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dl3000 Jan 19, 2010 6:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneMetropolis (Post 4655276)
:previous: So typical. All the hype, than a loss. And the most famed cliché to follow it "there's always next year,"

Exactly what I told people at the end of the game. The whole thing almost word for word. I definitely was nervous about this game.

HurricaneHugo Jan 19, 2010 8:34 AM

I couldn't even move from my seat until they kicked me out... :(

kpexpress Jan 20, 2010 12:48 AM

Speaking of SD stadium, to my surprise the topic is not included on tomorrow's CCAC agenda. Mostly CUP's and medijuana.

gttx Jan 20, 2010 7:01 PM

So here is a question for all of you San Diego skyscraper enthusiasts:

What do you think of the East Village? Is there hope for this area of downtown? If so, what do you envision going in there to help catalyze future growth?

eburress Jan 20, 2010 9:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gttx (Post 4658637)
So here is a question for all of you San Diego skyscraper enthusiasts:

What do you think of the East Village? Is there hope for this area of downtown? If so, what do you envision going in there to help catalyze future growth?

Yes. A new football stadium!!!

HurricaneHugo Jan 21, 2010 6:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gttx (Post 4658637)
So here is a question for all of you San Diego skyscraper enthusiasts:

What do you think of the East Village? Is there hope for this area of downtown? If so, what do you envision going in there to help catalyze future growth?

Chargers Stadium. :D

kpexpress Jan 21, 2010 7:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gttx (Post 4658637)
So here is a question for all of you San Diego skyscraper enthusiasts:

What do you think of the East Village? Is there hope for this area of downtown? If so, what do you envision going in there to help catalyze future growth?

East Village Green, Library, affordable housing, expansion of education (city college, NSAD, etc.), and families families families - this area is in need of families more so than any other place in the entire city.

kpexpress Jan 21, 2010 7:37 PM

Last night at the CCAC meeting, the committee voted unanimously to start the process (should take 12-18 months) to raise the cap on how much CCDC could collect in tax increment to eliminate urban blight and redevelop downtown from now til 2043. The cap sits now at around 2.8 billion, and could increase up to 7 billion according to Frank Alessi of CCDC. Many of us had concerns about what this extra money was for, although talk of a stadium did occur, the reason the committee voted unanimously was with the current money and cap in place there wouldn't be enough money to do all that is needed to see the downtown community plan come to fruition (stadium aside).

I think however that this is laying the groundwork for a backdoor deal between the mayor's office, CCDC, and the Chargers to funnel more money their way to see a stadium be built. Although I am not a huge fan (still on the fence in fact) of having a stadium built in the east village, it would take a lot of money (way more than the cap and budget has) to develop the bus depot site. Although not specified in the community plan that the bus depot should be a football stadium, in fact the plan calls for everything but a massive stadium, the bus depot will be redeveloped and moved elsewhere in the city hopefully before the end of our lifetime(s).

Fusey Jan 22, 2010 1:15 AM

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Originally Posted by gttx (Post 4658637)
Is there hope for this area of downtown?

Deporting the hobos at Father Joe's to their home states would be a great start.

eburress Jan 22, 2010 7:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fusey (Post 4661062)
Deporting the hobos at Father Joe's to their home states would be a great start.

Hobos = stranded Jets fans?

S.DviaPhilly Jan 23, 2010 10:06 PM

A pretty decent proposal for the stadium and other stuff........
 
Found this on another thread. These are two retired san diegans trying to help out


LaPlayaHeritage


Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 19
Smile Ballot Question for the November 2, 2010 Public Vote
Proposition – New downtown Chargers stadium and redevelopment of the City-owned Mission Valley site. January 23, 2010, by Katheryn Rhodes and Conrad Hartsell MD, rhodes@laplayaheritage.com 619-523-4350.

