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Derek Apr 26, 2007 12:30 AM

^yeah, consider Ontario-LA airport, Bob Hope, John Wayne, Palmdale

Derek Apr 26, 2007 1:35 AM

An example of a successful joint use airport in Rome:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovan_...tional_Airport


(Oh, and get this...it has only ONE runway...)




edit: WHY THE F*** DID WE PULL PEAVY!? :hell:

SDCAL Apr 26, 2007 4:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SD_Phil (Post 2795139)
This is just false. I don't think SD should pin it's hopes of updating the airport on the LA area's airports reaching capacity. There are several major regional airports in LA County (and environs) that are nowhere near capacity. Even if LAX were to somehow reach 78 million passengers a year AND not be able to change its legislatively mandated limits (a BIG if) there are still enough regional airports to handle the overflow. If SD waits on all those to fill it'll be another 60 years before anything happens!

I think it will come down to which city get's their head out of the sand first, but i'm afraid it will be LA :( If you search through current news articles there are at least dicsussions going on in LA concerning improving/expanding LAX. Alot of the focus has been since the test flight of the new airbus jumbo jet and LA wanting to prepare for the future larger planes. Mayor Villaragossa (spelling??) is at least bringing the issue up for discussion unlike our mayor who seems to ignore the whole thing.

Bottom line is SoCal has no nice airports that function globally and whichever place - be it SD, LAX, OC, Burbank or wherever makes the first move to totally build new or revamp an exisitng airport state-of-the-art will bennefit tremendously economically. I am just afraid LAX will undergo vast improvements before SD even gets started on a new airport and leave us in the same boat we are in now.

I have flown internationally out of both LAX and SFO and the difference is like night and day in the international terminal. SFO is clean, new, modern, very beautiful architecture, customs moves quickly, whereas LAX's Bradley Interntional terminal is falling apart. It is worse than airports I have seen in developing Asian countries. There are stains on the walls and ceilings, customs is more like a crowded chaotic bazaar in Cairo than a funtioning airport, and it smells like a sewer. It was hastily built for the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles and has basically had no improvements doen since. Basically SoCal has a golden opportunity for some regional city to capitalize on creating a state-of-the-art airport for our region, I wish SD would move to the forefront !

SD_Phil Apr 26, 2007 5:04 AM

^Agreed. It really seems like LAX WILL undergo its modernization and much sooner than Lindbergh will be replaced. I'm really really confused about what our options are here. Our representatives have shown a lack of determination to move on this issue and the military has shown that is WILL NOT work with the city. What happened to the North County proposals?

ANYWAY...here's a quickie update of the construction going on in the Costa Verde Center near UTC:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/197/4...eb61dc44_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/4...cf7819a8_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/210/4...e7c5467d_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/203/4...772fc835_o.jpg

eburress Apr 26, 2007 5:55 AM

^^ How tall is this one going to be?

spoonman Apr 26, 2007 6:09 AM

^^^Wow...that's going to house lots of old people

HurricaneHugo Apr 26, 2007 6:40 AM

I saw two relatively tall cranes up by the 28th street naval station

anybody know what's going up there?

bmfarley Apr 26, 2007 7:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2795112)
^Regarding that, is the HSR strongly supported by the people in the state? I'm not really up to date on that stuff.


(But I strongly favor it!:tup:)

People that know what HSR is... are very supportive of it. But, currently only about 10% of the California population knows what it is. So, that says more education is needed to get more support.

SDCAL Apr 26, 2007 10:58 PM

Cosmo Square - Library Tower
 
I stopped by the CCDC office downtown today and asked someone working there about these two projects.

She said she heard Cosmo Square has been delayed yet again, but said it has not been cancelled

She said Library Tower is on-schedule and not on hold in any way, so we'll see, hopefully she's correct

CCDC's map with the carboard models includes a model for Library Tower but not for Cosmo Square which seems to coincide with what the CCDC person said, Library Tower seems pretty solid but Cosmo is iffy

The one thing I was struck by when looking at the models were how much smaller (much narrower) the high-rises in the ballpark area are compared to other areas of DT like up towards Cortez Hill, around and including Vantage Point, and Little Italy. Looking at the models it was also interesitng to see how much the Federal Courthouse building will stand out when completed

Derek Apr 26, 2007 11:12 PM

^Either or will suit me just fine, but having both would make me probablly have an orgasm.

