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lubicon Apr 28, 2020 6:22 PM

Logically north of Spokane it should angle through Sandpoint and enter Canada at Kingsgate / Eastport on Hwy 95.

craner Apr 28, 2020 9:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 8906478)
Logically north of Spokane it should angle through Sandpoint and enter Canada at Kingsgate / Eastport on Hwy 95.

That’s what I was thinking.

flipper316 May 1, 2020 4:25 AM

https://twitter.com/GlobalBC/status/...890521088?s=19

Dengler Avenue May 1, 2020 6:40 PM

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.14573...8i6656!5m1!1e4

Wth, if you keep going west, the lane painting is wrong!

Dengler Avenue May 6, 2020 10:58 PM

TCH Twinning Near Chase Greenlighted
 
https://canada.constructconnect.com/...se-moves-ahead

Woot, woot! Has anyone else seen this yet? :D

Metro-One May 6, 2020 11:48 PM

Wait just a minute!

That’s a major downgrade.

The interchange was the preferred option.

Now it is two protected T intersections?

What the fuck!

Send letter now!

Dengler Avenue May 6, 2020 11:50 PM

Oops my habit of not reading the entire article is biting me hard.

Metro-One May 6, 2020 11:54 PM

I literally just looked at their website the other week, and this was the selected design for phase one:

Here is phase one which will begin construction this year I believe:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d1848942_o.jpgChase5 by Ian, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b800e7c0_o.jpgChase1 by Ian, on Flickr

This was after all the consultations and had been the chosen design for years!

What the fuck is with this sudden out of left field downgrade!!!???

Metro-One May 7, 2020 12:22 AM

Just checked the website, it has literally just been changed.

Project officially downgraded from a single interchange to 2 at grade protected T intersections.

Only contact info is this:

Maike Schimpf
Project Manager
Telephone: 250 828-4976

Someone call this guy and get answers as to what the fuck happened.

Dengler Avenue May 7, 2020 12:25 AM

NDP cheap-out just as with B.C.-19

Metro-One May 7, 2020 12:26 AM

This is a major cheap out.

Even the most recent community engagement resources available say this:

Quote:

1.2. Chase Creek Road to Chase West
This project involves four-laning a 3.4 km of Highway 1 starting at the Chase Creek Road, continuing to the west end of the Village of Chase. The project includes new frontage roads and a single grade separated interchange near the existing Shuswap Chase Creek Road Intersection. Detailed design is nearly complete and tender is anticipated this summer with construction completion in 2020.
This also proves my point that cheaping out on interchanges does not equal more highway expansion. The length of the project remains the same / the second phase hasn’t been accelerated.

Dengler Avenue May 7, 2020 12:29 AM

Anyway what we did with B.C.-97 through Kelowna and with TCH skimming by Field, B.C., we will do again with Chase.

Where are our SSP-ers from Interior B.C.? This sudden change in design can be seen as an utmost form of betrayal. The only contact information is here:

Maike Schimpf
Project Manager
Telephone: 250 828-4976

Tell them to bring back the interchange. No NDP-style cheap out like that SFPR.

Metro-One May 7, 2020 12:40 AM

To be fair the SFPR was a cheap out by the Liberals.... but to be double fair the NDPs plan at the time as opposition was to full out cancel and not build the SFPR or any other replacement road project in its absence.

But let’s not let that distract us from this current project at hand

Dengler Avenue May 7, 2020 3:18 AM

By the way, I found Maike Schimpf's email address on https://dir.gov.bc.ca/gtds.cgi?show=...tCode=R2PROMAN.
It is Maike.Schimpf@gov.bc.ca.
While we are at it, maybe it's also a good idea to call/email Jennifer Fraser at 250 828-4298 (or Jennifer.Fraser@gov.bc.ca) since she's in charge of the TCH program.
It's time to flood their emails and phone lines. :hell:

I'm glad that an initial search on LinkedIn which led me to B.C. MTI's website turned up stuff.

Metro-One May 7, 2020 3:19 AM

Maybe also contact local newspapers in the area?

