ahead. It strikes me that new cleaning procedures are going to torpedo the quick turnaround times airlines like WS prided themselves on:


Air Canada anticipates return of worldwide air travel by Christmas

An Air Canada vice president suggests that by the time winter holidays roll around again, Canadians will be able to board his company's planes and fly almost anywhere in the world.

But Tim Strauss said he knows that one of the biggest tasks involved in bringing air travel back to life after pandemic restrictions lift will be convincing the public it's safe to fly.

"I think by Christmas you will see a significant amount of flying again," said Strauss, vice president of cargo at Air Canada. "We'll be flying to most places around the world and certainly domestically."..


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/air...wide-1.5551402


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