this might answer your question...

http://www.sdnews.com/vnews/display..../45dfd437c7348

Thanks for the article. I followed the story and it appears that the council later voted to reduce the height of the buildings down to (2) 18 floors and (2) 21 floors, but the developer said that was too few units for the project. I think that this project will come back in some form as the amount of space in UTC is little.

Very innovative, but it costs a lot of money to build a skyscraper.

no problem;)

i used to live right there...like a minute, walking.

:|

that FAR. i used to go downtown to Rancho Bernardo, and even thats far.

^Hooters in RB opens today :jester:

People in RB are not happy about that, and I don't blame them. It doesn't fit into the community. Business however will be the ultimate indicator.

So many communities like RB are unhappy about new Hooters locations, but once they realize that it's just another restaurant, life goes on.

How would you pay for it? Would you charge people to enter?

Not sure what these various U/C buildings are...but the amount of new towers in San Diego is staggering! (pics from Friday 3/23/07)

Got renderings?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...70323SD037.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...70323SD002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...70323SD050.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...70323SD008.jpg

1st - Aria
http://www.ccdc.com/images/propertyImages/Aria-01.jpg

2nd and 3rd seems to be Diegan Hotel
http://www.ccdc.com/images/propertyI...Web%20Size.jpg

4th - Alta
http://www.ccdc.com/images/propertyImages/ALTA-day.jpg

the San Diegan has rose like 4-5 floors this weekend alone!!! they were evening working at night on a friday!!

yeah, it is just a restaurant...and im going tonight;)


my friend drove by the Hooters earlier at around 11:20 and she called me to tell me that it was packed and that there was already a collision getting into or out of the parking lot:jester:

I'll be there too soon enough too. :) It's much more convenient than the Mission Valley or PB locations.

the downtown one is convenient to me...but ive been to every Hooters in SoCal...so i had to add this to list ;)



(my waitress was incredibly hot...i didnt notice her name until like a half hour into the meal...and niether did my friends!! i was...distracted ;))

downtown being convenient...parking is a b****!

^i usually take the trolley in...but if i drive...well...i have my little secret hiding spots ;)

Parking is not a problem at all downtown. Spaces are really all ove rthe place. You just have to know where teh structures are and be willing to pay for it.

In my opinion, on street spaces should be removed... and persons should be directed to structures.

Parking downtown can be just like so many women. It is isn't free, but it's easy. You just have to know where to look.

:cheers:

well i dont like to pay, so i usually park in horton plaza lol

^oh...i never park in a structure...i always do the street parking...

as do i. AND horton plaza notoriously has the WORST crime downtown as far as theft from and of cars.

^i didnt know that!:jester: good thing we dont park there ;)

"Hotel Indigo" info (not much development news as of right now...so heres some news on a proposed project;))

International Hotels Group is proposing to construct a 210-room hotel at the northeast corner of 9th and Island avenues. Construction is proposed to begin in summer 2007 with a late 2008 completion targeted.

My point exactly. It seams that everyone that doesn't live in our neighborhood (EV) thinks that we should concentrate all the homeless services here. Why don't we move them up to your neighborhood? They would have better access to balboa park then?

I live in the exact same area as Derek and it certainly seems that all the homeless people are already here! And they do love Balboa park.

not necessarily to keep them concentrated in one area, just getting them off the street so they dont have it as hard, begging people for food and money...i was only saying the East Village because that is virtually where all the homeless reside...why put a shelter somewhere where there isnt a lot of homeless?:shrug:

theres a few...but there isnt a lot...compared to East Village that is...

New Navy Complex plans
 

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...es/navy280.jpg

DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO – The latest design for the proposed Navy office building on the downtown waterfront is reminiscent of a ship, to the delight of some people who opposed the former blocky look that one critic likened to a “Stalinesque prison.”


The Navy office building proposed for the downtown waterfront by Manchester Development has a nautical aspect.
The building is the first of the Navy Broadway Complex redevelopment to have specific plans announced. Manchester Development unveiled the latest look and an updated master plan for the whole four-block parcel yesterday at a Centre City Development Corp. board meeting.

The hotel, office and museum designs for the site have been massaged and re-maneuvered somewhat on the blocks, with more accessable retail space added.

A pedestrian “Paseo” still runs through the four blocks, though it has been narrowed to allow for a more intimate feel, designers said.

Nancy Graham, president of the downtown redevelopment agency, said her staff has worked with Manchester to make the master plan more pedestrian friendly.

“How the buildings meet the street, how they play with the Paseo to create the life,” Graham said, giving examples of the focus she is pushing. “They have a much more human scale and edge to them on Harbor Drive than previously.”


The site is 14.7 acres bordered by Pacific Highway, Harbor Drive and Broadway. In 1992, the Navy and city agreed on a plan to replace old Navy buildings there with blocks of hotels, offices, restaurants, public pathways, a park and a new Navy Region Southwest headquarters building.

A year ago, the Navy chose San Diego businessman Douglas Manchester's firm to develop the site.

Reactions yesterday to the latest incarnation of the master plan were mixed.

CCDC board member Wayne Raffesberger said he supports more open space, not less, and more view corridors.

“I'm still devoted to seeing if we can make those work better than even what we're seeing today,” Raffesberger said.

