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Derek Mar 26, 2007 6:19 AM

this might answer your question...

http://www.sdnews.com/vnews/display..../45dfd437c7348

spoonman Mar 26, 2007 6:31 AM

Thanks for the article. I followed the story and it appears that the council later voted to reduce the height of the buildings down to (2) 18 floors and (2) 21 floors, but the developer said that was too few units for the project. I think that this project will come back in some form as the amount of space in UTC is little.

eburress Mar 26, 2007 6:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackertastik (Post 2718154)
you know what i have always wondered? i always remember parking near the the harbor club, and really the area is cool, but if you arent a part of the club, it might as well nothing at all. tall buildings always are hotels, condos, offices, or some mixture of that. very secluded. Why cant they make vertical public space? land is at a premium, and downtown needs park space. why cant we build the park up instead of out? one block, 400 feet high, maybe 15 levels, different parks, landscaping, art dispays, skate parks, vantage points, restaurants, running paths, swimming pools, etc? why cant they make an entire building with tons with the things you would find in your park? i think that would be a very innovative idea.

Very innovative, but it costs a lot of money to build a skyscraper.

Derek Mar 26, 2007 6:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2718217)
Thanks for the article. I followed the story and it appears that the council later voted to reduce the height of the buildings down to (2) 18 floors and (2) 21 floors, but the developer said that was too few units for the project. I think that this project will come back in some form as the amount of space in UTC is little.

no problem;)

Urban Sky Mar 26, 2007 7:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2710506)
no...i live inbetween Little Italy and Hillcrest on 5th..."Uptown" in one of those midrise condos...but im in downtown nearly everyday...

i used to live right there...like a minute, walking.

HurricaneHugo Mar 26, 2007 7:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2718217)
Thanks for the article. I followed the story and it appears that the council later voted to reduce the height of the buildings down to (2) 18 floors and (2) 21 floors, but the developer said that was too few units for the project. I think that this project will come back in some form as the amount of space in UTC is little.

:|

Urban Sky Mar 26, 2007 7:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IconRPCV (Post 2714499)
To contribute to the whole commuting discussion; I commute from the ICON downtown to Temecula. I might very well be the only person that does this, "Reverse commute" but I enjoy the urbanity of downtown and unfortunatley to be able to afford it I have to work in temecula, educators make squat in SD. Hey its both ways against traffic but almost two hours in a car every day is killing me.

that FAR. i used to go downtown to Rancho Bernardo, and even thats far.

Derek Mar 26, 2007 3:30 PM

^Hooters in RB opens today :jester:

spoonman Mar 26, 2007 6:15 PM

People in RB are not happy about that, and I don't blame them. It doesn't fit into the community. Business however will be the ultimate indicator.

eburress Mar 26, 2007 7:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2719054)
People in RB are not happy about that, and I don't blame them. It doesn't fit into the community. Business however will be the ultimate indicator.

So many communities like RB are unhappy about new Hooters locations, but once they realize that it's just another restaurant, life goes on.

sandiegodweller Mar 26, 2007 8:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackertastik (Post 2718154)
you know what i have always wondered? i always remember parking near the the harbor club, and really the area is cool, but if you arent a part of the club, it might as well nothing at all. tall buildings always are hotels, condos, offices, or some mixture of that. very secluded. Why cant they make vertical public space? land is at a premium, and downtown needs park space. why cant we build the park up instead of out? one block, 400 feet high, maybe 15 levels, different parks, landscaping, art dispays, skate parks, vantage points, restaurants, running paths, swimming pools, etc? why cant they make an entire building with tons with the things you would find in your park? i think that would be a very innovative idea.

How would you pay for it? Would you charge people to enter?

plinko Mar 26, 2007 9:32 PM

Not sure what these various U/C buildings are...but the amount of new towers in San Diego is staggering! (pics from Friday 3/23/07)

Got renderings?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...70323SD037.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...70323SD002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...70323SD050.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...70323SD008.jpg

<ak/> Mar 26, 2007 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plinko (Post 2719574)
Not sure what these various U/C buildings are...but the amount of new towers in San Diego is staggering! (pics from Friday 3/23/07)

Got renderings?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...70323SD037.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...70323SD002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...70323SD050.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...70323SD008.jpg

1st - Aria
http://www.ccdc.com/images/propertyImages/Aria-01.jpg

2nd and 3rd seems to be Diegan Hotel
http://www.ccdc.com/images/propertyI...Web%20Size.jpg

4th - Alta
http://www.ccdc.com/images/propertyImages/ALTA-day.jpg

Derek Mar 26, 2007 11:31 PM

the San Diegan has rose like 4-5 floors this weekend alone!!! they were evening working at night on a friday!!

