Yeah...that's just it.
The idea that the so-called "meeting" was gonna be highlighted by a compkete rendering was a bunch of cack. It turned out to be for the base shown in the pic and nothing else. That IMO explains why all the protestations about the cantilevering got tuned the way they did. It turns out that nothing that we see above the podium is final. Not the cantilever; not the facade; not the width of the residential shaft.... Not. A. Dad. Gum. Thing. I'm sure what we're seeing at street level in the render is complete, though. |
^ Well, that meeting was particularly about the cantilever over the landmarked building. They could have shown renderings of the complete tower then, but chose not to. It's not surprising to me though because Extell played it very close with One57. It was under construction before we had an idea of what it looked like. Unlike other renderings that we are used to seeing where the design is tweeked and tweeked again, when we get the full thing here, it will show exactly what is being built.
I still believe the video is accurate, we just couldn't see enough details in it to give us a clear picture of the final design. Official renderings will give us the full story, views from every angle, interiors, etc. |
http://observer.com/2013/10/communit...udents-league/
Community Board Rejects Extell’s Plan to Cantilever Skyscraper Over Landmarked Art Students League http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...pg?w=260&h=298 By Kim Velsey 10/11/13 Quote:
They need to go ahead and design the tower as-of-right, just as was done with One57. Forget about cantilevering over landmarks already. My guess is that there already is a plan B. |
That's good news IMO. Now go back to the drawing boards and give us a design that we can really get excited about.
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I wonder if not having cantilever will make them go to full height 1550ft since this would allow to have more units with unobstructed central park views.
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Good News! Can't believe I'm actually rooting for the NIMBYs.
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That said, they need to to higher. There's just no other option with 220 CPS interfering.
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wow, score one for the nimbys!!!! can extell just go to the department of buildings and get a permit issued anyway?
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LOL, so we're all on the side of NIMBYs all of a sudden, but it's not over. The hearing at LPC is scheduled for the 22nd, Tuesday after next.
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Why not move the tower to the front of the front of the building (on 58th) and forget the cantilever all together? It seems that would make the core more "development friendly" when it comes to the Nordstrom portion of the tower.
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Looking at that photo, it looks like it could be shifted, one way or the other. But I think in the past week or so we've had a lesson on presentation, both concerning landmark buildings. We see a great design met with enthusiasm (111 w. 57th) and we se a questionable design, with not much of a presentation at all (Nordstrom). I think Extell and Nordstrom should have been more upfront about the design of this tower, or presented something that would have been great enough to erase any concerns about the cantilever. The crane malfunction a few days ago at One57 didn't help things. They could have had more of those people in their corner with a better presentation. The secretive nature of the way they are going about it makes people a little uneasy, they wonder what Extell's hiding.
I hope this is a lesson concerning 1 Vanderbilt also. People are wary of tall buildings - let alone supertalls - and if you present something of that scale less than worthy of this city, they may not accept it. We've had three reveals (sort of) in the past couple of weeks or so, and only one is really being met with a level of enthusiasm and excitement. |
I am happy!
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Jeebus Twerking Chrissamus...They might as well calls this Plan C, coz IMO this whole cantilever thing's really starting to look like a poorly thought out overreaction to the masterpiece that 111 W57 needs to be started on now, and to hell with permit niceties.
This is beyond exasperating right now; and it's gotten to the point that Extell, Norstrom's and Smith/Gill should be given "HELLO My name is" stickers with the names Moe, Shemp and Larry on them and have them fight over who gets what. I mean dammit......... |
Maybe not worthy of opening a new thread but still promising news:
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For further discussion see here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...03#post6300303 or a new thread. |
Another supertall potentially rising near central park? It's almost unbelievable if all of these proposals/visions come to fruition.
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And, in any case, they aren't asking for approval for the building as a whole, but for a cantilever, to accommodate the retail better. |
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This assemblage got started when Hadassah (a Jewish women's organization) sold off its office building on 58th Street last year. |
The 100-story possibility is INSANE and affirms 57th Street's rise as the densest and most prominent skyscraper canyon in the entire world - developing cities like Dubai and Shanghai may have several supertalls, but none are arranged in the fashion of 57th Street's behemoths, where you can appreciate the thoroughfare's sheer density.
In fact, NYC may actually surpass both of the aforementioned in # of supertalls as well, if the current batch of proposals (what; we're at 15-20 now?) are all built. Insanity! And even more ridiculous is the fact that the NIMBYs are correct in the case of 225 W 57th, and that YIMBY is leading the charge. It feels shameful, wrong, confusing, and bewildering to take an anti-Nordstrom Tower position, but Extell's lack of transparency & blatant disregard for the ASL in the discussion of the tower's rise is the catalyst. I am all for a 2,000' tower at 225 West 57th, as long as the design is stupendous; focusing the discussion on JUST the cantilever when the building is going to have such an enormous impact is unwise on Barnett's part. |
Let's not get carried away here. It's all just talk and speculation at this point. Lots of things can happen that can derail some if not all these ambitious projects, not the least of which is this government crisis Washington is currently going through.
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