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q12 Feb 28, 2022 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamincan (Post 9551091)
I'm surprised YHZ doesn't have service to PEI.

There were 4 flights a day on Air Canada between Halifax and Charlottetown that existed as long as I can remember before the pandemic.

They may come back in some form if demand is there when things return to normal passenger numbers.

Pre-Covid 2019-2020:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esl_-lwW...pg&name=medium

thenoflyzone Feb 28, 2022 1:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 9550793)
Canada closes air space to Russian operators.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...anes-1.6366268

Was a matter of time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9550862)
While insignificant vis-a-vis the human tragedies, war crimes and loss of life, it was noted today that the AN-225 'Dream in Ukraine) was (symbolically) destroyed by the Russians.

https://i0.wp.com/www.opindia.com/wp...g?w=1102&ssl=1
https://www.opindia.com/2022/02/an22...ussia-antonov/

What a damn shame !

thenoflyzone Feb 28, 2022 1:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9550632)
AC had cancelled today evening's flight to DEL from YVR, YYZ, and YUL.

AC48 YYZ->DEL from this morning was operated as normal

AC43 DEL->YYZ just left Russian airspace.
AC45 DEL->YVR is currently in Russian airspace.
AC49 DEL->YYZ for tomorrow will be diverted to YUL.


I guess AC will no longer go through Russian airspace in maybe a few hours, once AC45 returns to Canadian airspace?

From the AC system, looks like the current plan will be tech stop at DUB for:
YVR->DEL
DEL->YYZ
DEL->YUL

The following flights are still planned with non-stop
DEL->YVR
YYZ->DEL
YUL->DEL

Makes sense, and pretty much as I had foreseen. Eastbound non stops doable from YYZ/YUL, but tight from YVR. This being said, if the eastbound return to YVR is doable non stop, then you’d think YVR-DEL could be done as well.

Denscity Feb 28, 2022 1:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by q12 (Post 9551116)
There were 4 flights a day on Air Canada between Halifax and Charlottetown that existed as long as I can remember before the pandemic.

They may come back in some form if demand is there when things return to normal passenger numbers.

Pre-Covid 2019-2020:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esl_-lwW...pg&name=medium

What's taking so long for demand to come back? I'm surprised two locations so close would lack in traffic.

thenoflyzone Feb 28, 2022 2:16 AM

First Russian flight to go around Canadian airspace.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL157

An earlier flight transited Canada though.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL111

So Alghabra‘s tweet from 9am this morning stating that it is effective immediately wasn’t accurate.

Dominion301 Feb 28, 2022 2:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 9550973)
Airports With Non-Stop Flights To The Most Provinces/Territories
YYZ: 12 (no YT*)
YEG: 12 (no NU)
YUL: 11 (no NT, YT)
YOW: 11 (no SK, YT*)
YYC: 11 (no NB, NU)
YVR: 9 (no NB, NL, NU, PE)
YWG: 8 (no NB, NL, NT, PE, YT)
YHZ: 8 (no NT, NU, PE, SK, YT)

*YYZ and YOW have direct service to YXY

YOW is currently 10 as AC is not operating YOW-YYT this summer...unless it gets back on the list with a future PD, F8 or WO announcement. PD and PAL still fly direct YOW-NFLD though. Pre-pandemic, YOW was 12 with SK as well. I imagine YOW-YYT will return for summer 2023.

YUL is 10 as they don't have any nonstops to NU. Still have direct to NU though - used to have YFB, but still have Sanikiluaq on Air Inuit.

thenoflyzone Feb 28, 2022 3:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9551189)
YOW is currently 10 as AC is not operating YOW-YYT this summer...unless it gets back on the list with a future PD, F8 or WO announcement. PD and PAL still fly direct YOW-NFLD though. Pre-pandemic, YOW was 12 with SK as well. I imagine YOW-YYT will return for summer 2023.

YUL is 10 as they don't have any nonstops to NU. Still have direct to NU though - used to have YFB, but still have Sanikiluaq on Air Inuit.

The list should just be for direct service. As long as it's same plane, same flight number, it should count.

