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Jerseyviews Feb 29, 2020 3:45 PM

This is exactly right. The crown actually will look nice lit, but if they kept the original spire design (regardless of whether they went over the 1776 or not) it would have looked finished and closer to deserving the tallest title.



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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 8845923)
The problem is, it has no exclamation point. It’s too plain, even with the awkward massing. The Sears Tower, the WTC, the Empire State, they all wore a hat, be it an antenna, spire, or whatever, that put an exclamation point on top of the great height that said “ look at me, I am proud, and I am tall, and worthy of such great height.” It’s almost sinful not to have it, especially in New York. I’m sure the crown, when it’s lit, will look decent. But it is not enough. There’s really nothing memorable about this tower. In a city with so many giants, it won’t capture the imagination, as the Empire State and the Twin Towers did when I was a child.


InTheLoopFromNYC Feb 29, 2020 11:58 PM

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NYguy Mar 1, 2020 2:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerseyviews (Post 8846468)
This is exactly right. The crown actually will look nice lit, but if they kept the original spire design (regardless of whether they went over the 1776 or not) it would have looked finished and closer to deserving the tallest title.

It's just weird that a building this tall ends with a wimper. The prior design was better, and didn't need a spire or a "hat". But none of this will matter if a taller tower is build that addresses this.


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Dylan Dude Mar 1, 2020 8:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 8845923)
The problem is, it has no exclamation point. It’s too plain, even with the awkward massing. The Sears Tower, the WTC, the Empire State, they all wore a hat, be it an antenna, spire, or whatever, that put an exclamation point on top of the great height that said “ look at me, I am proud, and I am tall, and worthy of such great height.” It’s almost sinful not to have it, especially in New York. I’m sure the crown, when it’s lit, will look decent. But it is not enough. There’s really nothing memorable about this tower. In a city with so many giants, it won’t capture the imagination, as the Empire State and the Twin Towers did when I was a child.

why do you even post pics of it if you hate it so much? lol

citybooster Mar 1, 2020 11:50 AM

Well it IS very tall, lol... tallest residential tower even with its flatness and lack of distinction on top. The point is, it's by no means a TERRIBLE tower... just for something that soars in the skyline, just lacks personality. It should proudly own the skyline, but it's just there despite being so tall. The biggest residential tower in the Western Hemisphere should have some kind of a "wow" factor. That just isn't here for Central Park Tower.

pianowizard Mar 1, 2020 3:22 PM

Among NYC's 10 tallest skyscrapers that are either built or under construction, 7 have either a spire or a tapered roof. For diversity's sake, I'm glad that at least 3 of them have flat tops: CPT, 432 Park, 3WTC.

streetscaper Mar 1, 2020 5:44 PM

I agree on the diversity point, but I would say the tallest one, the pinnacle of a cluster, should always have a spire or a tapered roof, or a peak itself

TK2001 Mar 1, 2020 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan Dude (Post 8847050)
why do you even post pics of it if you hate it so much? lol

Because the point of these forums is for construction updates? Sure he might not like the building, but he's using the site for it's purpose

SkyHigher Mar 1, 2020 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan Dude (Post 8847050)
why do you even post pics of it if you hate it so much? lol

roleplaying? :koko:

NYguy Mar 1, 2020 8:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan Dude (Post 8847050)
why do you even post pics of it if you hate it so much? lol

It was answered already, but the point of posting pics is to document and show the construction and appearance, especially for those who can’t see it themselves. Using your logic would suggests that people who don’t post pics hate everything.


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Originally Posted by pianowizard (Post 8847122)
I'm glad that at least 3 of them have flat tops: CPT, 432 Park, 3WTC.

3 WTC is standing in the glow of the tallest spire of them all, not sure why you would need one there. As for the other two, I think you make my point. Just wait for the glory that is Tower Fifth to be built, then you can be proud.


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Originally Posted by TK2001 (Post 8847221)
Because the point of these forums is for construction updates? Sure he might not like the building, but he's using the site for it's purpose

That’s exactly it. And I’ve even said it would probably look fine somewhere else, in some generic looking skyline of another town. We’re talking the New York City skyline here, the skyline of skylines. I’ve never said I was against it being built, but I don’t have to like it.

eXodius Mar 2, 2020 6:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 8847343)
That’s exactly it. And I’ve even said it would probably look fine somewhere else, in some generic looking skyline of another town. We’re talking the New York City skyline here, the skyline of skylines. I’ve never said I was against it being built, but I don’t have to like it.

