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ethereal_reality May 2, 2015 1:08 AM

Tonight's episode, "Case of the 6 Missing Arched Windows".



A 'pristine' Bradbury Building, 304 N. Broadway at West 3rd Street.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...901/AJLaof.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...633/24F9nO.jpg
http://www.glamamor.com/2012/01/out-...-building.html



The Bradbury Building in the 1950s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/IN1gaV.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...905/pSPdLt.jpg
http://www.glamamor.com/2012/01/out-...-building.html

Note that the six arched windows facing 3rd Street have been covered by signage.



Here's a closer look:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/lzlhJ7.jpg
http://www.glamamor.com/2012/01/out-...-building.html


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/SlV2sl.jpg
http://www.glamamor.com/2012/01/out-...-building.html
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Today, the plethora of signs are gone...but the 6 arched windows at street level remain missing.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/6QLkop.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradbury_Building


I thought the iconic Bradbury Building was pretty much unadulterated. So what happened to these six windows that so successfully mirrored the arched windows on the top floor?



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/8EegTI.jpg
gsv detail


Could there be visible evidence of the missing arched windows inside the Sprint store?

Flyingwedge, do you need a new phone? ;)

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GaylordWilshire May 2, 2015 1:12 AM

http://i.imgur.com/sRFi1Ra.jpgcredit

Have we seen this shot before? The sign at right appears to read "ARCADE"... was it behind the Arcade apartments once at 6061 Hollywood Blvd? Or outside of LA...a beach town? Santa Monica?

tovangar2 May 2, 2015 3:16 AM

replies....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7012033)

Have we seen this shot before? The sign at right appears to read "ARCADE"... was it behind the Arcade apartments once at 6061 Hollywood Blvd? Or outside of LA...a beach town? Santa Monica?

Try Catalina Island. She lived there part of 1943 and into 1944. There's at least one other shot taken at the same location.

Cursum Perficio


Check this one out too


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Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7011474)

I found a 2011 article on blogdowntown.com titled A Thin Residential Conversion Proposed for Broadway. It reports that permits were filed to convert the top three floors of the "100-year-old structure" at 735 South Broadway into residential units. Does anyone know if this is what happened? .

It happened. See here, here and here

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-S...01638%2BPM.jpg
dlanc

Now the Rowley/Vail is 107-years-old.


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Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7011931)

Now back to the epicenter of 'Indian Alley', 118 Winston Street.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...913/LFwn0o.jpg
gsv

"Built in 1887, 118 Winston Street was one of L.A.'s premiere piano shops, a brothel, and the headquarters of a youth communist society and the International Labor Defense.
Sister Sylvia May Cresswell, once crowned 'Queen of Skid Row', ran her 'Soul Patrol' there during and after World War II. The building had a cameo in the film 'The Sting'."


"Then, starting in the 1970s, 118 Winston was the United American Indian Involvement Center, opened to provide a safe place for American Indians to clean up, get a hot meal, and escape the harassment they encountered."

"Since the center moved in 2000, the building has housed a yoga studio, art gallery and residence."

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Recall that Parkinson's Canadian Building (on the right in the photo above) replaced the old Federal Building/Post Office. In a photo in Flyingwedge's terrific post on that site, one can just catch a glimpse of 118 Winston:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6233367)
This is looking SE at the United States Government Building at the SE corner of Main and Winston, between 4th and 5th. It housed Federal courtrooms upstairs and the Post Office downstairs. Some sources, including the caption to this photo, say it opened in June 1893, but other sources say 1890:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps93481640.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics18/00018592.jpg

Looks as though it may have gained some height at some point (?):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_...90416%2BPM.jpg
lapl (detail)

(There were also some "The Sting" scenes filmed in that maze of alleys in the block bound by Union/Colorado & DeLacey/Fair Oaks (next to the Forever 21 block) out in Pasadena)


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Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7012031)
A 'pristine' Bradbury Building, 304 N. Broadway at West 3rd Street.

Pity the gallery above the cornice never got replaced. You think it's lying in pieces on the roof? Maybe MR would like to check?

