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tdavis Jun 22, 2009 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4318836)
Is this because San Diego has traditionally been a bastion of Republicanism?

I don't think it has anything to do with being a Republican. I'm a Republican but am for the majority of development projects. I just think we have poor leaders, who don't inspire and encourage citizens to see the value of certain projects. Thus the NIMBYism sticks around. For example, the airport vote a couple years ago at Miramar. If local leaders presented the measure to San Diegans in a way that the majority could see the economic benefit a larger airport with additional runways could have, while implementing measures to reduce sound, etc. I think the measure would have passed.

I can guarantee you the City Hall measure will most likely fail now that it is going to the people for the same reason. Most voters don't take the time to do their research and I bet the leadership will not convey that a new City Hall would combine the offices scattered all over for a cost savings in the long run.

So it isn't Republicans or Democrats. It's bad leadership all together!

sopas ej Jun 22, 2009 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tdavis (Post 4319774)
I don't think it has anything to do with being a Republican. I'm a Republican but am for the majority of development projects. I just think we have poor leaders, who don't inspire and encourage citizens to see the value of certain projects. Thus the NIMBYism sticks around. For example, the airport vote a couple years ago at Miramar. If local leaders presented the measure to San Diegans in a way that the majority could see the economic benefit a larger airport with additional runways could have, while implementing measures to reduce sound, etc. I think the measure would have passed.

I can guarantee you the City Hall measure will most likely fail now that it is going to the people for the same reason. Most voters don't take the time to do their research and I bet the leadership will not convey that a new City Hall would combine the offices scattered all over for a cost savings in the long run.

So it isn't Republicans or Democrats. It's bad leadership all together!

Bad leadership I suppose, yes; but it's statements like the following, which someone actually posted in response to the "New life for a new downtown library?" story (http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...mment-11134913), that make me still think that many San Diegans probably think this way: "If you want to read, go by a book at the store. Thats how capitalism works. Libraries are about as socialist as you can get."

I was appalled when I read that.

tdavis Jun 22, 2009 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4320543)
Bad leadership I suppose, yes; but it's statements like the following, which someone actually posted in response to the "New life for a new downtown library?" story (http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...mment-11134913), that make me still think that many San Diegans probably think this way: "If you want to read, go by a book at the store. Thats how capitalism works. Libraries are about as socialist as you can get."

I was appalled when I read that.

I agree that statement is appalling. But we can't lump all democrats and republicans into a category.

Marina_Guy Jun 23, 2009 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4320543)
Bad leadership I suppose, yes; but it's statements like the following, which someone actually posted in response to the "New life for a new downtown library?" story (http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...mment-11134913), that make me still think that many San Diegans probably think this way: "If you want to read, go by a book at the store. Thats how capitalism works. Libraries are about as socialist as you can get."

I was appalled when I read that.

Especially with the rest of the comment you left out
"build the Stadium!!!!!!"

Sad place is San Diego right now...

staplesla Jun 23, 2009 1:01 AM

Interesting press release regarding Cosmopolitan by the CCDC.

http://www.ccdc.com/events/resources...n%20Square.pdf

staplesla Jun 23, 2009 2:26 AM

Notice of default filed against Gaslamp Renaissance Hotel.

http://www.ccdc.com/events/resources...mp%20Hotel.pdf

HurricaneHugo Jun 23, 2009 5:51 AM

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Originally Posted by staplesla (Post 4320719)
Interesting press release regarding Cosmopolitan by the CCDC.

http://www.ccdc.com/events/resources...n%20Square.pdf

18 month extension?

I'll take it! :D

SDCAL Jun 23, 2009 6:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4320543)
Bad leadership I suppose, yes; but it's statements like the following, which someone actually posted in response to the "New life for a new downtown library?" story (http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...mment-11134913), that make me still think that many San Diegans probably think this way: "If you want to read, go by a book at the store. Thats how capitalism works. Libraries are about as socialist as you can get."

I was appalled when I read that.

I agree with you, I can barely read the comments that come out whenever a downtown library story makes the news because they are so ignorant.

One common thing people say is "we don't need libraries anymore now that we have the internet".

There is TONS of stuff I can't get off the internet, especially not for free, I think quotes like this come from people who think wikipedia serves all their in-depth research needs (I like wikipedia, but it's only for quick fact-getting info not in-depth research).

Another common thing people say is that we don't need a "central" library, we can just duplicate everything at all the various branch libraries.

Again, I think the people who write those things are people who only read stuff that is mainstream/basic and typically available at any well-stocked branch library. They don't realize there are specialized collections and less common specialty items that can't be found on the internet and are far to expensive to house in duplicate at every branch library. They also would not get enough use if replicated at all the branches, but having one public place in a metro of 3 million where such specialized materials can be housed in necessary

Derek Jun 24, 2009 6:47 AM

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Originally Posted by staplesla (Post 4320719)
Interesting press release regarding Cosmopolitan by the CCDC.

http://www.ccdc.com/events/resources...n%20Square.pdf



Too bad we can't see any real action.

