Or you just just post your link to where Madani said it and we can go and check it out for ourselves?

Or maybe you can't "because it goes against the grain of your narrative?"

Why should I do your work for you. He said it, I could care less if you guys believe it or not. The reason people remember it, as I said before, was that it seemed a positive thing that seat sold revenue could be that low in light of his almost total CFL trolling which was so blatantly obvious that the CFL PR guy actually called him out on it, an almost unprecedented thing for a pro league employee to do. Or is him being called out by the CFL PR guy something else not to believe?

Just read that the Argos attendance is based on scanned tickets (AIS) asses in seats and not tickets sold. Interesting. A proper (and truthful) rebuild is in the works.

Hey all, this may have been covered earlier but just wondering how viewers per game (particularly CFL) on TV, are measured?

Jay's get very good numbers in Alberta and BC, Saskatchewan as well has good Jay's TV numbers. Jay's are a true national brand, maybe are only in professional sports.

Look, as much as I like the CFL game - it's so bush league!

I mean come on, half the players are NFL rejects..

There are only 9 teams..

The fucked-up, crossover playoff thing..

It's fun, entertaining, but difficult to take seriously.

It's totally bush league.

But I have tickets!

CFL is awesome... half the players are college stars who just didn't fit the NFL mould. A lot of them are every bit as athletic as any in the NFL. I don't think I've ever heard the KHL or Swedish elite league or Swiss elite hockey league called bush, due to them having non NHL players, just different leagues offering different experiences, all very entertaining! I wonder if the fans in those respective countries bash their own league because it's not the NHL, or if that is just a Canadian thing to do?

Having a small league makes it better I think, not having to follow 30+ teams makes it easier to follow the league as a whole. I mean, the NHL used to have only 6 teams and I've never heard them be called bush!

I think the league shouldn't be separated in 2 divisions, rather one division with the top team from the east and top from the west having bye weeks in first round of playoffs.

Sometimes any league can be difficult to take serious. With arenas half full in Carolina or Phoenix, how can anyone in those markets take the league or the game serious.

I sometimes have a difficult time taking other sports leagues serious, based on salaries. For example, the NBA with people getting paid $40+ million a year to play a game which only lasts 48 minutes!! Plus all the timeouts and intentional fouls... I find it very difficult to take that serious... or soccer in general, players rolling on the field like they've just been shot!... or baseball with games taking 4+ hours...

Sometimes it is difficult to take the CFL serious too, with some of the crappy calls that are made, especially one that have no effect on the play itself whatsoever.

It's all personal preference really.

Sounds like the typical Canadian inferiority complex, which makes for a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Let's face it, if we don't support the CFL and its generally exciting brand of football, the end product will be one NFL team in Toronto with the Toronto media ramming it down the rest of the country's throats, just like the Blue Jays and the Raptors.

Perhaps, we should call the NHL bush league too because there is teams in Canada's smaller cities. I have been told that Ottawa doesn't deserve an NHL team, so why not go to the one team serves all for Canada.

At that point, I will tune out of pro sports entirely.

Numeris

Diary Surveys – from design to data delivery

1. The geographic markets used for measuring and reporting radio and TV audiences are defined using data from Statistics Canada and Canada Post.

2. Survey Design staff determines the number of respondents, diary mail-outs and telephone listings needed to conduct each survey in each market.

3. A process called RDD (Random Digit Dialing) is used in each market as the basis for the weekly survey recruitment.

4. Enumeration departments in Montreal, Toronto and Moncton recruit households to participate in each upcoming survey and Diary packages are delivered to all participants in each household.

5. Diary information is captured by an electronic scanning system. Data is validated and processed.

6. Following a final data check, radio and TV database files are produced and supplied to third party processors for distribution to members via electronic software programs.

7. Once surveys have been processed, approved and released, members can then access opinions expressed on the comments page of each diary.

Panel Meter – from design to data delivery

1. Each month, approximately 50,000 randomly selected homes with a landline or mobile telephone are called.

2. A large-scale, monthly telephone survey called an Establishment Survey is conducted to determine the status of households within each of the meter markets.