Board member Kim Kilkenny said he approved of the direction.

“I've had grave concerns about the prior site plans working from a pedestrian and activities standpoint,” Kilkenny said. “I'm beginning to develop some excitement about what I'm beginning to see.”

Just about everyone seemed to like the new Navy office building design.

Seen from above, the shape resembles a ship facing east. That's no mistake. Tucker Sadler Architects, the design firm, said the Navy was part of its inspiration.

The now-curved sides soften what used to be a bulky building, board members said.

“It's tremendously improved. I can't find a strong enough adjective to say how much better it is,” said Gary Smith, Downtown Residents Group president, who compared the earlier design to that of a prison.

Yesterday's discussion was just another step in the process, not the final word. Downtown redevelopment officials said their agency may be able to green-light the master plan in May or June.

Manchester Development President Perry Dealy said his company is under pressure to get started. Dealy called June a “worst-case scenario.”

Manchester wants to be moving on construction permits for the Navy offices and another building in September, he said.

The CCDC's approval isn't the only challenge ahead for Manchester. The California Coastal Commission has asked the developer for more information, and lawsuits are pending against the Navy and the city over their endorsement of the deal.

^^ That's not a bad looking building - I definitely like the curved sides.


ucsbgaucho - did you see a link to the updated NBC plan? I can't wait to see what other changes they've made.

Will some people not be happy until the site is 4 blocks of grass?

The Homeless are there. because the services are there. We need not any more service centers.

^so keep the people on the streets? that doesnt seem right...anyways...that new Navy building aint too bad...i wish it had some more height...but it aint too bad:)

i heard that parking is FUCT up there...in fact, the surrounding businesses have a restraining order on the waitresses so they have to walk up a lame dirt hill to get to work. i heard this from a co-worker who is going tonight. we work about a minute from there.

^yeah, the travelodge owner flat out YELLED at me and my friends when i parked in one of his spots...i was like "Ok, i'll fucking move, you could've asked me nicely you fucking dick!"

then he started shouting in Arabic and we all laughed :jester:

yeah, parking sucks there so i ended up parking outside the Radisson up there and walking down...not too far




oh, and the tiny little office building had a car parked across its entrance to its parking lot too, they should demolish it anyway and put more parking...only one of the three offices are occupied...

That's part of what's so annoying about this town. Somebody is always opposed to something. The mayor could write a $1M check to every San Diegan and someone would bitch that the checks weren't made from recyclable paper.

^:jester:

Or they would complain that the city needs the money and should keep it. And are you sure it was not persian that the guy was yelling in. Most people can not tell the difference between the two languages. They see a Middle Eastern, assume he's Arab, and then make whatever language he is speaking Arabic.

I'm probably the minority here, but I really like the tower designs (still hate the square base, though). It's been said before, but I really wish there was only one tower. They could at least make the crowns different, don't you think?

I was never a fan of that KUSI proposal. While it would have been cool to have another TV station based downtown, I hated that design. It reminded me of a tacky theme hotel you'd find in Las Vegas. :yuck:

I'm with you guys here, this isn't a bad looking tower. I believe this tower has a height limit of 300'. I was glad to read in the attached article that the outside of the building was more pedestrian-friendly and human scale than before. See what a little whining and complaining gets you? A better building, overall.

On another note, did you guys see the animated video of the latest version of NBC? If not, here it is, under the building rendering http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...-1m29navy.html
Fortunately, the developer says it will most certainly be modified more.


Does anyone recognize this rendering? I had it in my photobucket album and something tells me that it is a Bosa rendering. I'm wondering if this is the First and J project?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...C4440BE065.jpg

Some random pics from yesterday. I posted others in the various highrise construction threads in the other section.

Smart Corner is looking pretty smart
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7602.jpg

Tenants of DiamondView are beginning to move in. This should bring some daytime foot traffic to East Village.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7542.jpg

Aria is looking sleek
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7599.jpg

MetroWork office condos
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7574.jpg

Candy Factory(?) restoration
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7537.jpg

Park Terrace
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7543.jpg

Alta towers behind new townhomes at The Mark
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7528.jpg

The Legend rises above another historic building being restored
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7532.jpg

Electra standing tall
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7573.jpg

Beautiful.

im part Syrian...so i can distinguish the differences pretty well...this guy was 100% arab

nice pictures:)

ive never seen that one:shrug:

but its not a bad design:)

I'm fine with the towers and I like their look from this angle. I agree that the base as-is has got to go. :)

Damn, NBC development looks FREAKING HOT!!! Enough talk - let's build it!!

BTW, in the video, did you guys notice some of the other area buildings like Electra and the proposed Bosa tower? That area is quickly turning into my favorite part of downtown! Before long, San Diego's going to look like a real city!

No idea, but I REALLY like the building!!!!

There is also a building behind the tallest tower at NBC that I didn't recognize. Can you imagine what the area will look like with the Lane Field and Irvine office tower proposals nearby?


Regarding the rendering I posted above - I counted only 34 floors, while the 1st & J proposal is for 38 floors. Perhaps it's a proposal that has since died?

NBC looks so great :)

one of them has got to be this ;)
http://www.ccdc.com/images/propertyI...y%20at%20E.jpg