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Alexcaban Jun 23, 2020 1:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 8958845)
Nope it looked like a passenger flight.

I highly doubt that.

What italian population would need a repatriation flight to YVR, if anything it would have operated to YYZ or YUL.

thenoflyzone Jun 23, 2020 5:44 PM

Got an e-mail from Air France. They will increase YUL to 10x weekly as of July 8th. They are currently offering daily service on the route. Also, they will resume YYZ service with 3x weekly flights on July 5. No word on YVR resumption thus far.

KLM will resume YUL on July 13 with daily service, YVR with 3x weekly service from July 7. YYC resumption pushed back a few days to July 9 as well, 2x weekly service. YYZ has already resumed with daily service. No word on YEG resumption, as they are not allowed to operate there anyways, until our governement lifts the intl route restrictions.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-21jun20/

And, as I had said, almost all Transat routes for their resumption of service will be with the A321neoLR. That is now confirmed. Definitely the right plane for the job, considering the circumstances. The only A332 routes are some of the YUL-CDG runs as well as some of the longer routes, such as YYZ-ATH/FCO and YUL-ATH, where the A321 would struggle.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-21jun20/

hollywoodcory Jun 23, 2020 6:16 PM

KLM AMS-YUL is only 2x weekly 789? That’s all that’s showing for now. Also the YYC resumption has always been July 9.

thenoflyzone Jun 23, 2020 6:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8960307)
KLM AMS-YUL is only 2x weekly 789? That’s all that’s showing for now. Also the YYC resumption has always been July 9.

For YYC, I believe the initial plan was to resume it sooner. Hadn't you mentioned an earlier date on the YYC page a few weeks ago? July 4 or something.

as for YUL, the airlineroute link says daily A332 service from July 13.

Denscity Jun 23, 2020 7:32 PM

YCG Castlegar:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0a7bcf44_b.jpg20200622_195416 by Stanley Humphreys, on Flickr

Geography + fog is why we have so many cancellations in the winter.

hollywoodcory Jun 23, 2020 9:46 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8960324)
For YYC, I believe the initial plan was to resume it sooner. Hadn't you mentioned an earlier date on the YYC page a few weeks ago? July 4 or something.

as for YUL, the airlineroute link says daily A332 service from July 13.

July 4 date was an error on my part. The plan was always July 9.

As for YUL, KLM isn't operating the 330s on long haul flights currently. Only 787/777. I checked again, from July 15 only 2x weekly (Sunday / Wednesday) on 789 is available. But we all know these schedules are being changed hourly.

thenoflyzone Jun 24, 2020 1:05 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8960575)
July 4 date was an error on my part. The plan was always July 9.

I see.

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As for YUL, KLM isn't operating the 330s on long haul flights currently. Only 787/777. I checked again, from July 15 only 2x weekly (Sunday / Wednesday) on 789 is available. But we all know these schedules are being changed hourly.
Guess when Airlineroute posted the schedule, KLM hadn't updated YUL past July 13. Daily A332 was their M.O on the route before COVID.

hollywoodcory Jun 24, 2020 2:05 AM

On the note of KLM, they've loaded a schedule update in August. Mostly the same as July with a few aircraft/frequency adjustments. The 330s are back in the schedule as of now, but I would expect further changes.

YYZ - 1x daily 78J
YVR - 3x weekly 772
YYC - 3x weekly 333
YUL - 2x weekly 789

hollywoodcory Jun 24, 2020 6:22 PM

http://westjet.mediaroom.com/2020-06...ure-its-future

WestJet is contracting out all of it's domestic operations except at YYC / YVR / YEG & YYZ.

thenoflyzone Jun 24, 2020 6:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8961475)
http://westjet.mediaroom.com/2020-06...ure-its-future

WestJet is contracting out all of it's domestic operations except at YYC / YVR / YEG & YYZ.

3,333 positions gone.

lubicon Jun 24, 2020 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8961475)
http://westjet.mediaroom.com/2020-06...ure-its-future

WestJet is contracting out all of it's domestic operations except at YYC / YVR / YEG & YYZ.

I read that to mean gate agents, check in staff etc. correct? In other words everything outside the four core airports will be contracted out?

YYCguys Jun 24, 2020 7:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 8961622)
I read that to mean gate agents, check in staff etc. correct? In other words everything outside the four core airports will be contracted out?

And TAC (turn around crew) as well, from what I understand.

lubicon Jun 24, 2020 8:02 PM

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Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 8961625)
And TAC (turn around crew) as well, from what I understand.

Right. I was under the impression most of those were already contracted out but stand to be corrected.

YYCguys Jun 24, 2020 8:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 8961649)
Right. I was under the impression most of those were already contracted out but stand to be corrected.

I think you’re right. Other than YYC, are there any other stations with WS TAC crew?

Rogie Jun 24, 2020 9:40 PM

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Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 8961625)
And TAC (turn around crew) as well, from what I understand.

Stupid question, what's Turn Around Crew?

whatnext Jun 24, 2020 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8961489)
3,333 positions gone.

Because Westjetters care...subcontracted agents, not so much.

rbt Jun 24, 2020 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogie (Post 8961816)
Stupid question, what's Turn Around Crew?

Load/unload bags, clean aircraft, replenish water, remove sewage, marshal aircraft into/out of the gate.

Basically, everything non-customer facing except fuel (specialization) and food delivery (handled by caterer).

thenoflyzone Jun 24, 2020 11:50 PM

Seems WS doesn't want to waste a good crisis.

No better time than the present to clean up house and blame it on COVID. Wages and working conditions at all airlines are going one way, down, for the foreseeable future.

Dominion301 Jun 25, 2020 1:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 8961649)
Right. I was under the impression most of those were already contracted out but stand to be corrected.

Below the wing yes, I think apart from these four stations, WS has always had below the wing 3rd parties. It’s all the counter/gate agents that will be gone at places like YOW, YHZ, YUL, YWG, YLW, etc. Fire everyone and then rehire some of them at minimum wage.

casper Jun 25, 2020 1:26 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8961977)
Seems WS doesn't want to waste a good crisis.

No better time than the present to clean up house and blame it on COVID. Wages and working conditions at all airlines are going one way, down, for the foreseeable future.

Exactly. You feel sorry for staff who jobs are disappearing however it probably makes sense. They already contract out these functions are foreign airports and have the infrastructure to mange quality of service using outsourced resources. The only business case to have these in house would be cost saving.

With WestJet slowing shifting to a union shop in the future it is going to be harder to manage the customer experience using internal resources. Contractors provide more flexibility with being able to adjust how you deliver the service and customer experience.


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