3. Candidates are randomly selected from the Establishment Survey sample frame to take part in the Electronic Meter Panel.

4. Once a household is recruited, it receives a package containing a Personal People Meter (PPM), a portable charger and a headphone adapter for each household member.

5. Each household is assigned a Panel Administration Team member who remains in contact throughout participation, answering questions, updating household information, and providing coaching to encourage each member of the home to meet the minimum carrying times each day.

6. The PPM is carried by each member of the home who is two years of age or older. It automatically records and time-stamps inaudible codes that are embedded in the audio of television and radio signals.

7. Each respondent's data is checked for compliance and validated against metrics at the household level.

8. Once final data checks are complete, radio and TV database files are produced and supplied to third party processors for distribution to members via electronic software.

9. Television databases are released daily and radio databases are released monthly.

BC & Alberta have more NFL football fans than MLB baseball fans & Saskatchewan has twice as many NFL fans as MBL fans so its kinda hard to say Jay's have good numbers in the West especially considering there are no NFL teams in Canada.

Also seriously using the term 'bush league' in reference to a sport is only used by men who can't play sports very well themselves & who are trying to compensate for something very very small.

So, head to head a Sunday Blue Jay's game will not our draw a NFL game at the same time in these provinces? I find it hard to believe. NFL barley does 100k nationally at times for many games.

It depends on whether you are talking about an in contention Jays or the back to reality Jays which can be a half million person difference.

And the NFL has been drawing much better (I am loathe to say) because of the full push they get from Bell and being aired on the full CTV network which has up to a 20% greater reach than TSN. This disparity can only get bigger IMO with the cord cutting phenomena in full swing. The CFL has got to somehow get some games (at least the Grey Cup) on CTV before Bell builds the monster that will kill them.

And IIRC, like hockey if there are three NFL games on at the same time the rating numbers are lumped together.

I think it goes the other way around. The guys promoting bush leagues as better than the premier leagues are compensating for wee wee willies instead of excepting it for what it is.

Legitimate question:

Why the comparison between MLB and the CFL here? Do the fanbases overlap that much (other than playing during part of the other's season)?

It's like comparing a steakhouse to an Italian restaurant. Yeah, they both fall under the category of 'restaurants' but a direct comparison would be silly as to which is better. The groups that passionately follow either may not really overlap.

I see the comparison for NFL vs. CFL numbers - it's pretty likely that fans overlap there.

And who is doing that? And what is your definition of better, higher salaries? more camera angles? bigger supposedly "better" players?

By parts of that definition that counts leagues such as the KHL, the EPL and all women's sports as "bush league" or less than the best. And that supposition is stupid.

Those that use the terms "bush league" are the water cooler, office pool crowd who are clueless because they only know the side of the argument that has been force fed to them and that they have happily and gullibly (sic) lapped up.

What pisses people off is when people come on here and deride someone else's sport as not good entertainment and worthy of one's time. If I've done that, my apologies, but it would almost always be because someone else has done it first and I'm letting them know it's not acceptable to me.

Every sport, no matter how much money and how high profile, has had its "fail" moments, they can all be made to look "bush league"

I used to enjoy clicking on sports threads and seeing JHikka's stats (which he generously takes the time to collate) for many of the sports leagues in this country. Anyone who takes an interest in the business dide of sports is going to find that info interesting. MLS only posts numbers at the end of the year, it's really cool being able to see the numbers every month as well as the progress or developments in other leagues. I say we give the guy a break and let him do his schpeel as long as people find value in it.

