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CoolCzech May 1, 2007 10:47 PM

"The top of Foster's lower Manhattan building, canted in the shape of four diamonds, will also have "hedge fund space," he said."

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How is "hedge fund space" any different than any other kind of office space?

NYguy May 1, 2007 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolCzech (Post 2808185)
"The top of Foster's lower Manhattan building, canted in the shape of four diamonds, will also have "hedge fund space," he said."

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How is "hedge fund space" any different than any other kind of office space?


:shrug:

NYguy May 1, 2007 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolCzech (Post 2808180)
Is there even a pretense that Libeskind has any role left to play at Ground Zero, or has he moved his studio back to Berlin?

I'm sure he's still lurking about, but he has projects elsewhere. But whenever there's a major revelation or presentation of new renderings, you can be sure he'll be around to comment.

NYguy May 1, 2007 11:51 PM

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Silverstein said construction will start on two of the buildings at the trade center site in January. The Maki-designed property may not begin until July 2008, he said. The Foster building is at 200 Greenwich St. and the Rogers building is at 175 Greenwich St. The third building hasn't been given an address.

"The train is now moving down the tracks," Silverstein said. "We go into the ground the first of January for two buildings."

I'm not sure if that's just a misquote or not. But everything before has led us to believe that Tower 2 would get the later start. That makes more sense, especially considering the portion of the tub where Tower 2 will go will be finished last.

Aleks May 2, 2007 2:15 AM

its the best but i feel 2 diamonds each the same height would look nice also
and the diamonds should reach the same height as the smaller of the two twin towers
oh will the color change from a dark blue or black to a sky blue as it aproaches the top?!?!
cause on some pictures the bottom is black-ish/ dark-blueish and then changes to this light blue/ sky blue color

Aleks May 2, 2007 2:17 AM

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66462501/original.jpg

see what i mean or is it just the shadow of another building?!?!?

djvandrake May 2, 2007 2:20 AM

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66462508/original.jpg

So, do we know if this color change from base to crown is just a product of the rendering, or is this part of the design? It's beautiful nonetheless.

djvandrake May 2, 2007 2:22 AM

Geez, we all three posted the question at the same time. :haha:

mindbender May 2, 2007 3:58 AM

It'd be a neat effect if done right. But I suspect pulling it off would be a near impossibility.

nygirl1 May 2, 2007 5:26 AM

Isn't it just shadows casted by other buildings and reflections at those levels of the building?

STERNyc May 2, 2007 5:35 AM

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Originally Posted by nygirl1 (Post 2809026)
Isn't it just shadows casted by other buildings and reflections at those levels of the building?

I remember when the project was released that Foster said in an interview that the tower would become lighter as it rose, I'll try to find the article.

Antares41 May 2, 2007 5:37 AM

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Originally Posted by nygirl1 (Post 2809026)
Isn't it just shadows casted by other buildings and reflections at those levels of the building?

I agree! you can't get to serious about renderings otherwise you start seeing things on the bldg that may not be reflective of what is cost effective, technically feasible.

Adyton May 2, 2007 7:02 AM

STERNyc is definitely "correct"... Foster and Silverstein both indicated in the WTC2 introduction press conference that the building (cladding) will lighten as it grows taller. Foster definitely designed it to be this way... it's NOT a shadow effect;)

NYguy May 2, 2007 12:22 PM

Something else to keep track of...

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at Silverstein's offices over ground zero, where architects for his three towers work together on one floor, looking at a digital clock ticking off the days, minutes and seconds until the next planning deadline.....More detailed drawings were completed this month; they include ideas like sleek fins on the outside of Norman Foster's tower to control the light, a black marble wall inside Fumihiko Maki's tower and a huge, airy lobby with a video installation inside Richard Rogers' tower.
I really want to see those new renderings....:yes:

Thskyscraper May 2, 2007 3:19 PM

^^ Sounds interesting. This is a great looking building, I like the 'fade' effect that the building has, I'd love to see something like that.

Antares41 May 2, 2007 3:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Adyton (Post 2809129)
STERNyc is definitely "correct"... Foster and Silverstein both indicated in the WTC2 introduction press conference that the building (cladding) will lighten as it grows taller. Foster definitely designed it to be this way... it's NOT a shadow effect;)

I'll believe it when I see it. Easy to draw! much harder to justify the cost of once construction cost start to escalate.