Ballot Question for November 2, 2010 Public Vote: Shall the People of the City of San Diego prepare land in the East Village area of downtown San Diego for a new multi-purpose Chargers NFL Stadium/Convention and Event Center and Build the Permanent Homeless Shelter using CCDC Redevelopment Funds; create a intergovernmental structure with the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) to finance construction of the Regional asset; and Redevelop the City-owned 166-acre Mission Valley site into a 75-acre River Front park, a Fire Station, and housing specifically for college students, staff, and faculty; Veterans; and seniors displaced from the closing of mobile home parks?

Preparation of public land in the East Village to be financed using City of San Diego taxpayers’ CCDC Redevelopment Funds:
· Relocate the MTS Maintenance Yard to other City of San Diego vehicle facilities yards.
· Buy 2.5 acres of private land needed for the project footprint.
· Remove the contaminated soils created by the City of San Diego from under the proposed site.
· Construct the Basement Level for a new multi-purpose structure.
· Incorporate adaptive reuse of the Historically Designated Wonder Bread building into the new design and require all archaeological artifacts recovered to be properly cared for at the San Diego Archaeological Center at San Pasqual.
· Incorporate public restrooms and drinking fountains accessible from the street for public use.
· Resolve the Homeless problem in downtown San Diego, by in part, building the Permanent Homeless Shelter before a stadium is occupied.

Create a Intergovernmental structure with the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) to finance the public’s cost of building the Stadium/Convention and Event Center structure, in cooperation with the Chargers organization and the NFL.
· Chargers have pledge $200 million and the NFL has pledge $100 million for construction of a new NFL Stadium.
· The balance of construction costs for the new building would come from the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) who have access to State and Federal Stimulus Fund for regional assets.

Redevelop the City-owned 166-acre Mission Valley site.
· Create a Redevelopment Project Area.
· Create a 75-acre public park along the San Diego River and build a new Mission Valley Fire Station on the 82-acres of City of San Diego Water Department owned land.
· Sell a portion of the 84 acres of developable land to San Diego State University (SDSU) for student, staff, and faculty housing with proceeds from the sale of the public land used to finance the 75-acre public park, fire station, and affordable housing for seniors and Veterans.
· Set aside a portion of the 84 acres of developable land for the creation of Veterans Housing for returning Veterans, disabled Veterans, and Veterans attending college on the GI Bill.
· Construct very low affordable housing for seniors displaced by the closing of mobile home parks on a portion of the 84 acres of developable land.

New revenue streams for the City of San Diego taxpayers would be created by the Redevelopment of publically owned City of San Diego land including:
· The 166-acre Mission Valley Site with a 75-acre park, a new Fire Station, and housing.
· The 67-acre Sports Arena property in the Midway area for mixed-use and affordable housing when the lease expires in 2017.
· A new planned hotel on the 76-acre site of the De Anza Mobile Home Park in Mission Bay.

HurricaneHugo Jan 24, 2010 12:07 AM

But What About The Walkability Of The Neighborhood???!!!

Poor Bums Are Going To Have To Walk All Around The Stadium Cuz They Could Just Cut Through The Mts Yard!

Derek Jan 24, 2010 4:22 AM

All talk, no action. ;)

kpexpress Jan 24, 2010 7:36 AM

why don't they build the homeless shelter in the mixed use redeveloped area in Mission Valley?

Fusey Jan 24, 2010 4:23 PM

^ Donna Frye would complain about the height. :haha:

Fusey Jan 24, 2010 7:57 PM

All right, looks like something is actually getting built downtown despite the recession. Too bad it's the new cruise ship terminal, which, if I recall correctly, received negative comments from most of the regulars in this thread.

From the Union-Tribune:

http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/...34634cbc5420f3
http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos...jan/23/102449/

bmfarley Jan 24, 2010 8:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S.DviaPhilly (Post 4663768)
Found this on another thread. These are two retired san diegans trying to help out


LaPlayaHeritage


Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 19
Smile Ballot Question for the November 2, 2010 Public Vote
Proposition – New downtown Chargers stadium and redevelopment of the City-owned Mission Valley site. January 23, 2010, by Katheryn Rhodes and Conrad Hartsell MD, rhodes@laplayaheritage.com 619-523-4350.