Thanks for checking. :tup:

Trvlr Apr 27, 2007 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD_Phil (Post 2795139)
This is just false. I don't think SD should pin it's hopes of updating the airport on the LA area's airports reaching capacity. There are several major regional airports in LA County (and environs) that are nowhere near capacity. Even if LAX were to somehow reach 78 million passengers a year AND not be able to change its legislatively mandated limits (a BIG if) there are still enough regional airports to handle the overflow. If SD waits on all those to fill it'll be another 60 years before anything happens!

Several major regional airports? Try...one. That is ONT, and it is indeed the only bright spot in this whole mess. Palmdale, too, might become some sort of regional reliever, but will only satisfy the needs of far inland citizens, at best.

Let's recap the condition of LA's other airports:

LAX: The passenger cap means that the airport is required, by law, to accomodate no more than 78 million passengers. Modernization might make the airport more enjoyable for travelers, but it cannot raise the cap.

Orange County (SNA): Also has a passenger cap (10.3 million), which is approaching fast. Moreover, physically the airport cannot be expanded. There's no room.

Burbank (BUR): Same deal as SNA. Totally hemmed in by development, no room to expand.

...and there you have it. Unless you expect ONT to become another LAX, there's going to be a big problem in the LA basin over the next decade. LAWA spent many, many years of wrangling with local governments getting the go-ahead for their current modernization plan; raising the cap to 90 million will be twice as hard and twice as costly. It is going to be much easier for the powers that be in Los Angeles to turn to San Diego's own capacity shortcomings to help mitigate theirs.

SD_Phil Apr 27, 2007 1:24 AM

^Long Beach?

Also, let's recap:

Laws can be changed. LAX will modernize. LA County can expand its airport capacity. If San Diego is waiting for the LA metro airports to reach capacity before doing something about its own airport situation then we won't see it in our lifetime.



edit--

Also, La Jolla Commons midrise seems fully framed in steel (8 floors). Drove by it today.

eburress Apr 27, 2007 2:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SD_Phil (Post 2798178)

Also, La Jolla Commons midrise seems fully framed in steel (8 floors). Drove by it today.

Doesn't it still have 7 more floors to go? I thought it was going to be a 15 story building.

I just confirmed and also re-read your original message. Yes, the building is fully framed in steel, it is currently at floor #8, and has 7 more floors to go before it tops out at 15.

About the airport, unless we all live very long lives, we won't see a new airport in SD.

Edit #2 --> Back to La Jolla Commons (or surrounding area), I'm surprised that what's being built around La Jolla Commons is so short. For example, on the spot between LJC and I-805, a 2 story office building is planned. If the office market is so tight and there are so few available spots to build, it seems to me that building a 2 story building is really under-utilizing such a prime spot.

SDCAL Apr 27, 2007 2:40 AM

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Originally Posted by eburress (Post 2798353)
Doesn't it still have 7 more floors to go? I thought it was going to be a 15 story building.

I just confirmed and also re-read your original message. Yes, the building is fully framed in steel, it is currently at floor #8, and has 7 more floors to go before it tops out at 15.

About the airport, unless we all live very long lives, we won't see a new airport in SD.

I think we will see a new airport around 2025-2030

on unrelated note, was reading about the Hard Rock condotel. They are going to have a Nobu Restaurant. Never been to one myself, but they are supposed to be pretty good high-end places and are in trendy locals like NY, Miami, Las Vegas, LA and of course Tokyo. here's what the articel said:

With a reputation for innovation, quality and creativity, Nobu is the ideal choice as the featured restaurant at Hard Rock Hotel San Diego. Having pioneered nouveau Japanese cuisine across the globe, Nobu Matsuhisa tapped the Hard Rock property to be his seventeenth location. With offerings such as Yellowtail with Jalapeno, Tiradito Nobu Style, Lobster with Wasabi Pepper Sauce and Black Cod with Miso, sushi lovers and A-listers will be vying for reservations at this see-and-be-seen destination. Guests will have the option of dining in the main dining room, in the private dining room, or at the sushi bar.

“Hard Rock Hotel San Diego is a natural next step for Nobu,” said Nobu Matsuhisa. “We’ve been in Hard Rock Hotel and Casino Las Vegas for about eight years and the brand is so strong worldwide. I also live in Los Angeles and I love coming to San Diego, so when I saw the location, I was in. The hotel and the city itself have such a dynamic, fresh energy and is the perfect setting for us to provide exceptional food and service in an atmosphere that is stylish and comfortable.”

