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ardecila Dec 6, 2020 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 9125819)
^ Don't forget about the Metra Electric line, which runs under McCormick and will have a reduced fare pilot starting January.

If the fare pilot becomes permanent and more service is run, it would be the ideal route to shuttle hundreds of tourists from the Loop and McCormick

Eh, local transit is not the best way to transport a bunch of conventioneers - many of whom will be confused by the long underground passages and the ticket/fare policies of Metra.

Best case is that Metra Electric establishes a fare-free zone between Millennium and McCormick, and builds a highly visible station entrance at Michigan/Randolph as they intended back in the early 2010s.

psxvz Dec 6, 2020 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kngkyle (Post 9126393)
It makes the most sense as part of this development. It would be the catalyst needed to make this not be a pipedream. https://www.onecentralchicago.com/

Benefits:
- direct access to LSD, reducing traffic impact to local roads
- location is ideal in proximity to McCormick Place and the tourist attractions of the Museum Campus/Soldier Field, not right downtown but close
- direct train access from Millennium Park/the dedicated bus lane to McCormick place could be used for casino shuttles
- large enough site to have the 200-300k sqft single gaming floor that is desired

Drawbacks:
- residents will throw a fit (applicable to any location with residential in proximity)

This thing was a long shot before covid.

No is going build a casino because maybe a decade from now there will be a development over there.

Goose Island Guru Dec 8, 2020 3:10 AM

One Central makes a lot of sense.

Thompson Center could be a natural fit. Think gambling floor in the lower level where the food court is and hotel rooms higher up looking down like an atrium hotel.

I have no idea how the area of that lower level fits in what an operator would want or need but from a functional standpoint it seems to make a lot of sense.

Kumdogmillionaire Dec 10, 2020 3:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Goose Island Guru (Post 9127671)
One Central makes a lot of sense.

Thompson Center could be a natural fit. Think gambling floor in the lower level where the food court is and hotel rooms higher up looking down like an atrium hotel.

I have no idea how the area of that lower level fits in what an operator would want or need but from a functional standpoint it seems to make a lot of sense.

It would cost more to make Thompson center a viable Casino than it would to just build a new state of the art building. I don't get why so many people still fetishize the concept of reusing a failed building

Austin55 Dec 16, 2020 4:24 AM

Because it’s an awesome building.

jpIllInoIs Feb 4, 2021 1:56 AM

One Central is a fantasy proposal with huge hurdles to overcome. Why entangle the Casino with the proposal? Even if One central somehow manages to break ground it will be a decade before anything is built. Thompson center, Medina Temple, Lakeside Center in McMk are all ready for conversion NOW!!

HomrQT Feb 9, 2021 8:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin55 (Post 9135063)
Because it’s an awesome building.

If you are referring to the Thompson Center I disagree. The atrium is kind of cool but the building itself sucks both inside and out. Lets build a better building and maybe include another atrium.

LouisVanDerWright Feb 10, 2021 1:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HomrQT (Post 9185879)
If you are referring to the Thompson Center I disagree. The atrium is kind of cool but the building itself sucks both inside and out. Lets build a better building and maybe include another atrium.

Sounds great, but you do realize that nothing like Thomson Center will be built again and the end result will likely be a B37 clone. Remember B37 technically has a "large public atrium" as well...

That's the problem with giving any ground on preservation, once you have a spectacular building like Thomson Center, the odds of coming up with anything similarly stunning is virtually zero.

Chi-Sky21 Feb 10, 2021 2:19 PM

Nothing like it being built again is a blessing and you are assuming it will end up like B37. If the city is going to make the next owner preserve that garbage there is no way they are going to be able to sell for anywhere near what they want and what the land is worth. And THAT is why it is toast.

OrdoSeclorum Feb 10, 2021 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Sky21 (Post 9186542)
Nothing like it being built again is a blessing and you are assuming it will end up like B37. If the city is going to make the next owner preserve that garbage there is no way they are going to be able to sell for anywhere near what they want and what the land is worth. And THAT is why it is toast.

My personal feeling is that I don't like the Thompson Center but I also wish for it to be preserved, since it's so unique. My understanding is that it needs $325 million in maintenance. That's fine if it's the Merchandise Mart, but since the interior space is so inefficiently used, I simply don't see any reasonable path to preserve this building.

I suppose if it was landmarked and given some other designations the State could sell it for $1. But this is essentially no different from the State paying to preserve it for $325,000,000. Maybe in a different budget era that would happen, but in almost no circumstance is that a good use of funds. I'd rather see than money spent to preserve hundreds or thousands of less prominent, distributed buildings all over the city.

If we get a tall office tower there, or thousands of residences, an extremely high-intensity use there would benefit the whole Loop and thus the whole city. The worst case scenario is some sort of middling Block 37 type pablum, of course.

Toasty Joe Feb 10, 2021 4:54 PM

^exactly

IrishIllini Feb 10, 2021 10:22 PM

The real loss here is the Sherman House.

LouisVanDerWright Feb 11, 2021 2:05 AM

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Originally Posted by IrishIllini (Post 9187253)
The real loss here is the Sherman House.

I agree that we shouldn't have trashed many buildings in Chicago history, but the Sherman House was already totally neutered by the time it was demolished. It was also faux french second empire bullshit to Begin with. Not anywhere near the scale of a CSX or Garrick or Masonic Temple.

r18tdi Feb 11, 2021 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 9186488)
Sounds great, but you do realize that nothing like Thomson Center will be built again and the end result will likely be a B37 clone.

This is worth repeating. Again, and again.


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