Ballot Question for November 2, 2010 Public Vote: Shall the People of the City of San Diego prepare land in the East Village area of downtown San Diego for a new multi-purpose Chargers NFL Stadium/Convention and Event Center and Build the Permanent Homeless Shelter using CCDC Redevelopment Funds; create a intergovernmental structure with the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) to finance construction of the Regional asset; and Redevelop the City-owned 166-acre Mission Valley site into a 75-acre River Front park, a Fire Station, and housing specifically for college students, staff, and faculty; Veterans; and seniors displaced from the closing of mobile home parks?

Preparation of public land in the East Village to be financed using City of San Diego taxpayers’ CCDC Redevelopment Funds:
· Relocate the MTS Maintenance Yard to other City of San Diego vehicle facilities yards.
· Buy 2.5 acres of private land needed for the project footprint.
· Remove the contaminated soils created by the City of San Diego from under the proposed site.
· Construct the Basement Level for a new multi-purpose structure.
· Incorporate adaptive reuse of the Historically Designated Wonder Bread building into the new design and require all archaeological artifacts recovered to be properly cared for at the San Diego Archaeological Center at San Pasqual.
· Incorporate public restrooms and drinking fountains accessible from the street for public use.
· Resolve the Homeless problem in downtown San Diego, by in part, building the Permanent Homeless Shelter before a stadium is occupied.

Create a Intergovernmental structure with the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) to finance the public’s cost of building the Stadium/Convention and Event Center structure, in cooperation with the Chargers organization and the NFL.
· Chargers have pledge $200 million and the NFL has pledge $100 million for construction of a new NFL Stadium.
· The balance of construction costs for the new building would come from the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) who have access to State and Federal Stimulus Fund for regional assets.

Redevelop the City-owned 166-acre Mission Valley site.
· Create a Redevelopment Project Area.
· Create a 75-acre public park along the San Diego River and build a new Mission Valley Fire Station on the 82-acres of City of San Diego Water Department owned land.
· Sell a portion of the 84 acres of developable land to San Diego State University (SDSU) for student, staff, and faculty housing with proceeds from the sale of the public land used to finance the 75-acre public park, fire station, and affordable housing for seniors and Veterans.
· Set aside a portion of the 84 acres of developable land for the creation of Veterans Housing for returning Veterans, disabled Veterans, and Veterans attending college on the GI Bill.
· Construct very low affordable housing for seniors displaced by the closing of mobile home parks on a portion of the 84 acres of developable land.

New revenue streams for the City of San Diego taxpayers would be created by the Redevelopment of publically owned City of San Diego land including:
· The 166-acre Mission Valley Site with a 75-acre park, a new Fire Station, and housing.
· The 67-acre Sports Arena property in the Midway area for mixed-use and affordable housing when the lease expires in 2017.
· A new planned hotel on the 76-acre site of the De Anza Mobile Home Park in Mission Bay.

That is interesting; however, I note a few things....
1) Multiple items are included in this single ballot measure? Stadium, low-income housing, public bathrooms, homeless housing/shelter, Mission Valley site re-use.... where does it end? Seems like too much on one ballot... I encourage splitting them up.

2) Regardless of a ballot measure outcome, cooperation is needed from the transit agency - they are essentially a state agency and and have their own mission.

Derek Jan 24, 2010 11:56 PM

Why must they feel the need to send things to the ballot? Just fucking do shit and get it done!! :)

HurricaneHugo Jan 27, 2010 5:25 AM

CCDC Board Meeting, tomorrow Wednesday, January 27, 2010 at 9:00 am, 401 B Street, Suite 400, downtown San Diego.

http://www.ccdc.com/events/resources/Agenda30.pdf

Agenda Item 12. Evolution Media Capital, LLC. Informational Item regarding the financial feasibility of reusing the MTS site for a stadium

eburress Jan 27, 2010 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 4665043)
Why must they feel the need to send things to the ballot? Just fucking do shit and get it done!! :)

I completely agree. No good can come from asking San Diegans what they think. If ANYTHING is ever going to get done in this town, it will be in spite of its residents' opinions.

kpexpress Jan 27, 2010 7:18 PM

@dillonliam is providing amazing live updates via twitter on the stadium talks in CCDC right now

Fusey Jan 28, 2010 1:32 AM

If the downtown stadium ends up on the ballot stadium proponents better use this shot in the campaign ads:

http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/...037__t290.jpg?