July 25-30, 2017

TORONTO/ANAHEIM...............JULY 28-30...MLB...ROGERS CENTRE...TORONTO.........44,394 (133,182 TOTAL)
TORONTO/OAKLAND..............JULY 25-27...MLB...ROGERS CENTRE...TORONTO.........43,364 (130,092 TOTAL)
SASKATCHEWAN/TORONTO...JULY 29.........CFL...MOSAIC.................REGINA..........33,350
EDMONTON/BC.....................JULY 28........CFL...COMMONWEALTH...EDMONTON......32,837
TORONTO/NYCFC...................JULY 30.......MLS....BMO FIELD...........TORONTO........29,203

WINNIPEG/MONTREAL.....JULY 27....CFL....IGF............WINNIPEG.....25,931
CALGARY/HAMILTON.......JULY 29....CFL...MCMAHON....CALGARY......25,492
OTTAWA/TFCII...............JULY 29....USL....TD PLACE.....OTTAWA.......6,763
EDMONTON/INDY...........JULY 30....NASL...CLARKE.....EDMONTON.....3,285

Notes:

• Blue Jays continue with great attendance despite lagging behind in standings
• Roughriders sell out
• Eskimos continue their 30K+ streak
• TFC get their highest attendance of the season

Wpg had a few more fans that Cgy. Not a knock of Cgy, just disappointing.

WINNIPEG/MONTREAL.....JULY 27....CFL....IGF............WINNIPEG.....25,931
CALGARY/HAMILTON.......JULY 29....CFL...MCMAHON....CALGARY......25,492

McMahon is an utter disgrace to the city of Calgary.

How many of these would be sell outs?
Regina for sure, maybe Edmonton soccer?

Monday July 31

Bellingham Bells at Victoria Harbourcats - West Coast League - 2262

Regina was a sellout for CFL. I believe Clarke's capacity for FC Edmonton games is ~4K but don't quote me on it. They're having their best season ever for attendance by what I can find but they're usually shy of selling out.

I don't generally play the bush league rhetoric game but frankly if we go there the MLS is definitely bush compared to the EPL Bundesliga La Liga and Série A. It's arguably even bush compared to the French league.

BTW I like MLS. I watched Mtl-Orl tonight.

August 1-6, 2017
EDMONTON/HAMILTON.....AUG 4....CFL.....COMMONWEALTH.....EDMONTON....27,078
OTTAWA/WINNIPEG.........AUG 4.....CFL.....TD PLACE.............OTTAWA..........23,725
BC/SASKATCHEWAN.........AUG 5....CFL.....BC PLACE..............VANCOUVER....23,415
MONTREAL/ORLANDO.......AUG 5.....MLS....STADE SAPUTO........MONTREAL...20,801
TORONTO/CALGARY..........AUG 3.....CFL.....BMO FIELD.............TORONTO.....11,616
OTTAWA/BETHELEM..........AUG 5....USL.....TD PLACE...............OTTAWA........4,630

It was half in jest response to Saskscraper. He's fun.

Bush league can be a derogatory term to some however, I'm in no way implying that a bush league is not fun or a waste of time to follow. That's your own conclusion. I follow some bush league sports and I proudly call it as such.

The CFL is not the top league in our coverage area. The actual game of football (not including all the ancillary activities promoting the NFL) is a niche market in Toronto. That's being rational.

People may not like the idea or its execution but this is good marketing that helps create brand awareness without beating you on the head.

Riders Make “President Carter” Throwback Radio Feature To Support Duron For #CatchOfTheYear
Max Rosenberg The Snap

https://twitter.com/sskroughriders/s...00850536808448

The use of the old radio voice over is A+. Well done Riders.

Most Jays games against popular teams are sellouts, even if the fans don't show. I'm heading to the Yankees game tonight and those tickets go fast early in the year. I'm sure the crowd will be between-41-42500 tonight.

Shania Twain to headline Grey Cup halftime.

Aug 8-13, 2017
TORONTO/PITTSBURGH...AUG 11-13...MLB....ROGERS....TORONTO...41,771...(125,132 TOTAL)
TORONTO/YANKEES..........AUG 8-10...MLB...ROGERS....TORONTO....41,454...(124,362 TOTAL)
SASKATCHEWAN/BC..........AUG 13.....CFL.....MOSAIC.....REGINA......33,350
TORONTO/PORTLAND..........AUG 12....MLS....BMO FIELD..TORONTO..28,415
OTTAWA/EDMONTON...........AUG 10....CFL....TD PLACE....OTTAWA....23,851