Derek Mar 26, 2007 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eburress (Post 2719299)
So many communities like RB are unhappy about new Hooters locations, but once they realize that it's just another restaurant, life goes on.

yeah, it is just a restaurant...and im going tonight;)


my friend drove by the Hooters earlier at around 11:20 and she called me to tell me that it was packed and that there was already a collision getting into or out of the parking lot:jester:

eburress Mar 27, 2007 3:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2719876)
yeah, it is just a restaurant...and im going tonight;)


my friend drove by the Hooters earlier at around 11:20 and she called me to tell me that it was packed and that there was already a collision getting into or out of the parking lot:jester:

I'll be there too soon enough too. :) It's much more convenient than the Mission Valley or PB locations.

Derek Mar 27, 2007 3:16 AM

the downtown one is convenient to me...but ive been to every Hooters in SoCal...so i had to add this to list ;)



(my waitress was incredibly hot...i didnt notice her name until like a half hour into the meal...and niether did my friends!! i was...distracted ;))

HurricaneHugo Mar 27, 2007 6:17 AM

downtown being convenient...parking is a b****!

Derek Mar 27, 2007 7:20 AM

^i usually take the trolley in...but if i drive...well...i have my little secret hiding spots ;)

bmfarley Mar 27, 2007 8:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 2721093)
downtown being convenient...parking is a b****!

Parking is not a problem at all downtown. Spaces are really all ove rthe place. You just have to know where teh structures are and be willing to pay for it.

In my opinion, on street spaces should be removed... and persons should be directed to structures.

eburress Mar 27, 2007 8:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmfarley (Post 2722483)
Parking is not a problem at all downtown. Spaces are really all ove rthe place. You just have to know where teh structures are and be willing to pay for it.

Parking downtown can be just like so many women. It is isn't free, but it's easy. You just have to know where to look.

:cheers:

HurricaneHugo Mar 27, 2007 10:34 PM

well i dont like to pay, so i usually park in horton plaza lol

Derek Mar 27, 2007 11:03 PM

^oh...i never park in a structure...i always do the street parking...

Urban Sky Mar 28, 2007 2:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2722949)
^oh...i never park in a structure...i always do the street parking...

as do i. AND horton plaza notoriously has the WORST crime downtown as far as theft from and of cars.

Derek Mar 28, 2007 2:32 AM

^i didnt know that!:jester: good thing we dont park there ;)

Derek Mar 28, 2007 6:16 AM

"Hotel Indigo" info (not much development news as of right now...so heres some news on a proposed project;))

International Hotels Group is proposing to construct a 210-room hotel at the northeast corner of 9th and Island avenues. Construction is proposed to begin in summer 2007 with a late 2008 completion targeted.

keg92101 Mar 28, 2007 2:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2710506)
no...i live inbetween Little Italy and Hillcrest on 5th..."Uptown" in one of those midrise condos...but im in downtown nearly everyday...

My point exactly. It seams that everyone that doesn't live in our neighborhood (EV) thinks that we should concentrate all the homeless services here. Why don't we move them up to your neighborhood? They would have better access to balboa park then?

obendega Mar 28, 2007 5:50 PM

I live in the exact same area as Derek and it certainly seems that all the homeless people are already here! And they do love Balboa park.

Derek Mar 28, 2007 9:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg92101 (Post 2724546)
My point exactly. It seams that everyone that doesn't live in our neighborhood (EV) thinks that we should concentrate all the homeless services here. Why don't we move them up to your neighborhood? They would have better access to balboa park then?

not necessarily to keep them concentrated in one area, just getting them off the street so they dont have it as hard, begging people for food and money...i was only saying the East Village because that is virtually where all the homeless reside...why put a shelter somewhere where there isnt a lot of homeless?:shrug:

Derek Mar 28, 2007 9:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by obendega (Post 2724998)
I live in the exact same area as Derek and it certainly seems that all the homeless people are already here! And they do love Balboa park.

theres a few...but there isnt a lot...compared to East Village that is...

ucsbgaucho Mar 29, 2007 3:24 PM

New Navy Complex plans
 
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...es/navy280.jpg

DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO – The latest design for the proposed Navy office building on the downtown waterfront is reminiscent of a ship, to the delight of some people who opposed the former blocky look that one critic likened to a “Stalinesque prison.”


The Navy office building proposed for the downtown waterfront by Manchester Development has a nautical aspect.
The building is the first of the Navy Broadway Complex redevelopment to have specific plans announced. Manchester Development unveiled the latest look and an updated master plan for the whole four-block parcel yesterday at a Centre City Development Corp. board meeting.

The hotel, office and museum designs for the site have been massaged and re-maneuvered somewhat on the blocks, with more accessable retail space added.

