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Calfan12 Feb 7, 2022 4:58 AM

WestJet has started to make some changes to its Summer 2022 schedule already & signal it will be announced/ released in the coming weeks!!

It looks like Calgary YYC - Austin,US seasonal routing has been suspended/removed indefinitely.
WS YYC- Denver resume date pushed back to May 19.
WS YYC- Boston its start date pushed back to June 30.

WS Vancouver to San Diego route has been pushed back to May 19.

Currently no changes yet to WS Europe schedule flights & with delays to deliveries of 787 planes ✈️,some changes to Europe flights out of Calgary, Toronto & Vancouver are quite possible eventually.

JakeLRS Feb 7, 2022 5:10 AM

Flair has released its core schedule all the way until April 2023

This is... interesting...

I think it's also interesting to see flair start to establish multiple flights a day on some routes. An example YYZ-YVR.

Calfan12 Feb 7, 2022 5:40 AM

Also it looks like (UA) United Airlines has pushed back the Edmonton YEG,Canada to Denver & Houston,US Nonstop flights✈️from May to into June 2022. More changes could be *possible* & will see as it gets closer.

Calfan12 Feb 7, 2022 6:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9527444)
Flair has released its core schedule all the way until April 2023

This is... interesting...

I think it's also interesting to see flair start to establish multiple flights a day on some routes. An example YYZ-YVR.

Good that Flair updated its schedule to April 2023, but with pandemic still on going & travel demand not the greatest, there will be some changes eventually to its Fall 2022/ next year Winter schedules & with possible cuts to it as “Nothing is guaranteed” currently on alot of things and including for the Airline sector lately since mid March 2020.

Flair will need luck as they competing against Air Canada & WestJet Canada’s 2 busiest airlines still✅!

AC and WS are still updating its schedule few months at time & pretty sure both of their Fall 2022 /Winter 2023 flight schedules are not yet finalized & there will be changes along with some cuts too.

hollywoodcory Feb 7, 2022 2:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9527473)
AC and WS are still updating its schedule few months at time & pretty sure both of their Fall 2022 /Winter 2023 flight schedules are not yet finalized & there will be changes along with some cuts too.

This happened even in pre-COVID days.

thenoflyzone Feb 7, 2022 3:12 PM

Two ULCC's in the States are merging. Frontier and Spirit.

Complete opposite of what we are seeing in this country.

Truenorth00 Feb 7, 2022 3:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9527606)
Two ULCC's in the States are merging. Frontier and Spirit.

Complete opposite of what we are seeing in this country.

Bigger market. Heavily subsidized aviation infrastructure.

thenoflyzone Feb 7, 2022 3:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 9527611)
Bigger market. Heavily subsidized aviation infrastructure.


Bigger market, and they are still merging ! That should tell you all you need to know about all the challenges these ULCC upstarts will face in this country.

Calfan12 Feb 7, 2022 4:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9527619)
Bigger market, and they are still merging ! That should tell you all you need to know about all the challenges these ULCC upstarts will face in this country.

Yep & currently (if) Canada were to see Airlines mergers at some point.

Air Canada merger with Air Transat is the most likely 1st✅.
WestJet merges probably with Sunwing,(as they already work closely together selling vacation packages for flights).
Porter with 1 of Flair or Lynx?

nname Feb 7, 2022 6:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9527444)
Flair has released its core schedule all the way until April 2023

This is... interesting...

I think it's also interesting to see flair start to establish multiple flights a day on some routes. An example YYZ-YVR.

So Flair's flight numbering scheme is now clear... Seems like for most of the new flights, it is number as

1xx - flights to/from YYZ hub
2xx - flights to/from YVR hub
5xx - YKF
6xx - YXX
7xx - YEG

Still not clear for the other hubs...

Second daily flight add "1" in front, third daily flight add "2"

So for YYC-YXX, it's flight 602, 1602, and 2602.

nname Feb 7, 2022 6:38 PM

AC S22 Change

So the reduction had begun...