This way, you remove the asterisk next to YYZ and YOW. YYZ would go up to 13 as well.

thenoflyzone Feb 28, 2022 3:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9551188)
First Russian flight to go around Canadian airspace.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL157

An earlier flight transited Canada though.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL111

So Alghabra‘s tweet from 9am this morning stating that it is effective immediately wasn’t accurate.

Speaking of...

https://twitter.com/Transport_gc/sta...30837702914064

q12 Feb 28, 2022 1:40 PM

Quote:

Updated NOTAMs prohibiting Russian flights — now included: Finland, Norway, Slovakia.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMr7ZS-X...pg&name=medium
https://twitter.com/flightradar24/st...86261852909570

homebody Feb 28, 2022 4:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9551113)
With WO adding YEG-YQM, it’s possible WS could be adding YYC-YQM on its mainline. They still haven’t announced their summer plans yet.

It could also be possible to add a YSJ to YYC with WO or WS instead. Lately there seems to be quite a bit of interest in YSJ for some reason.

Dominion301 Feb 28, 2022 5:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9551252)
The list should just be for direct service. As long as it's same plane, same flight number, it should count.

This way, you remove the asterisk next to YYZ and YOW. YYZ would go up to 13 as well.

In that case, YOW would go up to 12 as PD and PAL both have same-plane service to NL and 4N to YT.

magee_b Feb 28, 2022 6:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 9551155)
What's taking so long for demand to come back? I'm surprised two locations so close would lack in traffic.

Air Canada Express offered flights from YHZ to YYG/YFC/YQM/YSJ multiple times a day through EVAS Air (on 19 seater B1900D). They were good for connections at times (to NFLD, or the LHR flight or some points west). Those went away with COVID.

PAL tried to pick these routes up, but it was in between covid waves and the flights were limited and offered limited to no connections at YHZ. Didn't last long.

Without a smaller aircraft (sub-50 seater) hard to see AC bringing them back. Could potentially work on a Q400 if it was daily and offered same-plane service to YYT or some other onward destination.

hehehe Feb 28, 2022 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magee_b (Post 9551788)
Air Canada Express offered flights from YHZ to YYG/YFC/YQM/YSJ multiple times a day through EVAS Air (on 19 seater B1900D). They were good for connections at times (to NFLD, or the LHR flight or some points west). Those went away with COVID.

PAL tried to pick these routes up, but it was in between covid waves and the flights were limited and offered limited to no connections at YHZ. Didn't last long.

Without a smaller aircraft (sub-50 seater) hard to see AC bringing them back. Could potentially work on a Q400 if it was daily and offered same-plane service to YYT or some other onward destination.

I wonder if even a couple of the former B1900 routes come back. I could see a single daily on one or two of YHZ-YQM/YFC/YYG and one or two of YYC-YXH/YQL/YXC maybe working for AC.

BenYOW Mar 1, 2022 2:52 PM

Red Deer Regional Airport is set to begin a significant airfield expansion / upgrading program, including widening Runway 17-35 from 30 m to 45 m and strengthening the main taxiway and apron. The total project cost is $15M, with $7.5M funded by the Province of Alberta and $7.5M by the City of Red Deer and Red Deer County. Work is to commence in the spring and finish this fall.

Press Release
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Thanks to the generous support of the Government of Alberta, Red Deer County and The City of Red Deer; Red Deer Regional Airport is set to begin a $15 million dollar expansion plan, which includes: widening of the main runway from 30 meters to 45 meters and strengthening of the main taxiway and apron. Once complete, these key infrastructure upgrades will allow the airport to attract the types of businesses and aircrafts commonly associated with low cost airlines, cargo operators, and heavy aircraft maintenance/repair facilities.

“Now more than ever, aviation and related businesses are actively looking for alternatives to the ever increasing costs associated with operating out of large airports. With low user fees and lease rates, free parking and no airport improvement fees, the Red Deer Regional Airport is well positioned for future growth,” states Garett Cupples, Board Chair, Red Deer Regional Airport Authority.
Separate from the $15M in airfield works, it also appears that an additional $3M will be directed to a new terminal to support ULCC operations, pending the entry into an agreement with a prospective carrier. Swoop, Flair Airlines, and Lynx Air have all expressed interest in servicing Red Deer, with a deal to be announced in the coming weeks. The existing terminal building was converted for use as a Fixed-Base Operator in 2019.