HAMILTON/WINNIPEG....AUG 12...CFL...TIM HORTONS....HAMILTON...23,517
MONTREAL/TORONTO.....AUG 11...CFL...MOLSON...........MONTREAL...19,712
OTTAWA/CHARLOTTE.....AUG 12...USL....TD PLACE.........OTTAWA......4,360

Notes

• Although the Jays continue with strong numbers their Friday night game against Pittsburgh (35,965) was their lowest turnout since May. We'll have to see how numbers hold in August/September now that they're effectively eliminated from the postseason.
• Riders sellout
• TFC continues high 20Ks
• REDBLACKS and Ti-Cats continue near-capacity

Now you Know: Grey Cup halftime shows

In this edition of Now you Know, Kate McKenna takes a closer look at past Grey Cup halftime performances and all the behind the scenes incidents you likely haven't heard about.

Riders beat Jays, post best TV number of the CFL season

Posted on August 16, 2017 by Drew Edwards
http://3downnation.com/2017/08/16/ri...er-cfl-season/

"The Saskatchewan Roughriders 41-8 demolition of the B.C. Lions last Sunday was the most-watched CFL game on TSN so far this season.

The Riders-Leos match up even beat the Toronto Blue Jays, their 750,000 average audience besting the 721,000 the Jays posted on rival Sportsnet. The two games did not go head-to-head, however: the baseball game started at 1 p.m. EST (11 a.m. local time in Saskatchewan) while the CFL began at 8 p.m. EST (6 p.m. Saskie time.)..."

Aug 14-20, 2017
TORONTO/TAMPA.....AUG 14-17....MLB....ROGERS............TORONTO.......37,377...(149,508 TOTAL)
WINNIPEG/EDMONTON.AUG 17.......CFL.....IGF....................WINNIPEG...30,554
HAMILTON/OTTAWA.....AUG 18.......CFL.....TIM HORTONS.....HAMILTON...23,524
VANCOUVER/HOUSTON..AUG 19.....MLS....BC PLACE...........VANCOUVER...21,183
BC/CALGARY..........AUG 18............CFL.......BC PLACE........VANCOUVER..20,622

MONTREAL/CHICAGO......AUG 16....MLS....SAPUTO....MONTREAL...19,894
MONTREAL/SALT LAKE.....AUG 19...MLS....SAPUTO.....MONTREAL...19,541
TORONTO/MONTREAL......AUG 19....CFL....BMO...........TORONTO...16,326
TORONTO/NEWCASTLE.....AUG 19...RFLIII..LAMPORT...TORONTO....7,522
EDMONTON/PUERTO RICO..AUG 20..NASL..CLARKE...EDMONTON..3,414

Notes:

• Blue Jays come back down to earth
• IMFC double feature
• Wolfpack playoffs

It's pretty obvious the Ti-cats were using tickets distributed instead of actual attendance since last season. There was always very little variation in the number regardless of how it looked in the stands. This last game had quite a lot of empty seats, and yet the number barely changed. Actual attendance probably sat at around 20k.

Agree, I have seasons seats, and there has been noticeably fewer people each game... don't know how much longer they can keep pretending they're sellouts :shrug:

Paulo Senra‏ @paulosenra Aug 25

Last night's @Wpg_BlueBombers vs. @MTLAlouettes double overtime thriller averaged 714,000 viewers nationally on @TSN_Sports & @RDSca. #CFL

Shania Twain impresses Bouchard, Pospisil much

Shania Twain will headline the US Open opening ceremony on Monday night in New York. And she has a couple of big fans in fellow Canadians Genie Bouchard and Vasek Pospisil who have fond memories of listening to the Country music sensation growing up.

