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i guess whatever it is that some people think makes chicago not midwestern stems from a confusion regarding the same batch of contemporary economic/cultural distortions that apply to all highly global and globally connected places, with varying effects.
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I’d really love to see the number of Armenian, Persian, Russian, Hebrew, and Yiddish speakers with the addition of Glendale, Burbank, Pasadena, West Hollywood, Beverly Hills, and Calabasas. I bet the number of Armenian speakers in Glendale is like half of LA city’s total. Of all the Armenians I’ve come across here in LA, the vast majority of them were proud full-Armenians and could speak the language.
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Chicago is every bit as Midwestern as NYC is Northeastern.
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Succinct and truthful. |
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EDIT: too easy to verify to not include hard numbers: NYC - NY population: 44% Chi - IL population: 21% And for reference, some other major cities - state pops: Bos - Mass: 10% Den - Colorado: 11% Sea - Wash: 10% ATL - GA: 5% Quote:
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Most of NYC suburbia is in other states, so it could be argued that NYC most dominates NJ, moreso than NY (ie a higher share of NJ is in NY metro than NY). |
Docere was almost certainly talking about metro area, not city proper.
the illinois counties of chicago's metro area constituted 67.8% of illinois' total population as of the 2010 census. i don't know how the new york counties of NYC's metro area stack up against the state's overall population. that said, illinois isn't #1 in this measure. rhode island is the most dominated because the whole damn state is included in providence's metro area. massachussets/boston might be above illinois too, along with hawaii/honolulu. but illinois might be the only geographically "large" state to have more than 2/3 of it's population in a single metro area. |
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NYC + (only) LI - NY: 83% Including other metro NY counties would probably push it upwards of 90% of the state pop? |
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The overall share of NY State population in NY metro is probably roughly comparable, or a tad lower, than Illinois population in Chicagoland. Westchester has just under 1 million, and the other counties north of the Bronx have another 800k or so. But that wasn't my point. You can't determine share by city proper. Places like MA and GA are absolutely dominated by cities with small city proper populations. MA is basically Boston and then second home area/college towns for New Yorkers (western MA). GA has this gigantic expanding blob of sprawl called Atlanta, even if over 90% of the sprawl isn't in the city proper. |
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the 12 new york state counties of NYC's metro area constitute 68.0% of new york state's population. that's nearly identical to metro chicago's 67.8% share of illinois. |
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Regardless, NY Metro (within NY state) and Chicago Metro (within IL, but probably even including IN population) roughly dominate the same population share of their respective states. Secondly, you can definitely use city proper in this (admittedly silly) exercise, because we're talking "state domination" in terms of political and social sensibilities. There are vast swaths of any metro area (especially less dense ones) that absolutely would not share the same urban perspectives as residents in the cities proper. Thirdly, my original point that "no city dominates their respective state like Chicago" is incorrect, since NYC certainly does, still stands -- with or without the faulty number I grabbed from wikipedia. |
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Las Vegas has the highest share of state population at >70%
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