Dengler Avenue May 7, 2020 3:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Metro-One (Post 8914794)
Maybe also contact local newspapers in the area?

Sure thing, though I feel that they're probably fuming too. How about a petition directed at Horgan, Fraser & Schimpf?

Also, since I have no roots in Interior B.C., lol will the two listen to me?

Metro-One May 7, 2020 3:34 AM

Does that matter? Is this not the “Trans Canada!”

Dengler Avenue May 7, 2020 3:43 AM

Alright I just wrote an email to both of them. It may go to their spam folder but at least I've tried.
Quote:

Dear Maike Schimpf & Jennifer Fraser:

While I was happy to learn that the twinning of Trans-Canada Highway near Chase, B.C., would commence, I was also appalled to learn that the original design, which included 1 interchange and which was the final design shown in community consultations, has been scrapped and replaced with 2 T-protected intersections instead, and that B.C. MTI did not notify anyone of this until now. This is not right, and I ask that the original design be upheld.

Sincerely,
(Insert name)
Thoughts?

Corndogger May 7, 2020 3:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue (Post 8914816)
Alright I just wrote an email to both of them. It may go to their spam folder but at least I've tried.

Thoughts?

I would have added more points and cc'd opposition members, media outlets, the mayor, the area's representative in the government and even the feds.

Dengler Avenue May 7, 2020 3:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corndogger (Post 8914825)
I would have added more points and cc'd opposition members, media outlets, the mayor, the area's representative in the government and even the feds.

Sure. Do it then. For me, I kept it short because I preferred concision.

Metro-One May 7, 2020 3:55 AM

It’s not even just the fact that the project is moving ahead with protected Ts, it’s also the fact that this literally came out of no where at the last moment possible. A complete betrayal to all the materials shown up to now.

Sent my email too.

Dengler Avenue May 7, 2020 4:00 AM

You know what? We do need to inform the local newspapers about this too. Hopefully enough agree with us to care to send the emails in. Just, lol, how? Also it's 12 am for me so I should sleep soon. I was supposed to sleep 2 hours ago.

Mazrim May 7, 2020 8:36 PM

What is the $200 million allocated for the Chase section even being used on now?

There's plenty of projects that see changes before going out for Tender, but this is pretty significant and seems like a bait and switch.

Corndogger May 7, 2020 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mazrim (Post 8915478)
What is the $200 million allocated for the Chase section even being used on now?

There's plenty of projects that see changes before going out for Tender, but this is pretty significant and seems like a bait and switch.

What do you think this new plan would cost? My guess is that even with the pedestrian overpass it wouldn't be much more than $30 million.

Dengler Avenue May 8, 2020 12:16 AM

http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...=1#post8915654 #2034
Guys help me out please. :D Thanks in advance.

VANRIDERFAN May 8, 2020 4:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue (Post 8914816)
Alright I just wrote an email to both of them. It may go to their spam folder but at least I've tried.

Thoughts?

I used your template and got the template reply

Good morning Donald

Sorry for the delay in responding to you.

I’m also very happy to have the project live on BCbid for the industry to bid. I personally believe this project will result in much safer travel through this section.

The revision to two protected T’s is a response from overwhelming public feedback to have safe intersections which provide full East/West movement from the community.

I’d be happy to have a call with you next week to discuss the changes and answer any further questions you may have. If this is acceptable to you, please let me know if there are times suitable to you and the best number to reach you at.

Best regards,
Maike

Dengler Avenue May 8, 2020 4:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN (Post 8916191)
I used your template and got the template reply

Good morning Donald

Sorry for the delay in responding to you.

I’m also very happy to have the project live on BCbid for the industry to bid. I personally believe this project will result in much safer travel through this section.

The revision to two protected T’s is a response from overwhelming public feedback to have safe intersections which provide full East/West movement from the community.

I’d be happy to have a call with you next week to discuss the changes and answer any further questions you may have. If this is acceptable to you, please let me know if there are times suitable to you and the best number to reach you at.

Best regards,
Maike

The first part’s new!