A pedestrian “Paseo” still runs through the four blocks, though it has been narrowed to allow for a more intimate feel, designers said.

Nancy Graham, president of the downtown redevelopment agency, said her staff has worked with Manchester to make the master plan more pedestrian friendly.

“How the buildings meet the street, how they play with the Paseo to create the life,” Graham said, giving examples of the focus she is pushing. “They have a much more human scale and edge to them on Harbor Drive than previously.”


The site is 14.7 acres bordered by Pacific Highway, Harbor Drive and Broadway. In 1992, the Navy and city agreed on a plan to replace old Navy buildings there with blocks of hotels, offices, restaurants, public pathways, a park and a new Navy Region Southwest headquarters building.

A year ago, the Navy chose San Diego businessman Douglas Manchester's firm to develop the site.

Reactions yesterday to the latest incarnation of the master plan were mixed.

CCDC board member Wayne Raffesberger said he supports more open space, not less, and more view corridors.

“I'm still devoted to seeing if we can make those work better than even what we're seeing today,” Raffesberger said.

Board member Kim Kilkenny said he approved of the direction.

“I've had grave concerns about the prior site plans working from a pedestrian and activities standpoint,” Kilkenny said. “I'm beginning to develop some excitement about what I'm beginning to see.”

Just about everyone seemed to like the new Navy office building design.

Seen from above, the shape resembles a ship facing east. That's no mistake. Tucker Sadler Architects, the design firm, said the Navy was part of its inspiration.

The now-curved sides soften what used to be a bulky building, board members said.

“It's tremendously improved. I can't find a strong enough adjective to say how much better it is,” said Gary Smith, Downtown Residents Group president, who compared the earlier design to that of a prison.

Yesterday's discussion was just another step in the process, not the final word. Downtown redevelopment officials said their agency may be able to green-light the master plan in May or June.

Manchester Development President Perry Dealy said his company is under pressure to get started. Dealy called June a “worst-case scenario.”

Manchester wants to be moving on construction permits for the Navy offices and another building in September, he said.

The CCDC's approval isn't the only challenge ahead for Manchester. The California Coastal Commission has asked the developer for more information, and lawsuits are pending against the Navy and the city over their endorsement of the deal.

eburress Mar 29, 2007 6:39 PM

^^ That's not a bad looking building - I definitely like the curved sides.


ucsbgaucho - did you see a link to the updated NBC plan? I can't wait to see what other changes they've made.

PadreHomer Mar 29, 2007 6:56 PM

Will some people not be happy until the site is 4 blocks of grass?

keg92101 Mar 29, 2007 7:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2725553)
not necessarily to keep them concentrated in one area, just getting them off the street so they dont have it as hard, begging people for food and money...i was only saying the East Village because that is virtually where all the homeless reside...why put a shelter somewhere where there isnt a lot of homeless?:shrug:

The Homeless are there. because the services are there. We need not any more service centers.

Derek Mar 29, 2007 9:59 PM

^so keep the people on the streets? that doesnt seem right...anyways...that new Navy building aint too bad...i wish it had some more height...but it aint too bad:)

Urban Sky Mar 29, 2007 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2719876)
yeah, it is just a restaurant...and im going tonight;)


my friend drove by the Hooters earlier at around 11:20 and she called me to tell me that it was packed and that there was already a collision getting into or out of the parking lot:jester:

i heard that parking is FUCT up there...in fact, the surrounding businesses have a restraining order on the waitresses so they have to walk up a lame dirt hill to get to work. i heard this from a co-worker who is going tonight. we work about a minute from there.

Derek Mar 29, 2007 10:59 PM

^yeah, the travelodge owner flat out YELLED at me and my friends when i parked in one of his spots...i was like "Ok, i'll fucking move, you could've asked me nicely you fucking dick!"

then he started shouting in Arabic and we all laughed :jester:

yeah, parking sucks there so i ended up parking outside the Radisson up there and walking down...not too far




oh, and the tiny little office building had a car parked across its entrance to its parking lot too, they should demolish it anyway and put more parking...only one of the three offices are occupied...

eburress Mar 29, 2007 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PadreHomer (Post 2728212)
Will some people not be happy until the site is 4 blocks of grass?

That's part of what's so annoying about this town. Somebody is always opposed to something. The mayor could write a $1M check to every San Diegan and someone would bitch that the checks weren't made from recyclable paper.

Derek Mar 30, 2007 12:34 AM

^:jester:

OCtoSD Mar 30, 2007 6:07 AM

Or they would complain that the city needs the money and should keep it. And are you sure it was not persian that the guy was yelling in. Most people can not tell the difference between the two languages. They see a Middle Eastern, assume he's Arab, and then make whatever language he is speaking Arabic.

sandiego_urban Mar 30, 2007 6:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filambata (Post 2713330)
Here's a rendering of the proposed Lane Field development from another angle from the architect's website.

http://www.jwdainc.com/images/2007MarchNewsImage.jpg

Joseph Wong Design Associates

I'm probably the minority here, but I really like the tower designs (still hate the square base, though). It's been said before, but I really wish there was only one tower. They could at least make the crowns different, don't you think?