AC plan to consolidate Tokyo flight to NRT again, currently scheduled to have
1x daily YVR with 789
5x weekly YYZ with 788 (AC21/22)
2x weekly YUL with 788

Flight reduction to ICN:
5x weekly YVR
4x weekly YYZ

All PVG flights are replaced by 789

YYZ-MUC moved up from AC836 to AC834, replacing the slot originally for YYZ-BRU. So along with cancellation of YVR-CDG (AC838), that leaves 2 slots possibly for MUC, FRA (AC840-848) or maybe another German city. New routes/frequency coming soon...?

hollywoodcory Feb 7, 2022 6:42 PM

WS extends cuts into March.

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/news/2...per-cent-throu

The press release is basically a rant against the mandatory PCR testing to enter Canada.

March bookings were looking pretty good last time I checked.

Dominion301 Feb 7, 2022 7:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9527877)
WS extends cuts into March.

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/news/2...per-cent-throu

The press release is basically a rant against the mandatory PCR testing to enter Canada.

March bookings were looking pretty good last time I checked.

Blah, blah, blah...or maybe it's simply the majority of Canadians still don't want to fly during a global pandemic.

whatnext Feb 7, 2022 7:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9527965)
Blah, blah, blah...or maybe it's simply the majority of Canadians still don't want to fly during a global pandemic.

A bit of both. The testing requirement for entering the country has outlived its usefulness. It should go.

thewave46 Feb 7, 2022 8:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9527606)
Two ULCC's in the States are merging. Frontier and Spirit.

Complete opposite of what we are seeing in this country.

Frontier and Spirit are successful, though.

Here, Flair’s long-term survival is an open question and other fools are throwing cash into the fire on an unproven concept in this market.

Long term prediction: Swoop survives due to Westjet’s backing, remains the only ULCC option because Westjet uses it to stomp upstarts.

casper Feb 7, 2022 8:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9527675)
Yep & currently (if) Canada were to see Airlines mergers at some point.

Air Canada merger with Air Transat is the most likely 1st✅.
WestJet merges probably with Sunwing,(as they already work closely together selling vacation packages for flights).
Porter with 1 of Flair or Lynx?

The Air Canada and Air Transat merger was blocked by the EU. This is due to the reduction of competition of certain key European markets. I don't think they will try again.

WestJet and AirTransat are now code-sharing on multiple routes. If there is any merger it will likely be between them. Also WS has never figured out how to serve the Montreal market. That is something Air Transat provides depths.

Sunwing is not an airline in the sense they don't care if anyone buys flights on the airline. Most of their passengers seats are sold to their parent company that bundles the air with hotel rooms and resells them as all inclusive packages. As long as it costs less to operate Sunwing than purchase seats on one of the others they will continue to exist.

Calfan12 Feb 7, 2022 8:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9527965)
Blah, blah, blah...or maybe it's simply the majority of Canadians still don't want to fly during a global pandemic.

Yep & that’s why Air Canada, WestJet, Air Transat, Porter, Flair, Sunwing & Lynx etc are going to continue to consolidate most of flights ✈️ & passengers through their main busiest hubs/bases.

Basically all major Airlines around the World are doing it too✅!

Won’t be changing anytime soon.

thewave46 Feb 7, 2022 9:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9528079)
The Air Canada and Air Transat merger was blocked by the EU. This is due to the reduction of competition of certain key European markets. I don't think they will try again.

WestJet and AirTransat are now code-sharing on multiple routes. If there is any merger it will likely be between them. Also WS has never figured out how to serve the Montreal market. That is something Air Transat provides depths.

Sunwing is not an airline in the sense they don't care if anyone buys flights on the airline. Most of their passengers seats are sold to their parent company that bundles the air with hotel rooms and resells them as all inclusive packages. As long as it costs less to operate Sunwing than purchase seats on one of the others they will continue to exist.

If Onex purchased Air Transat and continued to run it separately from Westjet on the surface (you could share resources behind the scenes) but did a codeshare with Westjet, that might work. Westjet gets a bunch of inroads into Quebec and Europe, AT gets feed from the rest of the country via Westjet to help fill flights.

From a branding point of view, it wouldn’t alienate anyone, while actually making the airline into a national one. It would keep each of the airlines off the other’s turf too.

DoubleK Feb 7, 2022 9:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9527606)
Two ULCC's in the States are merging. Frontier and Spirit.

Complete opposite of what we are seeing in this country.

Is Allegiant considered ULCC?

People_talking Feb 7, 2022 10:12 PM

Im pretty sure Allegiant, Sun Country and Breeze are all considered ULCC no?


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