Nothing to see here:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-A...12920%2BPM.jpg
lapl / cc pierce (detail)

Flyingwedge May 2, 2015 5:28 AM

Boyle Heights Presbyterian Church, 132 N. Chicago Street
 
It required only from July 16 to September 6, 1885, to construct -- if not furnish -- the first home of the Boyle Heights Presbyterian Church:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...z.jpg~original
December 25, 1886 Los Angeles Herald @ Library of Congress -- http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...rRange&page=26

Here's the building on the 1894 Sanborn, on the east side of Chicago Street between East 1st Street and Michigan Avenue:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...q.jpg~original
LAPL

According to a December 30, 1895, Los Angeles Times article that described the opening of the new Boyle Heights Presbyterian Church the
previous day, "The new church is built onto the old one, which is separated from it by sliding oaken panels, and used for a Sunday-school and class-
rooms." Here's the church on the 1906 Sanborn; apparently the old church was moved back and the new church built in front. The building on the left is
the church parsonage at 122 N. Chicago:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...k.jpg~original
LAPL

The 1895 Boyle Heights Presbyterian Church, with the shaded parsonage next door. The church's cornerstone was laid on September 2, 1895, by
Mrs. Elizabeth Hollenbeck, who apparently put up a lot of the money for the church:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...m.jpg~original
Beautiful Highlands of Los Angeles @ Hathitrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...iew=1up;seq=46

LAPL says this is an 1895 photo of the church and parsonage. The rear part of the church that we see may be the 1885 building:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...o.jpg~original
LAPL -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics03/00011186.jpg

The parsonage, for which LA County gives an 1890/95 build date, looks to be in rather bad shape:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...3.jpg~original
May 2014 GSV

I'm not sure when it stopped being the BHPC; some googling indicates it might not be Iglesia Bautista Unida anymore:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...a.jpg~original
May 2014 GSV

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7012031)
Tonight's episode, "Case of the 6 Missing Arched Windows".

Could there be visible evidence of the missing arched windows inside the Sprint store?

Flyingwedge, do you need a new phone? ;)

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You're going to jinx me!

MichaelRyerson May 2, 2015 6:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mstimc (Post 7011434)
MR

Please see below and GW's post right after your reply. Yep, it was Ms. Eggar and it was 1973. 1981 with Kathleen Turner would have been Body Heat, which is a lot more memorable!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070000/...f_=tt_ov_st_sm

My apologies. (But a TV movie? Does that count as having been 'remade'?)

HossC May 2, 2015 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7012033)

http://i.imgur.com/sRFi1Ra.jpgcredit

Have we seen this shot before? The sign at right appears to read "ARCADE"... was it behind the Arcade apartments once at 6061 Hollywood Blvd? Or outside of LA...a beach town? Santa Monica?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7012165)

Try Catalina Island. She lived there part of 1943 and into 1944.

Someone on reddit.com was also tryng to figure out where this picture was taken. From the replies, it appears that the building on the right is the Atwater Arcade (below) on Catalina (as tovangar2 indicated). The Googlemobile hasn't visited Catalina yet, but the same reply gives the address in the photograph as "approximately 119 Sumner Ave".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...aterArcade.jpg
Miss Shari on Flickr


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Thanks for the infomation and links about the Rowley/Vail, tovangar2. When the la.curbed article said the building "features a very handsome backside", I thought I'd clicked on a link to the Athletic Model Guild :).

ethereal_reality May 2, 2015 1:33 PM

I came across this photograph last night on eBay.

'mystery' location.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/AK4led.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOS-ANGELES-...item25a54b97b7

An especially large intersection.

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ethereal_reality May 2, 2015 2:06 PM

I love this gothic-revival church Flyingwedge. Thanks for the great post!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/N3RsDk.jpg
gsv
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ethereal_reality May 2, 2015 2:10 PM

'mystery' location #2.

The seller believes this is somewhere in Hollywood. The date is Dec. 29, 1952.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/Anv2IX.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-SLI...item43dbac4715



I found this dude's boots.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...538/Nfaapf.jpg
http://circusnospin.blogspot.com/201...8_archive.html

They belong to Montie Montana. :)

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Mstimc May 2, 2015 2:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 7012281)
My apologies. (But a TV movie? Does that count as having been 'remade'?)

Oh heavens, no apology necessary! And you're right, "remake" may not be the right word. A few years ago I bought a DVD of the original and it came with the 1973 version free. I could only watch the first 20 or 30 minutes. I think the house where Neff meets Phyllis for the first time was the high water mark of the movie. Some things should be left well enough alone

ethereal_reality May 2, 2015 2:48 PM

'mystery' location #3.

This biggest clue here is Art's Hot Dog Stand.----> far right.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/wDyz0i.jpg
eBay

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tovangar2 May 2, 2015 3:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7012353)

That's it. A perfect match with the second photo:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-G...80430%2BAM.jpg
pinterest (detail)

Thx

P.S. Current shops at the Atwater Arcade are listed here

John Maddox Roberts May 2, 2015 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7011773)
The important item in this scene are those SOFTASILK cake flour boxes. The contrast is obviously noted and seen. Betty Crocker is so pure and wholesome, in contrast to Phyllis Dietrichson . Billy Wilder was always so clever with the symbolism.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psbf6yujly.jpg
noir106

Note also the Gerber baby between Fred and the flour boxes. To Fred's left, symbols of innocence and domesticity. To his right, the embodiment of carnality and evil.

tovangar2 May 2, 2015 6:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7012392)
'mystery' location #2.

