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SignalHillHiker Feb 26, 2016 10:31 PM

It won't but I'll update it. Send me a PM if I miss an update.

G.S MTL Feb 26, 2016 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7350582)
It won't but I'll update it. Send me a PM if I miss an update.

ok good thanks!

jmt18325 Feb 26, 2016 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7350582)
It won't but I'll update it. Send me a PM if I miss an update.


How about updating the passenger stats on the front page?

SignalHillHiker Feb 26, 2016 11:10 PM

I can yeah. But I'll need to be spoon fed what to change.

jmt18325 Feb 26, 2016 11:30 PM

Maybe later when I'm not on my phone.

LeftCoaster Feb 27, 2016 1:29 AM

G.S fantastic job. Making my charts look positively boring!

Your YYZ chart really shows the dominance of Air Canada at YYZ. Pearson still has the most foreign tails, but YVR and YUL have proportionately many more for the amount of intl' they see compared to YYZ.

jmt18325 Feb 27, 2016 2:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7350582)
It won't but I'll update it. Send me a PM if I miss an update.

Okay, so get rid of the future plans stuff, as I don't have that at the moment, and many of those future plans have passed. Go with Passenger Stats:

1. Toronto Pearson International Airport - 41,036,847 (2015)
2. Vancouver International Airport - 20,315,978 (2015)
3. Calgary International Airport - 15,475,759 (2015)
4. Montreal-Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport - 14,840,067 (2014)
5. Edmonton International Airport - 7,981,076 (2015)
6. Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport - 4,656,360 (2015)
7. Winnipeg James Armstrong Richardson International Airport - 3,778,035 (2015)
8. Halifax Stanfield International Airport - 3,702,705 (2015)
9. Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport - 2,400,000 (2014)
10. Victoria International Airport - 1,710,825 (2015)
11. Kelowna International Airport - 1,593,606 (2015)
12. Quebec City Jean Lesage International Airport - 1,584,713 (2015)
13. St. John's International Airport - 1,536,000 (2015) - est
14. Saskatoon John G. Diefenbaker International Airport - 1,443,446 (2015)
15. Regina International Airport - 1,255,957 (2015)
16. Fort McMurray International Airport - 1,099,663 (2015)

These are all airports with over 1M passengers in Canada. Perhaps add it as a quote as you did with the destination list? I'll update the last few numbers to you as the become available.

SignalHillHiker Feb 27, 2016 2:36 AM

Done. Only took out the projected, as I didn't want to touch the rest.

Two thoughts...

Wow, the difference between TO and MTL is more than I thought.

Also, St. John's was the only one that was WAY less than what was projected. About 50% less than we were expected to be in 2015. Most of the rest were in the right range.

jmt18325 Feb 27, 2016 2:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7350870)
Done. Only took out the projected, as I didn't want to touch the rest.

Two thoughts...

Wow, the difference between TO and MTL is more than I thought.

Also, St. John's was the only one that was WAY less than what was projected. About 50% less than we were expected to be in 2015. Most of the rest were in the right range.


Just a quick correction - the number for Montreal are 2014. We don't have 2015 out yet.

SignalHillHiker Feb 27, 2016 2:50 AM

Fixed. Thanks!

G.S MTL Feb 27, 2016 8:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7350797)
G.S fantastic job. Making my charts look positively boring!

Your YYZ chart really shows the dominance of Air Canada at YYZ. Pearson still has the most foreign tails, but YVR and YUL have proportionately many more for the amount of intl' they see compared to YYZ.

Thanks to you! Your YVR chart helped me out a lot ! ;)

flipv Feb 27, 2016 1:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7350797)
G.S fantastic job. Making my charts look positively boring!

Your YYZ chart really shows the dominance of Air Canada at YYZ. Pearson still has the most foreign tails, but YVR and YUL have proportionately many more for the amount of intl' they see compared to YYZ.

Not to be the wet blanket but the Yyz list is missing two foreign tails

thenoflyzone Feb 27, 2016 3:28 PM

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Originally Posted by flipv (Post 7351117)
Not to be the wet blanket but the Yyz list is missing two foreign tails

Indeed. TAM and WOW Air.

flipv Feb 27, 2016 3:30 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7351163)
Indeed. TAM and WOW Air.

I didn't even notice TAM missing. I thought of WOW Air and Brussels Airlines. Just realized the 2pw TUI Netherlands is missing.

Let's make it easy for GS:

- 4pw WOW Air to Reykjavik with A321
- 5pw Brussels Airlines to Brussels with A333
- 2pw TUI Netherlands to Amsterdam with 763
- 2pw TAM Brazil to Sao Paolo with 763

Icelandair will also be a mix of 757/767 for S16.

thenoflyzone Feb 27, 2016 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by flipv (Post 7351164)
I didn't even notice TAM missing. I thought of WOW Air and Brussels Airlines.

So make that 3.....;)

Also, Jet Airways is Delhi/Amsterdam, not Delhi/LHR. This is why Brussels Airlines is starting YYZ. Because Jet is changing its scissor hub from BRU to AMS.

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7350509)
Added to the first post, GS.