Derek Jun 24, 2009 6:49 AM

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Originally Posted by staplesla (Post 4314154)
One calls it “brilliant.” A second sees it as a way to expand educational opportunities. A third views it as a last ditch-effort at saving a project headed for failure.

On Tuesday, June 23, members of the San Diego school board will take up a controversial plan to spend $20 million of district money to help build a long-delayed downtown library.

The proposal calls for the San Diego Unified School District to use money from Proposition S — a $2.1-billion voter-approved measure to improve and build public schools — for a charter high school on two floors of a nine-story library planned for city-owned land near Petco Park.

The $20 million would fund part of the library's construction cost and could be critical in keeping plans for the iconic structure afloat.

The school district would lease the sixth and seventh floors at Park Boulevard and J Street for 40 years under the deal. The district could back out of the deal if construction costs exceeded what's been budgeted or officials are unable to secure full funding, among other reasons.

The San Diego City Council's Rules Committee is expected to address the project the day after the school board. The council discussed the project in closed session Tuesday morning, but no action was taken, said Gina Coburn, spokeswoman for the City Attorney's Office.

Schools Superintendent Terry Grier said Tuesday that he thinks there's a “good chance” the school board will approve the project.

“It's a brilliant opportunity for our students,” said school board member Katherine Nakamura.

“I support the concept, and I support it really for one primary reason,” said Trustee Richard Barrera. “The options for high school students downtown are limited.”

San Diego High School is the only comprehensive high school campus in the area, but it has room for just 2,900 students, Barrera said. Yet there are 5,000 students living within the school's enrollment boundary.

But longtime trustee John de Beck reiterated his opposition to the plan yesterday. “It's a last-minute attempt at saving the library,” he said.

School board President Shelia Jackson and trustee John Evans could not be reached for comment.

Backers of the library say it will cost $185 million to build, a price that critics say is vastly understated. Downtown redevelopment dollars would provide $80 million, a state grant covers $20 million and a nonprofit foundation has raised $35 million, with more, it says, on its way.

One sticking point earlier in the planning was that adding a school to the library would require the building to comply with the state's Field Act -- long-standing state law intended to ensure that public schools are built earthquake-safe. Staff reports say a charter school doesn't have to comply with the Field Act, but would have to comply with state building code.

The city must show a viable financing plan by July 1 to keep the stategrant.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...mment-11134913



Good luck to them...

Fusey Jun 24, 2009 11:48 PM

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Chula Vista Out As Possible Chargers Stadium Site

CHULA VISTA, Calif. -- Despite two years of talks and studies, the city of Chula Vista is now off the list of possible sites for a new Chargers stadium.

"Just like any big project, you need to have advocates," said Chula Vista Deputy Mayor John McCann.

Chula Vista's city council came together Tuesday night to decide the fate of the just-formed Chargers subcommittee.

One week ago, the biggest obstacle to a stadium -- tearing down the South Bay Power Plant -- got even bigger when the options for power became fewer as a state commission rejected a new Peaker Plant in the South Bay.

"Obviously, it was a setback," said McCann.

On Monday, 10News learned McCann, a U.S. Navy reserve, was called to duty in Iraq and will serve for a year.

Chula Vista Mayor Cheryl Cox said, "Definitely Mr. McCann has been the No. 1 Chargers cheerleader."

Without McCann and not much sign of progress, a proposal to put the stadium subcommittee on hiatus was approved by the council.

In response, Chargers representative Mark Fabiani said, "This decision sends a message that they're not interested. With the city unable to get the power plant shut down, we will now walk away."

"I think it's a sad day for Chula Vista. It would have meant thousands of jobs for us," said McCann.

With Chula Vista now off the list, the Chargers said they are looking at several downtown San Diego sites as well as Oceanside.

Los Angeles remains in the picture, but the team said it is committed to the San Diego area for now.
http://www.10news.com/news/19849294/detail.html

staplesla Jun 25, 2009 2:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Fusey (Post 4324388)

The lack of leadership from anyone in San Diego county amazes me. If this continues for too much longer we will lose the Charges to L.A. or another city. I personally could care less about the Chargers, but having a professional football team is important to the image of a city and also attracting businesses.

Derek Jun 25, 2009 3:53 AM

Fuck this county. So much.

Fusey Jun 26, 2009 11:10 PM

Move to Spain, Derek. The paella is delicious.

staplesla Jun 27, 2009 3:48 AM

With Chula Vista no longer an option for a new football stadium for the Chargers, a contender both new and old could be emerging to keep the Bolts in town -- the city of San Diego, a team official said Friday.

The local NFL franchise wants a new facility to replace aging Qualcomm Stadium but has failed to forge deals in San Diego, Chula Vista, National City or Oceanside.

A provision in the team's lease allows them time to look into moving to other cities, but the window has closed for this year. Pre-season training camp opens next month.

After several years of riding pine due to financial problems and political opposition, the city of San Diego is back in the conversation, said Chargers special counsel Mark Fabiani.

The Chargers have held more discussions with San Diego officials in the past four months than during the entire four years of Mike Aguirre's tenure as city attorney, Fabiani said.

