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In fact, if it existed within the framework of annexation-happy Houston, it likely wouldn't even be an independent municipality. It has a population density of 10K ppsm and its downtown has been organically growing around its metra commuter rail stop for roughly 150 years now. Quote:
That lakefront string of highrises doesn't stop until you get up to Loyola U. in Rogers Park, about 9 miles north of the loop. Then there's a roughly 3 mile gap of not much in the way of highrises until you get up to downtown Evanston. |
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I’ll stop. Soon. |
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In CA? The annexation process is ridiculous, so counties have a better chance at growing.
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I would be interested by several figures. The number of jobs in each city. |
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sorry for my confusion. in chicago "lincoln park" defaults to the neighborhood 99 times out of 100. the lakefront park the neighborhood takes its name from does indeed technically stretch MUCH further north, over 5.5 miles north to south from north avenue beach all the way up to hollywood beach. but when you say "lincoln park" in chicago, most people will simply think you're talking about the neighborhood, not the park, unless you specify (ie. "it's over in lincoln park, the park, not the neighborhood") |
That's a good point, it didn't dawn on me that the neighborhood is probably better known than the park which is the first thing I think of when I see 'Lincoln park' as well...since it's such a cool area.
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^ yeah, it can be a bit confusing because LP - the park runs so much further north along the lake than LP - the neighborhood.
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^^ 20 something college grads can still afford Lincoln Park? That's news to me :haha:
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While NY/Philly borders aren’t as geographically distinct as LA/SD, there is substantial spread between the two.
I technically live in central NJ and also lived in SoCal and can tell you going down to Philly seems almost just as much of a trek than say Irvine to San Diego. Philly is a bit to far, distinct and large enough to be a secondary city in a CSA. Heck, I know quite a few people around Baltimore who would attest there should be no merging with DC(same with Providence and Boston). Fort Worth, St. Paul, Tacoma, Fort Lauderdale, San Jose feel more linked in that respect. |
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after like a 10 second zillow search, i found a 3 bed/2bath 1,450 SF apartment in Lincoln Park currently for rent for $2,100/month (right near Jonquil Park and like 2 blocks from diversey brown line, so car-free would be totally doable) https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2...67934053_zpid/ split between 3 people that's only $700/month per man. i would think that most 20-something college grads in 2022 can swing that (especially without a car). you wouldn't even necessarily need a rockstar job. Quote:
the problem is that too many people equate the CSA definition with some kind of "city without municipal borders" measure, like a metro area or something, when that's not what the CSA really does. it measures economically intertwined "regions", not individual "cities". DC and Baltimore will never be the same "city". yeah, they're very close to each other, and fairly economically intertwined these days, but there's too much history and critical mass gravity in each of them to ever be one single place. Quote:
for starters, they directly abut each other, sharing a 6 mile long municipal border. their populations and sizes are pretty close; minneapolis: 430K on 54 sq. miles vs. st. paul: 312K on 52 sq. miles. they were both incorporated very close in time. minneapolis 1867 vs. st. paul 1854. the two downtowns are only 8.5 miles apart, connected by an intra-city light rail line, not commuter rail or amtrak. they split major league sports. MLB, NFL, & NBA are in minneapolis. NHL & MLS are in st. paul. (notice how all the major sports teams are named "minnesota", never one city over the other). the main art museums and convention center are in minneapolis, the main science and history museums are in st. paul. minneapolis has the flagship university of minnesota, whereas st. paul is the state capital. and on and on. they really do function more like one single city with two major downtown nodes than any other large US city pair that i can think of. |
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Chicago's mass transit rail system is simply gargantuan, and a treasure. We really need to put that system into better & more optimized use. More population, more density. |
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Also, to clarify, I don't think anyone is seriously arguing that Philadelphia is a satellite of New York. Nobody is commuting from Glen Mills to Manhattan or Mineola to Philadelphia. But there's an ambiguous zone between NY and Philadelphia that is definitely bigger in population than the ambiguous area between L.A. and San Diego. |
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some approximate downtown-to-downtown distances (as the crow flies) of commonly cited city pairs:
minneapolis -> st. paul: 9 miles (same MSA) LA -> long beach: 20 miles (same MSA) miami -> ft. lauderdale: 25 miles (same MSA) seattle -> tacoma: 25 miles (same MSA) dallas -> ft. worth: 31 miles (same MSA) DC -> baltimore: 35 miles (same CSA) boston -> providence: 41 miles (same CSA) SF -> san jose: 42 miles (same CSA) **** then a big gap **** SF -> sacramento: 73 miles austin -> san antonio: 73 miles tampa -> orlando: 77 miles NYC -> philly: 80 miles chicago -> milwaukee: 81 miles LA -> san diego: 112 miles |
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