NYguy May 2, 2007 7:09 PM

wtc.com
fosterandpartners.com

200 GREENWICH STREET
FOSTER AND PARTNERS
ARCHITECTURAL FACT SHEET - SEPTEMBER 2006

SITE INFORMATION
200 Greenwich Street (Tower 2) is located on the site bounded by Greenwich Street to the west, Church Street to the east, Vesey Street to the north and Fulton Street to the south. It will be east of the proposed Performing Arts Center and north of the Transportation Hub.

PROGRAM
200 Greenwich Street, a 78-story tower, will be the second tallest skyscraper on the World Trade Center site and in New York City. The tower will rise to 1,254 ft and be topped by an antenna of 85 ft.

The tower will contain 143,000 sq ft of retail (of which 95,000 sq ft is at or above street level), 60 office floors, including a sky-lobby, that total 2.3 million sq ft and a 65-foot high office lobby. It will have a total of nine entrances: five entrances from street level, two below-grade entrances from the WTC Transit Hub and two from the retail area.

The first office floor begins at 583 ft above street level. A typical office area offers more than 36,000 sq ft of space. There will be four trading floors totalling 219,200 sq ft and 11.5 levels of mechanical floors.

DESIGN CONCEPT
Designed by Foster and Partners, 200 Greenwich Street's sparkling glazed crystalline form and diamond shaped summit create a bold addition to the New York skyline.

Arranged around a central cruciform core, the tower comprises four blocks containing light-filled, flexible, column free office floors that rise to the 59th floor, whereupon the glass façades are sheared off at an angle to address the Memorial Park. Giving the building its distinctive inclined summit as the second tower in the World Trade Center Master Plan, 200 Greenwich Street also acts as a symbolic marker of the location of the Memorial Park when viewed from any location. The upper floors contained within the summit provide the opportunity for spectacular multiple-height function rooms with sweeping views of the park, the river and the city.

A continuation of Foster and Partners' investigation into the nature of the tower, 200 Greenwich Street takes structural, functional, security, environmental and urban logic to a new dimension. The tower is influenced by the geometry of the site, with the cruciform core providing the structural backbone as well as the key organizing diagram. It accommodates the primary vertical circulation, with high-speed shuttle elevators rising to an intermediate sky lobby where the upper floors are served by two further banks of elevators. It also allows for cross-corridor circulation by providing excellent orientation at every level, and opening views out across the office spaces.

Extending the logic of the core, the volume of the tower is punctuated on all four sides by notches - elegantly breaking up the mass of the tower into four interconnected blocks. Towards the perimeter, the core culminates in dedicated flexible zones with the opportunity to create staircases between floors, and the possibility for double-height atria. These zones can be an integral part of the building's environmental strategy by drawing fresh air into the building during spring and autumn.

Connections with the city at street level have been reinforced with glass walls creating a visual relationship with the surrounding streets. The imposing double-height ground floor lobby is connected at the Greenwich Street entrance to the MTA providing direct access to the underground infrastructure system. The lobby rises in level along Vesey Street and includes a further connection with the transport system via escalators and a four-story shopping area connecting with Fulton Street and spilling out onto the Wedge of Light plaza.

BUILDING SYSTEMS
The tower will consist of a central concrete core—steel encased in reinforced concrete—and an external structural steel frame. Safety systems will exceed New York City building code and Port Authority requirements. Designed to the highest energy efficiency ratings, 200 Greenwich Street will seek to achieve the gold standard under the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) by the US Green Building Council.

PROJECT SCHEDULE
200 Greenwich Street is expected to be completed by 2012.

Scruffy May 2, 2007 7:25 PM

The first office floor is at 543 ft. How is that possible. trading floors, and lobby and retail do not equal that? misprint?

sfcity1 May 2, 2007 7:48 PM

This development could change midtown's box and pole syndrome. I hope this great development will create momentum to build more of this architectual splendor in midtown.

NYguy May 2, 2007 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sfcity1 (Post 2810146)
This development could change midtown's box and pole syndrome. I hope
this great development will create momentum to build more of this architectual splendor in midtown.

It's not the Midtown, but Downtown Manhattan skyline that will be changed by this development
(of course, depending on where you view from, it's all one)...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66753660/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66571956/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66571989/original.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by Scruffy
The first office floor is at 543 ft. How is that possible. trading floors,
and lobby and retail do not equal that? misprint?

Some type of error...


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