Aug 21-27
Toronto/Minnesota........MLB.....Rogers...................41,865..(125,594 TOTAL)
Edmonton/Saskatchewan...CFL....Commonwealth.....41,738
Toronto FC/Philadelphia...MLS......BMO...................28,645
Calgary/Toronto.............CFL....McMahon................26,150
Ottawa/BC...................CFL.....TD Place.................24,887

Montreal/Toronto............MLS.....Saputo....20,801
Montreal/Winnipeg...........CFL....Molson.....18,564
Ottawa Fury FC/NYRBII...USL....TD Place....6,694

Notes:

• Blue Jays attendance continues despite woes
• Highest Eskimos attendance since Week 14, 2014
• Season-high for REDBLACKS
• Lowest attendance for Alouettes since 1999

The lower bowl of BMO Field has been mostly sold for Canada's friendly against Jamaica on Saturday. Upper deck seats now being sold.

Would the SK@EDM game be the highest (single) game attendance this season for the CFL?

I don't have numbers on me right now but I believe you're correct. Edmonton typically sets the high water mark given that Commonwealth's capacity is so much higher than other stadiums in the league.

And it typically happens either against Saskatchewan right at this time of year, or at the Eskimos home game vs. Calgary that either precedes or follows the Labour Day game.

Scotiabank will be taking over the naming rights of the Air Canada Centre in Toronto starting next July. $800M over 20 years. This is ten times the figure Air Canada has been paying annually since 1999 ($4M/year versus $40M/year announced today.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/mlse-agrees...abank-1.842133

Quite a few empty seats for the Canada Jamaica friendly in Toronto. Quite surprising considering the large population of not only Canadians but Jamaicans in Toronto.

...and it's a Saturday night with no rain.

21600 announced.

They had originally only been selling seats in the lower bowl for the game and had opened up the upper section on the west stand a few days ago. 21,724 is a good crowd for a friendly but I wouldn't consider it great by any stretch.

http://www.canadasoccer.com/great-cr...oronto-p161127

"It marked the second-highest crowd for a Men's National Team international soccer match in Toronto (all competitions) and also the second-highest attendance for an international friendly since a 1994 pre-FIFA World Cup friendly with Brazil."

That's actually quite surprising (and not all that good). A fairly big discrepancy, because the attendance that day in Edmonton was 51,922.

All is not bad however because that was a great historical day in Edmonton. "Berdusco, Berdusco" "Brazil caught dreaming"

• Video Link

Bombers at Riders - Sellout
Attendance: 33,350

One of the better TSN covered games I've seen in a while. Lots of shots showing off the crowd and NMS.

Previous five CMNT friendly matches played in Canada:

Sept 2, 2017...BMO Field..........v. Jamaica........21,724
Jun 13, 2017...Saputo..............v. Curacao.........6,026
Sept 9, 2014...BMO Field.........v. Jamaica.........12,162
May 18, 2013..Commonwealth...v. Costa Rica.....8,102
Jun 3, 2012.....BMO Field..........v. USA............15,247

The CWNT will host the US at BC Place on November 9th.

2017 Banjo Bowl presented by Casinos of Winnipeg – SOLD OUT
Rhéanne M bluebombers.com August 30, 2017

WINNIPEG, MB., August 30, 2017 – The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the September 9th Banjo Bowl presented by Casinos of Winnipeg is sold out.

Bomber fans are encouraged to wear royal blue to next week’s Banjo Bowl, and the Bomber Store will open at 8:00 a.m. for those wishing to purchase team merchandise. As well, the Pre-game at the Tailgate presented by Duraco Windows will open at 11:30 a.m. on September 9th, with kickoff slated for 2:00p.m. Fans are encouraged to be in their seats for the opening kickoff to ensure they will be captured in the 360° panoramic imaging that will be taken of Investors Group Field prior to kickoff. This image will later be available at the Bomber Store.

Tickets for the club’s next home game following the Banjo Bowl, Friday, September 22nd against the Ottawa REDBLACKS (7:00 p.m. kickoff), continue to move very quickly, and are available for purchase here. The 22nd will include a special ceremony of the unveiling of the Cal Murphy statue, and is also the annual Police Appreciation Game featuring the Police Pipe Band as a halftime performance.

The club has a record of 7-2 heading into the Labour Day Classic in Regina this weekend, and sits one point out of first place in the West Division behind the Calgary Stampeders (7-1-1).