The seller believes this is somewhere in Hollywood. The date is Dec. 29, 1952.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/Anv2IX.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-SLI...item43dbac4715

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Maybe Santa Monica Blvd at Westwood Blvd:
Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5967084)

The P.E. Red Car stop at Santa Monica and Westwood Blvds, 1941, looking west:
(the Pontiac dealership on the left is now a Cost Plus)
http://highlandpark.files.wordpress....0178619a_j.jpg
ucla libary - digital collection



tovangar2 May 2, 2015 6:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7012259)
I'm not sure when it stopped being the BHPC; some googling indicates it might not be Iglesia Bautista Unida anymore:

Loopnet says the 1885 church at 132 N Chicago belongs to "United Mexican Baptist Ch Inc" since 4/29/2011 and is tenanted by "United Baptist Church, East Los Angeles Barrio". Zillow says the 1890 parsonage is 5bd/2ba.

Nice post. Thanks.

GaylordWilshire May 2, 2015 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7012392)
'mystery' location #2.

The seller believes this is somewhere in Hollywood. The date is Dec. 29, 1952.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/Anv2IX.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-SLI...item43dbac4715


Lankershim and Chandler... North Hollywood. The picture below was taken slightly to the left of the one above, aiming more toward the right:

http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/nohooutbound.jpg
uncanny.net

John Maddox Roberts May 2, 2015 7:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7011941)
That's a good point. It may have something to do with that era....1944. A lot of people were hoping to get married in those days. Wedding rings were selling like hotcakes.

Alan Ladd was another who refused to remove his wedding ring for a role. He had a collection of fake jewels and insignia and such to clip onto it when was in an unmarried role. Still wore it in his last role, as Nevada Smith in "The Carpetbaggers."

CityBoyDoug May 2, 2015 7:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts (Post 7012592)
Note also the Gerber baby between Fred and the flour boxes. To Fred's left, symbols of innocence and domesticity. To his right, the embodiment of carnality and evil.

You are very correct John. To her right in the screen version of this photo we see the sign BABY FOOD. Was the food safe to eat after this scene? :D

John Maddox Roberts writes: Alan Ladd was another who refused to remove his wedding ring for a role. He had a collection of fake jewels and insignia and such to clip onto it when was in an unmarried role. Still wore it in his last role, as Nevada Smith in "The Carpetbaggers."

I wasn't aware of that. I would suspect that there were others also. Hollywood has some strange fetishes.

Remember that Hollywood was founded in the 1890s on the principals of clean living, sobriety and the Bible. Then came the movies and things changed....a lot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood

HossC May 2, 2015 7:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7012392)

The seller believes this is somewhere in Hollywood. The date is Dec. 29, 1952.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/Anv2IX.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-SLI...item43dbac4715

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7012627)

Lankershim and Chandler... North Hollywood.

That ties in nicely with this promotional yardstick I found advertising Huffaker's Auto Parts. The store was at 5406 Lankershim Boulevard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
eBay

It looks like the owner of the store had another claim to fame. Whitley Van Nuys Huffaker was the first baby born in Van Nuys. This article is from the October 19, 1972 edition of Valley News from Van Nuys.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
www.newspapers.com

I had a look for their original house at Sylmar and Sylvan, but I couldn't find it. That may be due to new Google Maps being horrendous to use compared to the classic version in terms of speed, features and interface! I'd use Bing Maps if their StreetSide images weren't such poor quality.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
www.newspapers.com

The LA Times also ran an article about Whitley Van Nuys Huffaker in 1989 - it's titled The Valley Yesteryear : Whitley Van Nuys Huffaker: Van Nuys' firstborn.

Martin Pal May 2, 2015 8:15 PM

Just a thought about MacMurray's ring in Double Indemnity: Perhaps the insurance boys would wear them to discourage the women they dealt with? Though, why would they and it didn't work in this case anyway. Heh!
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As for James M. Cain novels, does anyone have any opinion of them? I do.
I've read three of them: Double Indemnity, The Postman Always Rings Twice
and Mildred Pierce. Cain has a lot of good ideas, but I feel his writing leaves
a lot to be desired. ALL of the films based on his books are way better than
slogging through his pulp prose.


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