Red Deer Advocate

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Red Deer Regional Airport is expected to land a low-cost passenger carrier following an announcement that $18 million will be spent on a new terminal and runway upgrades.

Premier Jason Kenney, Transport Minister Rajan Sawhney, Education Minister Adriana LaGrange and other officials and municipal leaders were at the airport on Monday to announce $7.5 million in provincial funding for the project. The City of Red Deer and Red Deer County are contributing another $7.5 million.

Kenney said Alberta’s aviation industry employs more than 70,000 people and contributes $7.2 billion to the province’s GDP.

The investment will make Red Deer a “natural hub” for low-cost carriers to connect Albertans to destinations across Canada.

“I see a day when families from Calgary and Edmonton and elsewhere in the province might drive down here to Red Deer to benefit from competitive, low-cost passenger service,” said Kenney. “I just think it will be a huge boost.”

Red Deer Regional Airport CEO Graham Ingham said work to build a new terminal, widen the main runway and strengthen taxiways and aprons will begin this spring and be finished in the fall.

“We’ve got a lot of interest from low-cost carriers,” said Ingham. “Red Deer is a great airport for that type of business.

“It’s very efficient. Quick in and out, and low user fees. It fits that business model really well.”

Swoop Airlines, Flair Air and Canada’s newest ultra low-cost carrier, Lynx Air have all expressed interest in Red Deer.

“My job now is to get an agreement in place with a low-cost carrier so we can move ahead with our terminal construction, which we hope to get done as early as this fall and start flights in mid-November,” he said.

“My main message is the days of having to travel back and forth to Edmonton and Calgary are hopefully a thing of the past.”

Expect an announcement of a deal in coming weeks, said Ingham.

Having an air link will also help boost economic diversification in the region and promote investment and tourism.

Besides luring a passenger service provider, the upgrades will benefit existing airport businesses and help attract new aviation-related services to the 200 acres of airport land available for development. At full build-out, well over $2 million in annual lease revenue could be generated.

While passenger service obviously took a big hit during the pandemic, the cargo side of aviation is as strong as it has ever been, he said.

Red Deer Regional Airport’s land is well suited for cargo operations, heavy aircraft maintenance facilities and similar aviation-related businesses. Widening the runway to 45 metres from 30 metres was key to luring those kinds of tenants, he said.

Regional Airport board chair Garett Cupples said with aviation-related businesses looking for ways to avoid escalating costs at major city airports, smaller airports are well-positioned to take advantage.

Coldrsx Mar 1, 2022 2:59 PM

Very positive for Red Deer; I am curious to see who decides to enter that market.

Dominion301 Mar 1, 2022 9:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9552638)
Very positive for Red Deer; I am curious to see who decides to enter that market.

Seems like a prime candidate for Flair copying what they've done at YQU and YMM. YYZ-Alberta-YVR 2-3x/week in each direction. Would lower the risk on Red Deer as the flights can carry thru pax.

q12 Mar 1, 2022 9:37 PM

Russians currently off the coast of Atlantic Canada on their way to Cancun...

https://i.postimg.cc/fbwHS2cn/n4355.png

https://www.flightradar24.com/NWS355/2afba9ef

jamincan Mar 2, 2022 1:11 AM

So about 250 extra kilometres.

Djeffery Mar 2, 2022 2:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamincan (Post 9553406)
So about 250 extra kilometres.

Biden just closed US airspace to Russians, I wonder how much farther that trip is now?

thenoflyzone Mar 2, 2022 6:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamincan (Post 9553406)
So about 250 extra kilometres.

Huh?

More like 620 NM (1150km) more. That's around 11,5% longer.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=svo-cun...n&MS=wls&DU=mi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 9553467)
Biden just closed US airspace to Russians, I wonder how much farther that trip is now?

Based on FR24, it's a full 2 hours longer.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/n4355

Feb 25, flight took 13 hrs.
Mar 1, it took 15 hrs.


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