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonman
I'm not sure who's seen this one and who hasn't as I believe some members have joined the forum more recently than others. As I recall, there were some mixed feelings on the project.

I was never a fan of that KUSI proposal. While it would have been cool to have another TV station based downtown, I hated that design. It reminded me of a tacky theme hotel you'd find in Las Vegas. :yuck:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ucsbgaucho (Post 2727676)

I'm with you guys here, this isn't a bad looking tower. I believe this tower has a height limit of 300'. I was glad to read in the attached article that the outside of the building was more pedestrian-friendly and human scale than before. See what a little whining and complaining gets you? A better building, overall.

On another note, did you guys see the animated video of the latest version of NBC? If not, here it is, under the building rendering http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...-1m29navy.html
Fortunately, the developer says it will most certainly be modified more.


Does anyone recognize this rendering? I had it in my photobucket album and something tells me that it is a Bosa rendering. I'm wondering if this is the First and J project?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...C4440BE065.jpg

sandiego_urban Mar 30, 2007 7:07 AM

Some random pics from yesterday. I posted others in the various highrise construction threads in the other section.

Smart Corner is looking pretty smart
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7602.jpg

Tenants of DiamondView are beginning to move in. This should bring some daytime foot traffic to East Village.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7542.jpg

Aria is looking sleek
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7599.jpg

MetroWork office condos
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7574.jpg

Candy Factory(?) restoration
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7537.jpg

Park Terrace
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7543.jpg

Alta towers behind new townhomes at The Mark
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7528.jpg

The Legend rises above another historic building being restored
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7532.jpg

Electra standing tall
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...l/IMG_7573.jpg

HurricaneHugo Mar 30, 2007 7:33 AM

Beautiful.

Derek Mar 30, 2007 1:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCtoSD (Post 2729875)
Or they would complain that the city needs the money and should keep it. And are you sure it was not persian that the guy was yelling in. Most people can not tell the difference between the two languages. They see a Middle Eastern, assume he's Arab, and then make whatever language he is speaking Arabic.

im part Syrian...so i can distinguish the differences pretty well...this guy was 100% arab

Derek Mar 30, 2007 1:51 PM

nice pictures:)

Derek Mar 30, 2007 1:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandiego_urban (Post 2729940)
Does anyone recognize this rendering? I had it in my photobucket album and something tells me that it is a Bosa rendering. I'm wondering if this is the First and J project?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...C4440BE065.jpg

ive never seen that one:shrug:

but its not a bad design:)

eburress Mar 30, 2007 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandiego_urban (Post 2729940)
I'm probably the minority here, but I really like the tower designs (still hate the square base, though). It's been said before, but I really wish there was only one tower. They could at least make the crowns different, don't you think?

I'm fine with the towers and I like their look from this angle. I agree that the base as-is has got to go. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandiego_urban (Post 2729940)
On another note, did you guys see the animated video of the latest version of NBC? If not, here it is, under the building rendering http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...-1m29navy.html
Fortunately, the developer says it will most certainly be modified more.

Damn, NBC development looks FREAKING HOT!!! Enough talk - let's build it!!

BTW, in the video, did you guys notice some of the other area buildings like Electra and the proposed Bosa tower? That area is quickly turning into my favorite part of downtown! Before long, San Diego's going to look like a real city!

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandiego_urban (Post 2729940)
Does anyone recognize this rendering? I had it in my photobucket album and something tells me that it is a Bosa rendering. I'm wondering if this is the First and J project?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...C4440BE065.jpg

No idea, but I REALLY like the building!!!!

sandiego_urban Mar 30, 2007 8:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eburress (Post 2730596)
BTW, in the video, did you guys notice some of the other area buildings like Electra and the proposed Bosa tower?

There is also a building behind the tallest tower at NBC that I didn't recognize. Can you imagine what the area will look like with the Lane Field and Irvine office tower proposals nearby?


Regarding the rendering I posted above - I counted only 34 floors, while the 1st & J proposal is for 38 floors. Perhaps it's a proposal that has since died?

Derek Mar 30, 2007 9:57 PM

NBC looks so great :)

Derek Mar 30, 2007 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandiego_urban (Post 2731198)
There is also a building behind the tallest tower at NBC that I didn't recognize.

one of them has got to be this ;)
http://www.ccdc.com/images/propertyI...y%20at%20E.jpg


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