About Nobu
Nobu, the world’s most recognized Japanese restaurant known for its innovative new style Japanese cuisine, started as a business partnership in 1994 between chef Nobu Matsuhisa and his partners actor Robert De Niro, producer Meir Teper, and managing partner Richie Notar. With the original restaurant in New York, the Nobu brand is now an empire that spans across the globe, from London to Tokyo, Las Vegas to Malibu, Milan to Miami Beach, Dallas to Paradise Island, The Bahamas. The newest location in Hong Kong is followed by upcoming openings in Waikiki, Los Angeles, and San Diego. Nobu restaurants, all a visual and culinary delight, continue to win unprecedented praise and rave reviews from such publications as the New York Times, the Zagat Surveys, and the Michelin Guide. The restaurants' perennial popularity and devoted following are a tribute to Nobu putting his own spin on traditional Japanese cooking. For additional information, visit www.noburestaurants.com

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SDCAL Apr 27, 2007 2:44 AM

Anyone know, does LAX have room to not just rennovate but to actually expand?

eburress Apr 27, 2007 4:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 2798369)
on unrelated note, was reading about the Hard Rock condotel. They are going to have a Nobu Restaurant. Never been to one myself, but they are supposed to be pretty good high-end places and are in trendy locals like NY, Miami, Las Vegas, LA and of course Tokyo. here's what the articel said:

With a reputation for innovation, quality and creativity, Nobu is the ideal choice as the featured restaurant at Hard Rock Hotel San Diego. Having pioneered nouveau Japanese cuisine across the globe, Nobu Matsuhisa tapped the Hard Rock property to be his seventeenth location. With offerings such as Yellowtail with Jalapeno, Tiradito Nobu Style, Lobster with Wasabi Pepper Sauce and Black Cod with Miso, sushi lovers and A-listers will be vying for reservations at this see-and-be-seen destination. Guests will have the option of dining in the main dining room, in the private dining room, or at the sushi bar.

“Hard Rock Hotel San Diego is a natural next step for Nobu,” said Nobu Matsuhisa. “We’ve been in Hard Rock Hotel and Casino Las Vegas for about eight years and the brand is so strong worldwide. I also live in Los Angeles and I love coming to San Diego, so when I saw the location, I was in. The hotel and the city itself have such a dynamic, fresh energy and is the perfect setting for us to provide exceptional food and service in an atmosphere that is stylish and comfortable.”

About Nobu
Nobu, the world’s most recognized Japanese restaurant known for its innovative new style Japanese cuisine, started as a business partnership in 1994 between chef Nobu Matsuhisa and his partners actor Robert De Niro, producer Meir Teper, and managing partner Richie Notar. With the original restaurant in New York, the Nobu brand is now an empire that spans across the globe, from London to Tokyo, Las Vegas to Malibu, Milan to Miami Beach, Dallas to Paradise Island, The Bahamas. The newest location in Hong Kong is followed by upcoming openings in Waikiki, Los Angeles, and San Diego. Nobu restaurants, all a visual and culinary delight, continue to win unprecedented praise and rave reviews from such publications as the New York Times, the Zagat Surveys, and the Michelin Guide. The restaurants' perennial popularity and devoted following are a tribute to Nobu putting his own spin on traditional Japanese cooking. For additional information, visit www.noburestaurants.com

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Now that's exciting news - I can't wait! :frog:

Derek Apr 27, 2007 4:10 AM

Maybe we can use eminent domain and force people to leave thier homes in the South Bay, but, we relocate them for free into the empty condo towers downtown. How's that for an airport idea?;)

:frog:

Derek Apr 27, 2007 4:30 AM

Well, a new report came out on the new Chargers stadium. It looks like they will remain in the county, but the city is yet to be determined. I'm pulling for National City or Chula Vista due to the trolley already going down to that area, I'm sure it can be worked in. I definitly don't want it in Oceanside, it is simply too far from everything else the SD metro has to offer IMO. Plus, it doesn't have trolleys, my favorite part of Charger games! But if we have to in order to keep them in the county, I would be all for it. :)

eburress Apr 27, 2007 4:31 AM

^^ It sounds as feasible as any of the other proposals.

Derek Apr 27, 2007 4:33 AM

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Originally Posted by eburress (Post 2798651)
^^ It sounds as feasible as any of the other proposals.

My ridiculous airport plan, or the Chargers?


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