City employees appear to feel free to talk now that Aguirre is out of office, he said. "People are talking, people are interested. Nothing has jelled,"Fabiani said.

He said the "preliminary ideas" brought forth include property east of Petco Park, and another look at part of the Tenth Avenue Marine Terminal.

Renewed interest by the city stems from financial losses being taken at the current stadium in Mission Valley, which sits empty except for football games and occasional special events, he said. The land could raise a substantial amount of money if sold.

Darren Pudgil of Mayor Jerry Sanders' office said no sites have been taken off the table. "There have been some informal talks between the city and the Chargers," Pudgil said. "Those will continue. The mayor is committed to finding a home for the Chargers somewhere in the San Diego region."

The Chargers are currently studying 90 acres along state Route 76 in Oceanside that was once home to the Valley Drive-In.

That site has complications, in that it's close to a municipal airport and a developer has been granted a permit to build 950,000 square feet of commercial space there.

"Our view is it's worth exploring," Fabiani said. He said the team's courtship with Chula Vista ran into multiple problems. The team's leading booster on the city council in Chula Vista, John McCann, is deploying to Iraq next month with the Naval Reserves for one year.

A plan to replace a power plant at the proposed bayfront site was denied recently by the state Public Utilities Commission, Fabiani said. "Without that bayfront site being available, there's not much more we can do," Fabiani said.

He also said the Chula Vista City Council voted this week to disband a Chargers sub-committee.

Chula Vista could return as a prospective site if the bayfront power plant is shut down, he said.

Fabiani cautioned that every proposed site will have some obstacles. The economic conditions are also a barrier, but Dean Spanos, the team president, would like to find a site now with hope that the markets are improved by the time financing is needed, he said.

http://www.10news.com/news/19874676/detail.html

Derek Jun 27, 2009 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by staplesla (Post 4328598)
With Chula Vista no longer an option for a new football stadium for the Chargers, a contender both new and old could be emerging to keep the Bolts in town -- the city of San Diego, a team official said Friday.

The local NFL franchise wants a new facility to replace aging Qualcomm Stadium but has failed to forge deals in San Diego, Chula Vista, National City or Oceanside.

A provision in the team's lease allows them time to look into moving to other cities, but the window has closed for this year. Pre-season training camp opens next month.

After several years of riding pine due to financial problems and political opposition, the city of San Diego is back in the conversation, said Chargers special counsel Mark Fabiani.

The Chargers have held more discussions with San Diego officials in the past four months than during the entire four years of Mike Aguirre's tenure as city attorney, Fabiani said.

City employees appear to feel free to talk now that Aguirre is out of office, he said. "People are talking, people are interested. Nothing has jelled,"Fabiani said.

He said the "preliminary ideas" brought forth include property east of Petco Park, and another look at part of the Tenth Avenue Marine Terminal.

Renewed interest by the city stems from financial losses being taken at the current stadium in Mission Valley, which sits empty except for football games and occasional special events, he said. The land could raise a substantial amount of money if sold.

Darren Pudgil of Mayor Jerry Sanders' office said no sites have been taken off the table. "There have been some informal talks between the city and the Chargers," Pudgil said. "Those will continue. The mayor is committed to finding a home for the Chargers somewhere in the San Diego region."

The Chargers are currently studying 90 acres along state Route 76 in Oceanside that was once home to the Valley Drive-In.

That site has complications, in that it's close to a municipal airport and a developer has been granted a permit to build 950,000 square feet of commercial space there.

"Our view is it's worth exploring," Fabiani said. He said the team's courtship with Chula Vista ran into multiple problems. The team's leading booster on the city council in Chula Vista, John McCann, is deploying to Iraq next month with the Naval Reserves for one year.

A plan to replace a power plant at the proposed bayfront site was denied recently by the state Public Utilities Commission, Fabiani said. "Without that bayfront site being available, there's not much more we can do," Fabiani said.

He also said the Chula Vista City Council voted this week to disband a Chargers sub-committee.

Chula Vista could return as a prospective site if the bayfront power plant is shut down, he said.

Fabiani cautioned that every proposed site will have some obstacles. The economic conditions are also a barrier, but Dean Spanos, the team president, would like to find a site now with hope that the markets are improved by the time financing is needed, he said.

http://www.10news.com/news/19874676/detail.html



All talk!

Derek Jun 27, 2009 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fusey (Post 4328283)
Move to Spain, Derek. The paella is delicious.



The girl and I may be moving to Chicago in a few years. We'll see how it plays out.

PadreHomer Jun 28, 2009 6:00 PM

Property east of Petco would be my dream location

Crackertastik Jun 29, 2009 4:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PadreHomer (Post 4330297)
Property east of Petco would be my dream location

Completely Agree...I think its the best set up area for a Large Crowd, including parking and all that jazz. Best for pregaming it, in the gaslamp, and best for location for Super Bowls, etc.

THAT would be a dream come true.

eburress Jun 29, 2009 8:25 PM

^^ Unfortunately, I am afraid a dream is all that will ever be.


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