OneMetropolis Jan 28, 2010 4:35 AM

I support this stadium. I wonder if it really will come to fruition!:notacrook:


And yes SD forumers I've turned over a new leaf I am no longer the SD bashing troll you know me by so please do forgive me.

staplesla Jan 28, 2010 5:56 PM

Consultant: New Stadium Needs Shared Financing
 
The cost of building stadiums for professional sports franchises has increased beyond the ability for owners or even public entities to pay for them alone, a consultant hired by the Centre City Development Corp. said Wednesday.

Stadium price tags skyrocketed beginning around 2002, leading to the $1.2 billion stadium opened during the current NFL season for the Dallas Cowboys, said Mitchell Ziets, who made a presentation to the CCDC board of directors.

Ziets provided background information that CCDC officials hope will help them negotiate a financial package for the Chargers to build a stadium in downtown San Diego.

"We're a long way from any kind of football stadium yet," CCDC Chairman Fred Maas said.

All 11 NFL stadiums built or renovated since 2002 were funded by a mix of public and private financing, with multiple jurisdictions often being involved, said Ziets, of Evolution Media Capital in New York City.

Ford Field, the stadium for the Detroit Lions, was built with the participation of the city and county, according to Ziets. Lucas Oil Stadium was built for the Indianapolis Colts with the help of several counties, and other stadiums received financing from state governments, he said.

The Chargers said for several years they wanted to privately finance a new home. But when the site at the edge of East Village became the last viable alternative, they conceded that public financing would be required.

The trend, however, is for NFL owners to shoulder a greater share of the financial burden, Ziets said.

"Teams are willing to put more (money) in," he said. "Are they willing to fund it themselves? No."

He said teams in the biggest markets were willing to put in more money for stadium construction. San Diego is traditionally considered a small sports market, but since Los Angeles doesn't have a professional football team, the definition of the local market is less precise.

* Ziets' report did include several nuggets for those who support the downtown stadium idea:
* Since the early 1990s, 27 of 38 stadium referendums in all professional sports were passed by voters. Of the 11 that failed, 10 were eventually built after passing a later vote, gaining legislative approval or obtaining private financing
* Around the new millenium, a stadium being a catalyst for nearby development was just an idea, but now it's reality, with recent examples being the Padres' Petco Park and Staples Center in Los Angeles
* The Florida Marlins of Major League Baseball managed to attract financing for a new stadium despite a small fan base and poor economic conditions similar to those of California
Lenders who have not been involved in stadium financing in the past are more interested now

Maas said Ziets will return in two to three months with a report that's more precise about the situation in San Diego, and he hopes the Chargers will have completed a financial feasibility plan by then regarding the East Village site.

http://www.10news.com/news/22358446/detail.html

IconRPCV Jan 28, 2010 9:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneMetropolis (Post 4670498)
I support this stadium. I wonder if it really will come to fruition!:notacrook:


And yes SD forumers I've turned over a new leaf I am no longer the SD bashing troll you know me by so please do forgive me.

Ahh that puts my heart at ease, Now that you support it it is sure to get built.

KevinFromTexas Jan 30, 2010 12:40 AM

This thread is about San Diego. So leave politics and Obama out of it. If you want to talk politics, this isn't the thread for it. Last warning.

Derek Jan 30, 2010 6:40 AM

Damn it. I missed something. Does anybody want to send me a PM and fill me in? :)

eburress Jan 30, 2010 6:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 4673895)
Damn it. I missed something. Does anybody want to send me a PM and fill me in? :)

I'm guessing it was troll-related. ;)

dl3000 Jan 30, 2010 6:26 PM

O good that was resolved. Anyway, I was checking out some stuff related to the trolley and it got me thinking, whatever happened to the mid coast study to La Jolla? Is that shelved or still in the works or what? Also, along Morena, that would be 6 tracks going down there if HSR and Trolley get built. Is there room for that?

tdavis Jan 31, 2010 2:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dl3000 (Post 4674379)
O good that was resolved. Anyway, I was checking out some stuff related to the trolley and it got me thinking, whatever happened to the mid coast study to La Jolla? Is that shelved or still in the works or what? Also, along Morena, that would be 6 tracks going down there if HSR and Trolley get built. Is there room for that?