Ps: Donald Van Riderfan? xD

Mazrim May 8, 2020 4:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corndogger (Post 8915641)
What do you think this new plan would cost? My guess is that even with the pedestrian overpass it wouldn't be much more than $30 million.

Yeah, the $20-30 million level sounds about right for 3 km of twinning and a couple at-grade intersections. What's the rest of the Chase project entail to add up to $200 million?

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN (Post 8916191)
I used your template and got the template reply

Good morning Donald

Sorry for the delay in responding to you.

I’m also very happy to have the project live on BCbid for the industry to bid. I personally believe this project will result in much safer travel through this section.

The revision to two protected T’s is a response from overwhelming public feedback to have safe intersections which provide full East/West movement from the community.

I’d be happy to have a call with you next week to discuss the changes and answer any further questions you may have. If this is acceptable to you, please let me know if there are times suitable to you and the best number to reach you at.

Best regards,
Maike

Lots of non-answers and having to read between the lines. I have to imagine if they're answering like this, they're trying to avoid being on the record for the reasons for changing it so significantly. If the public consultation report is still up, I'd be curious to see what it says about "interchange" vs "intersection".

Corndogger May 9, 2020 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazrim (Post 8916200)
Yeah, the $20-30 million level sounds about right for 3 km of twinning and a couple at-grade intersections. What's the rest of the Chase project entail to add up to $200 million?

I have no idea what the rest of the project entails but I doubt we'll see it built under the current government.

Quote:

Lots of non-answers and having to read between the lines. I have to imagine if they're answering like this, they're trying to avoid being on the record for the reasons for changing it so significantly. If the public consultation report is still up, I'd be curious to see what it says about "interchange" vs "intersection".
I hope they didn't take advantage of the fact that most people have no idea that there's a difference between the two words. Even the media often will call an interchange an intersection.

Dengler Avenue May 13, 2020 12:05 AM

I just checked my email and realized that the people from B.C. MTI actually tried to schedule a meeting with me. I am going to reply. Who else got an invitation? How do I prepare for this lolol?

Edit: The scheduled meeting time is 5:30 - 6 pm. Do I assume PST?

Mazrim May 13, 2020 5:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue (Post 8920446)
I just checked my email and realized that the people from B.C. MTI actually tried to schedule a meeting with me. I am going to reply. Who else got an invitation? How do I prepare for this lolol?

Edit: The scheduled meeting time is 5:30 - 6 pm. Do I assume PST?

Why do you have to prepare? Just tell them your thoughts - it's not a debate competition.

Dengler Avenue May 13, 2020 10:18 PM

What the f**k

Yahoo actually converted the meeting time to my timezone. I thought it was 5:30 pm PST when it was actually f**king 5:30 pm EST.

Oh boy damage control for me now.

@Metro-One, please stay strong and keep going.

FML

Metro-One May 15, 2020 2:51 AM

You don’t have to worry so much, just relax :)

Your just giving them your opinion on the project.

Enjoy the conversation.

flipper316 May 17, 2020 6:50 PM

https://www.saobserver.net/news/tend...coming-months/

jimmyboy95 May 18, 2020 6:52 AM

Interesting. Looks like the Salmon River Bridge will be 6 lanes, if you include the acceleration and deceleration lanes for the interchange immediately north of it.

jimmyboy95 May 18, 2020 6:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Metro-One (Post 8914642)
Wait just a minute!

That’s a major downgrade.

The interchange was the preferred option.

Now it is two protected T intersections?

What the fuck!

Send letter now!

Its pretty ridiculous isn't it?

craner May 22, 2020 6:57 PM

These CBA (unionized) agreements the NDP mandates for highway projects in BC sure have the affect of:
1. Increasing costs by a substantial percentage (up to 70% in some examples).
2. Delaying and prolonging schedule for completion.
3. Reducing the scope and quality of the highway improvements.

Isn’t that wonderful ? :hell: Really irritates me.