:notacrook::notacrook::notacrook:

This is EXACTLY why I enjoy this forum and people like you who keep the rest of us apprised of the latest happenings in NY! As a former native New Yorker who grew up a little bit in the Bronx, I miss seeing the NY skyline on the regular! Since my last visit a few years ago, NY has changed a LOT! When I was last there, Hudson Yards was barely getting traction! Now it's some futuristic mini-city and it's just Phase 1!

I really appreciate you and others for posting stuff even if it's something you don't necessarily enjoy. In 10 years' time when the next wave of supertalls like Tower Fifth, 350 Park, 270 Park, and others ideally get built up, the skyline will not only even out but we'll begin to appreciate what these "simple towers" do to the skyline just as the former Twins did. They were simplistic but something a LOT of people in this forum still think fondly of. We haven't even seen CPT lit up at night in person! Coupled with 111 W 57th and One Vanderbilt, gonna be VERY hard to argue that the skyline isn't better from their presence, even if much of it won't ever be seen up close by the common Joe.

NYguy Mar 2, 2020 2:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eXodius (Post 8847743)
:notacrook::notacrook::notacrook:

This is EXACTLY why I enjoy this forum and people like you who keep the rest of us apprised of the latest happenings in NY! As a former native New Yorker who grew up a little bit in the Bronx, I miss seeing the NY skyline on the regular! Since my last visit a few years ago, NY has changed a LOT! When I was last there, Hudson Yards was barely getting traction! Now it's some futuristic mini-city and it's just Phase 1!

I really appreciate you and others for posting stuff even if it's something you don't necessarily enjoy. In 10 years' time when the next wave of supertalls like Tower Fifth, 350 Park, 270 Park, and others ideally get built up, the skyline will not only even out but we'll begin to appreciate what these "simple towers" do to the skyline just as the former Twins did. They were simplistic but something a LOT of people in this forum still think fondly of. We haven't even seen CPT lit up at night in person! Coupled with 111 W 57th and One Vanderbilt, gonna be VERY hard to argue that the skyline isn't better from their presence, even if much of it won't ever be seen up close by the common Joe.


Thank you sir, and I’m not even someone who’s hard to please, designwise. There’s so much going on, the skyline is changing at a very fast pace. But there aren’t many places where you can put up a 1,500 ft skyscraper, and most people still don’t know anything about it. Part of it has to do with so many skyscrapers coming so fast (and they’re all relatively new). But it’s also in part because of design. The further away from the skyline, where you can get an accurate view of scale, this building appears almost shockingly tall, but not necessarily in a good way. It’s as if you took an ordinary 500 ft box filler, and stretched it up to 1,500 ft. Buildings of that height just need more, particularly if they are going to be the tallest, as this is in Midtown’s skyline.

But we still get to watch towers like Steinway, 53w53, and 9 Dekalb go up. And we get to look forward to 270 and 350 Park and have expectations for a Grand Hyatt tower. This one will be completed, and we’ll still be watching the skyline change.

TowerDude Mar 2, 2020 9:39 PM

Put a sun tracking solar panel plate on top ...

PhyllisJerry2 Mar 2, 2020 10:49 PM

Honestly, I originally didn’t think this building was going to come out well and I’m very pleasantly surprised. I thought the spire looked cartoonish, at least the way it was designed, and I think the parapet “hat” caps off the building nicely. I look at it as an Empire State vs. Chrysler situation with this tower and 111. Yes, the shorter of the two is the more ornamental, but both are fine buildings nonetheless. No one ever said the ESB was undeserving of its status as the tallest because it was less elaborate than the Chrysler.

NYguy Mar 3, 2020 3:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PhyllisJerry2 (Post 8848544)
I look at it as an Empire State vs. Chrysler situation with this tower and 111.

Hmmm, I don't really get that. Definitely part of a pack though. If you gave Time Warner the height, that would probably feel more like it. When this tower is built, and Tower Fifth (if it is built) is built, and other towers of similar height take the midtown skyline, this tower will really be just the filler that it is. It doesn't seem designed to be more than that, and maybe that's the way it was intended. The high priced condos will get sold, the building will flourish as it was intended. But it won't be the great New York icon that it should have been. I'm sure some people will love it though. There's always that.



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mrnyc Mar 3, 2020 5:44 PM

so there are no close up renders of the crown?

i think the renders we have are from back a ways, or of the whole tower, no?

it seems a mystery.

NYguy Mar 3, 2020 11:18 PM

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NYguy Mar 5, 2020 3:34 AM

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Kumdogmillionaire Mar 5, 2020 4:50 AM

How do you manage to build something so impressive yet so boring at the same time? Remarkable... and not in a good way

UrbanImpact Mar 5, 2020 5:39 PM

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How do you manage to build something so impressive yet so boring at the same time? Remarkable... and not in a good way

Thank you for your opinion.


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