Council member Sherri Lightner is pushing for the HSR to now go down the I-15 to Mission Valley (bypass UTC, SD Airport, downtown). The Mid-Coast extension is scheduled to use the same right-of-way and the HSR/San Diego Trolley were going to combine the development into one to save money, but now because of the latest push to move HSR the trolley extension has stalled.

Here is more information on the MidCoast Trolley extension: http://www.sandag.org/index.asp?proj...rojects.detail

HurricaneHugo Jan 31, 2010 4:19 AM

stupid

Derek Jan 31, 2010 8:15 AM

Stalled projects?! My favorite. :)

Fusey Jan 31, 2010 5:33 PM

^ Sounds similar to what I'm working on in Honolulu right now. The rail line across the southern stretch of Oahu was supposed to be elevated. Now the state practically wants to start over and build the entire thing on ground-level.

SDfan Feb 1, 2010 6:26 AM

Someone needs to tell Sheri Lightner to shut up!

What is with this city?!

dl3000 Feb 1, 2010 5:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdavis (Post 4675016)
Council member Sherri Lightner is pushing for the HSR to now go down the I-15 to Mission Valley (bypass UTC, SD Airport, downtown). The Mid-Coast extension is scheduled to use the same right-of-way and the HSR/San Diego Trolley were going to combine the development into one to save money, but now because of the latest push to move HSR the trolley extension has stalled.

Here is more information on the MidCoast Trolley extension: http://www.sandag.org/index.asp?proj...rojects.detail

Thanks for the info. I had no idea they were taking that relocation of the HSR proposal so seriously.

staplesla Feb 1, 2010 11:28 PM

dl3000 - An organization has now been formed to "save the Rose Canyon from rail." This Rose Canyon is the current preferred alignment for the HSR and Mid-Coast Trolley extension. Currently the Amtrack runs through there.

This organized group of individuals have been working with Sherri Lightner and the CA HSR to move the line to continue down I-15 and stop in Mission Valley. From what I understand those in opposition to the current proposed line through UTC, down the I-5, by Old Town, the airport, then downtown SD have raised such a fuss that HSR is seriously considering moving the project. And I've been told the HSR will announce the final preferred route this month.

tdavis Feb 1, 2010 11:32 PM

The CA HSR set up a special mailbox because of the large amount of complaints they were getting about the Rose Canyon.

Anyone interested in voicing their concerns or stating your support for keeping the preferred route the same can email: rosecanyon@san.rr.com and
comments@hsr.ca.gov

HurricaneHugo Feb 1, 2010 11:52 PM

what the heck....screw Rose Canyon

build the Regents Bridge as well

dl3000 Feb 2, 2010 4:22 PM

Only reason I can think of is that Rose Canyon is along one of the more prominent faults in the region, but I doubt that has anything to do with it. Thanks for the info.

staplesla Feb 2, 2010 6:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dl3000 (Post 4678475)
Only reason I can think of is that Rose Canyon is along one of the more prominent faults in the region, but I doubt that has anything to do with it. Thanks for the info.

Their rationale is all environmental. Though I understand the need to protect the environment, it's not as if we'd be building rail lines where there aren't already any. Freight and Amtrack already travel through here.

SDDTProspector Feb 2, 2010 6:42 PM

The downtown library is a go!!!
 
Turner construction has got the contract to build the downtown library, they currently looking for partners to sub-contrator now.... My buddy's company has just just received the offer today to bid.....

Expect to hear more news soon!!!