Dengler Avenue May 22, 2020 7:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craner (Post 8929890)
These CBA (unionized) agreements the NDP mandates for highway projects in BC sure have the affect of:
1. Increasing costs by a substantial percentage (up to 70% in some examples).
2. Delaying and prolonging schedule for completion.
3. Reducing the scope and quality of the highway improvements.

Isn’t that wonderful ? :hell: Really irritates me.

That’s why I’m glad that Ontario didn’t go NDP in 2018. It almost did.

VantageHD May 22, 2020 11:34 PM

I don't know why anyone in the interior would vote for the NDP. They have screwed us on so many occasions. This is just one more.

flipper316 Jun 6, 2020 6:48 AM

Another bs fluff piece article.https://www.castanet.net/news/Salmon...pgrades#301922

Corndogger Jun 6, 2020 7:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipper316 (Post 8944278)

Is there a link to an official site detailing this $1.04 billion project?

craner Jun 6, 2020 5:12 PM

This is all I’ve ever found - but I haven't dug very deep:
http://https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation-projects/highway1-kamloops-alberta

$1.044B over the next 3 years.

flipper316 Jun 18, 2020 8:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV6NaPGlM-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HQmF29SP7I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3S2NYVp7uM
Chase Highway 1 animations.

Mininari Jun 29, 2020 8:37 PM

Not on the TCH/hwy 1 project, but the Hwy 14 project:

Does anyone know when the Highway 14 realignment work will begin? The signs say "complete Summer 2022" and they seem to be wasting a perfectly good construction season in summer 2020 on this one. It feels like many of the BC NDP-driven projects have yet to truly get shovels in the ground.

I can update that the McKenzie Interchange project on Hwy 1 in Greater Victoria is *nearly* finished (loop ramp and double-laning of the McKenzie to Hwy 1 Northbound merge), and they're doing geotechnical work on a left-turn flyover at Keating Rd along Hwy 17. Also, 4-laning of the TCH in Langford between Leigh Rd and Westshore Parkway is humming along (both BC Liberal legacy projects).

Mazrim Jun 29, 2020 9:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mininari (Post 8966604)
Not on the TCH/hwy 1 project, but the Hwy 14 project:

Does anyone know when the Highway 14 realignment work will begin? The signs say "complete Summer 2022" and they seem to be wasting a perfectly good construction season in summer 2020 on this one. It feels like many of the BC NDP-driven projects have yet to truly get shovels in the ground.

If a tender isn't awarded isn't the winter or very early Spring, it can be tough for some jobs to hit the ground running for the summer months. There might also be environmental/wildlife restrictions during some parts of the year preventing work from being done.

Mininari Jul 4, 2020 4:54 PM

Articles on highway projects 'scope-shrink' and 'budget creep' -- enough said? Brought to you by your NDP CBA. Plus, it sounds like the ongoing labour shortages were already having the effect of diversifying the workforce.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/col...to-cbas-impact

https://www.timescolonist.com/opinio...obs-1.24164995

craner Jul 6, 2020 12:47 AM

The first paragraph of that second article says it all:
“ But New Democrats seem to be going out of their way to make the ventures as expensive and time-consuming as possible.”

It’s almost criminal.

Corndogger Jul 6, 2020 2:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craner (Post 8971928)
The first paragraph of that second article says it all:
“ But New Democrats seem to be going out of their way to make the ventures as expensive and time-consuming as possible.”

It’s almost criminal.

If they get reelected what will that say about the B.C. electorate?

s211 Jul 6, 2020 3:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Corndogger (Post 8971981)
If they get reelected what will that say about the B.C. electorate?

Not necessarily anything? Just because one votes for a certain party doesn't automatically mean you agree with everything they stand for or plan to do.

Corndogger Jul 6, 2020 4:32 AM

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Originally Posted by s211 (Post 8972013)
Not necessarily anything? Just because one votes for a certain party doesn't automatically mean you agree with everything they stand for or plan to do.

True. Most voters--at least elsewhere--do have huge problems with spending significantly more on a project than originally budget and even more so when said budget is significantly smaller. Maybe lower mainland voters don't care about money.


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