You should also change the header to "Intercontinental summer destinations 2016". I know it says so within the lists, but just so there is no confusion.

thenoflyzone Feb 27, 2016 3:50 PM

That was quick SignalHillHiker ! Nice work.....

flipv Feb 27, 2016 4:01 PM

So CZ has applied for permission to fly CAN-YYZ 5pw with a 773.

Methinks S16 should be a go - they're looking to hire JFK and YYZ based pilots. March April start date.

http://www.bullhornreach.com/job/204...r-ntr-anywhere

ACT7 Feb 27, 2016 6:18 PM

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Originally Posted by flipv (Post 7350580)
I can't seem to book anything in August either. It's all via LHR or JFK.

Short sighted imo - they could've made this one work year round given the favourable connections to countless Russian cities and the elimination of YYZ's Aeroflot and Transaero routes.

YYZ has non-stop to Europe tied down. I'm waiting on JU's BEG service in 2018. Hopefully JFK works for them.

From CAPA, it looks like Finnair did indeed discountinue YYZ:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...irlines-247081

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Scheduling changes in Sep-2015 indicate Finnair will increase Chicago service, make Miami a year-round destination and discontinue Toronto service.
Weird, considering they only recently upgraded the service to 5 times weekly a couple of years ago.

Some subsidiary of Aeroflot is reconsidering YYZ for late 2016 or early 2017 so maybe Finnair is reconsidering their strategy, who knows. But this could have easily been a year round flight that should have worked.

Edit: Now checking their website, it still shows YYZ as a destination:

http://www.finnair.com/ca/gb/destina...merica/toronto

I'm confused...

ghYHZ Feb 27, 2016 6:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7346317)
Almost all trans-Atlantic flights once had to stop in Gander. There were tremendous benefits for us - if you go back through old newspapers in St. John's, there are advertisements for every conceivable airline, telling readers to speak to their local booking agent in St. John's and fly out of Gander. All of the celebrities of that era passed through. Canada was actually getting a bad reputation because all most people ever saw of it was Gander, and its old bush terminal. It was the federal government that built the award-winning terminal there for that reason:

https://flic.kr/p/cERQEJ

Yes, there’s just so much history at Gander Airport.....and sadly, when the modern Terminal Building opened in1959, it probably never saw its full potential. This was right at the dawn of the jet age with the new ‘707s and DC-8s now capable of overflying Gander on transatlantic flights. But go back just a couple of years into the mid ‘50s and a lot of the world’s major airlines were there with their Constellations, DC-4s, DC-6s etc .....Pan Am, TWA, BOAC, El Al Israel, Lufthansa, Air France, Alitalia, Sabena, Scandinavian, Swissair etc were all in Gander and pretty impressive for small town (population today: 10,000) in the wilds of central Newfoundland.

I’m in Gander often and usually while waiting for my return flight to Halifax on an Air Canada Express CRJ……I get a chance to look around and reminisce about what Gander once was.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n...2/DSC03851.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--...2/DSCN9834.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F...2/IMG_0188.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-p...2/IMG_0185.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Q...2/IMG_3667.JPG

During the Cold War Era and right up to 1989…….Gander was a well know place for defections to the West from the Soviet Bloc countries.

Aeroflot, Interflug (East Germany) Czechoslovak Airlines and Cubana…..all stopped there and many passengers got their first taste of freedom when allowed into the Gander Terminal while refueling…..then defected during the stopover.

Canada would have an iconic Mountie ‘conveniently’ stationed in the waiting room whom passengers could approach and ask for refugee status in Canada.

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-07-...-6066_1_gander

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/02/13/wo...defectors.html

The International Departures Lounge is now on the Heritage Canada - National Trust Top Ten Endangered Places. It’s listed as the "the most important modernist room in Canada” and could be demolished as the airport authority downsizes to a terminal that reflects the current level of traffic …..regional flights on CRJs, B-1900s, Dash-8s, Q-400s and seasonal ‘737s.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfou...pace-1.2711544

Here’s the Terminal in the 1970’s:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c.../Scan10105.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f.../Scan10101.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5.../Scan10102.JPG

That large mural is still there today and visible from a down-sized domestic gate area now partitioned off from the international lounge.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k...2/DSCN9831.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E...2/DSCN9832.JPG

And all that infrastructure is still there and probably will be even if the terminal building is downsized to handle the regular refueling stops or diversions just like it did on 9-11…..that fateful day when nearly 10,000 people just dropped in….. nearly doubling Gander’s population and they all had to be housed and fed for several days (watch NBC’s Tom Brokaw’s Gander piece here):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXbxoy4Mges

>>>>>>>

And just down the road from Gander......is Botwood, Newfoundland where the original Pan American Airways Terminal still stands from the transatlantic Flying Boat era and now a museum. It was a stopover on the route between LaGuardia (New York) Shediac, New Brunswick (Moncton) and Foynes, Ireland.

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...6/pa4506-2.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3...800-Ic42/1.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2...800-Ic42/2.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1...2/DSC02442.JPG

esquire Feb 27, 2016 7:57 PM

^ Amazing history. Gander Airport is much more than a piece of local history, it's really a heritage crown jewel.

I had never heard of Botwood before either... incredible that the humble old Pan Am Terminal is still there.


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