Derek Feb 2, 2010 6:45 PM

Hopefully we hear more good news like that. I've always loved the new library. :)

HurricaneHugo Feb 3, 2010 6:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDDTProspector (Post 4678754)
Turner construction has got the contract to build the downtown library, they currently looking for partners to sub-contrator now.... My buddy's company has just just received the offer today to bid.....

Expect to hear more news soon!!!

Nice!

eburress Feb 3, 2010 5:35 PM

Wow - that would be big news if something were to happen there! Maybe they'll eventually revive Library Tower as well! hahaha

Derek Feb 4, 2010 3:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eburress (Post 4680141)
Wow - that would be big news if something were to happen there! Maybe they'll eventually revive Library Tower as well! hahaha



I'll believe it when I see it... :P

SDCAL Feb 4, 2010 5:53 AM

That is truly fantastic news!! (the library).

tdavis Feb 4, 2010 7:14 AM

CA HSR Public Comment Hearing
 
FYI - Thursday morning (02/04) California High-speed rail is holding a public hearing for anyone wishing to speak out regarding on the proposed rail lines.

Save Rose Canyon is going to be present to press for the change to I-15 (no longer through UTC, airport, downtown).

I'll be there to ask CA HSR to keep the preferred route as it is.

SANDAG
401 B Street (downtown)
9 AM

kpexpress Feb 4, 2010 8:50 AM

Budget and Finance subcommittee meeting tomorrow night. We're going to prioritize the projects to make sure the most important (debatable) gets funded first and foremost. Should be interesting. Here's a preview of the list: (in no particular order)

Neighborhood Issues:
Utility Box Removal from sidewalks
Neighborhood Design Guidelines
214 signalized intersections
128 Mid Block street lights
866 ADA ramps and sidewalks
416 corner trash receptacles in neighborhood centers
48 bike racks in neighborhood centers
master bike plan and bike racks

Park Issues:
north embarcadero visionary plan
park maintenance program
park procurement
park construction
green bridge (wide sidewalks) at park blvd for peds and bikes
plant 10,000 trees by 2030

Transportation and Transit issues:
C street realignment and improvements
way finding sign construction
way finding maintenance plan
MTS coordination
MTS capital improvements (stations, circulation, etc.)
I-5 corridor study
freeway lids over I-5 North side
elimination of off ramp/reopening of cedar to two way traffic and peds
Freeway lids over I-5 East Side
Relocate Bus yard and reopen 15 street
open B street to peds and trans
Parking, remote/offsite/shared

Plans/Programs and Stand Alone Studies
Airport overlay development guidelines
School development plan
community facilities plan
health facilities plan
public art plan
business of health/human services facilities outside of downtown
guidelines for "gateway" entrances to downtown

Housing Issues:
procurement rental housing sites
supportive housing
housing for 150%-250% AMI

Capital Projects: (rate each item 1 to 5, 1 being the highest)
New main library
north embarcadero visionary plan
quiet zone
c street realignment
2 new fire stations

Possible New Capital Projects:
North embarcadero visionary plan (phases 2-5)
Convention center expansion
New downtown football stadium

Projects with downtown impacts:
New cruise ship terminal
airport expansion
new civic center

Feel free to share your thoughts on what should be a priority in your opinion.

ShekelPop Feb 4, 2010 7:11 PM

Some news out of chula vista from yesterday's UT:

Quote:

CHULA VISTA — After nearly eight years of planning, negotiating and waiting, the Pacifica Cos. received a key approval yesterday from the San Diego Unified Port District to move ahead with a land swap needed for a hotel and residential development on Chula Vista’s beleaguered bayfront.

The Port District’s board of commissioners voted 5-1 in support of allowing the company to swap 97 acres it owns on the northern end of the bayfront near the Chula Vista Nature Center for the Port District’s 35 acres just east of the marina.

Pacifica plans to build a 250-room hotel and a 1,500-unit condominium project on the site.
(Port OKs swap to allow bayfront hotel and condos, By Tanya Sierra, http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...el-and-condos/ )

HurricaneHugo Feb 4, 2010 9:21 PM

That land they currently own would be nice for a stadium (if downtown falls through).


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