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If Grays Ferry doesn't blow up for some reason, this will really be the last straw to push development over there once complete. |
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Not sure if this is still up-to-date at all (from last July), but this is the most comprehensive timeline I can find for the whole trail. They expected completion in 2020. It's just hitting me now that that is only TWO years away. Where does the time go?
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https://www.schuylkillbanks.org/projects Looks like construction will begin 2020. The bridge from Grays Ferry crescent to Bartram's garden is supposed to complete next year though. |
I agree 100% that Fenway and Wrigley are icons that every sports field/arena should emulate. Those fields are reminiscent of the "Football" fields that dot London neighborhoods, where everyone walks or takes transit to get to.
What do those have in common? Those fields are well integrated into the surrounding urban fabric. Fenway and Wrigely are both over 100 years and the neighborhoods grew up around them and residents adapted over the years. The problem is - is it really possible - in this day and age - to build an arena or small stadium in a neighborhood? I mean, just look at how crazy neighbors are reacting to Temple's football stadium plans. Nobody these days wants that in their backyard and yet what we're saying is that to have that Wrigley/Fenway experience, it needs to be within the neighborhood, not isolated. |
Looks like there is heavy abatement under way at the Inquirer Building, thats a good sign that the reno will be starting in coming months. I'm curious what type of abatement the building needed, wouldn't be surprised if it was mold and asbestos.
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I believe the stadium I the best location for so many reasons that said a second arena might not go there but could, albeit redundant I think what we all miss is the stadium area could be improved and developed even the lot where the Vet was could have apartments built (street wall of sorts) around the perimeter without giving up to much parking. Imagine a closed street with more bars etc along CBP plus I think the apartments would be a different market than normal in the city and have great PT BSL access |
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For the Eagles that works great, for the Sixers not so much. Also go to Fenway and you'll clearly see that atmosphere if not every great sporting event atmosphere is dependant on tailgating in a parking lot. |
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I thought Xfinity Live would help with the atmosphere. Plus, the Casino going down there is gonna help. So, the WFC is good where it's at, no? |
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1. The weather isn't as nice as it is for Phillies games 2. The games aren't full day events into themselves like Eagles games If they make deep playoff runs and the weather turns, the tailgates will come. The Winter Classic was a great outdoor atmosphere for the Flyers because the game was a full day event. I don't think you could call the subway ride down to stadiums suburban and that's definitely part of the experience. Can you explain what the atmosphere you're referring to is? As for comparisons, let's stop with saying we can build something urban like Fenway, Wrigley or MSG. We can't replicate that without 100 years of organic neighborhood growth around the stadium (maybe we could do that in South Philly by 2118?) and we're not NYC. For a basketball/hockey arena, our comps are TD Bank in Boston and Verizon Center in DC, maybe the Dunk in Providence? None of those creates any sort of gameday atmosphere. I'm sure they do well, but we'd be losing something if the arena went elsewhere. |
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this may be a dumb question, but I believe the galleria was build with the intent to support additional structures, could the galleria hold a stadium above it from 11th to 9th?
MSG is probably 3 or 4 stories above grade at the arena ground floor level, already parking and obviously transit and would not erode the street atmosphere. And with the convention center basically attached could be an attractive attachment for conventions The market facing side could have an open concourse of glass and restaurants/bars, even active lighting as the trend seems that way there just a brain fart but I would hate to see a big lot DT taken away for another large complex I hate to see a lot taken by an arena DT TD works because is little off the main beat and path |
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