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dales5050 Aug 25, 2015 6:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tyleraf (Post 7141713)
The UT has an article on the recently completed Pinnacle on the Park (15th and Island) which also mentions tower two and 11th and Broadway.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...east-villages/

Maybe I am being hypercritical here but when I read luxury apartments and then see stock cabinets with low grade appliance that do not even fit the space...I have trouble considering it luxury...

Still a very nice building however...

http://i.imgur.com/iJRI2fa.png

eburress Aug 25, 2015 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dales5050 (Post 7141843)
Maybe I am being hypercritical here but when I read luxury apartments and then see stock cabinets with low grade appliance that do not even fit the space...I have trouble considering it luxury...

Still a very nice building however...

http://i.imgur.com/iJRI2fa.png

They put in granite countertops and called it "luxury." hahaha

I completely agree!

HurricaneHugo Aug 26, 2015 6:28 AM

Main reason I didn't buy one.

That and the fact that I'm broke.

nezbn22 Aug 26, 2015 9:04 PM

This list isn't always accurate, but Civic SD has posted its project status log as of July 2015:

http://www.civicsd.com/images/storie...OGJULY2015.pdf

SLO Aug 26, 2015 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dales5050 (Post 7141843)
Maybe I am being hypercritical here but when I read luxury apartments and then see stock cabinets with low grade appliance that do not even fit the space...I have trouble considering it luxury...

Still a very nice building however...

http://i.imgur.com/iJRI2fa.png

This is somewhat standard protocol in these buildings. I saw it in Miami and spoke to the developers. They dont want to put in anything other then the cheapest finish because most buyers will customize it. Its only to get their cert of occupancy and provide something for people to visualize. That is finished exactly the same as the ones I toured in Miami.

The Flying Dutchman Aug 27, 2015 1:28 AM

You'd think the case would be different for apartment rentals vs. condos. Who knows, maybe they do different finishes the higher up in floors you go. I heard somewhere that all San Diego condos/apts. have special finishes after the 20th floor. Just hearsay.

SDfan Aug 27, 2015 4:34 AM

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Originally Posted by nezbn22 (Post 7143389)
This list isn't always accurate, but Civic SD has posted its project status log as of July 2015:

http://www.civicsd.com/images/storie...OGJULY2015.pdf

Interesting to see a development proposal for the old California Theatre site.

dales5050 Aug 27, 2015 5:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SLO (Post 7143518)
This is somewhat standard protocol in these buildings. I saw it in Miami and spoke to the developers. They dont want to put in anything other then the cheapest finish because most buyers will customize it. Its only to get their cert of occupancy and provide something for people to visualize. That is finished exactly the same as the ones I toured in Miami.

But these are apartments, so I don't see customization.

If you're a developer building that many units...how much of a difference in price between stock and ordering hundreds/thousands of sets that are the same?

The Flying Dutchman Aug 27, 2015 9:44 PM

Interesting tidbit I found whilst looking at the list:

Re: The Pinnacle towers, it looks like the yellow tower will be 100% apartments while the to-be-built red tower will be almost 100% condos. So I guess customization will come with those new units.

http://www.civicsd.com/images/storie...OGJULY2015.pdf

mello Aug 28, 2015 8:16 PM

Holy Shit looks like NBC is actually going to happen with groundbreaking occurring before we are all on medicaid!! Corey Briggs can eat a fat one, and take your park talk to San Luis Obispo!! This is huge, 3 million square feet of office space and 1400 hotel rooms. Damn SD coming up huge this is going to put our downtown in a whole other league and ensure we don't get surpassed by Austin which I was kind of starting to get worried about because they are blowing up.

This is being hailed as the best Water view office space land left on the West Coast! Rumor is Manchester is looking for a partner investor to build all of this at once fast!! No stages over 15 years get er done! Manchester the builder! This guy is awesome he wants to see it get done before he dies this is a major legacy for any developer. Do you think he reaches out to a Chinese or Korean Billionaire who would love to stamp there legacy on the Premiere waterfront development on the West Coast?

eburress Aug 28, 2015 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 7146032)
Damn SD coming up huge this is going to put our downtown in a whole other league and ensure we don't get surpassed by Austin which I was kind of starting to get worried about because they are blowing up.

Even with NBC, Austin's still kicking our asses. They have the equivalent of several NBCs happening simultaneously, plus greater height, numerous one-off projects, and some pretty cool civic projects to boot.

tyleraf Aug 28, 2015 11:11 PM

I'm glad to see things finally clear up for the NBC to move forward. Now if only Briggs would go away...

Northparkwizard Aug 29, 2015 12:05 AM

I'd say that even competing with the 2nd most populous state's Capital city is a win. Politicians, lobbyists, etc.. that's when you get into that 5-star level shit. Without the Capital, Austin would just be another big college town with a popular football program, awesome BBQ & good music.

mello Aug 29, 2015 3:00 AM

Eburress you think Austin can surpass SD in skyline in what 10 to 15 years even if we get all Bosa towers, NBC, Ritz, Calif Theatre, 11th Bway, 7th bway, Park and Market.

With all those built Austin is going to have to do a lot to pass SD up. Yes they will have more height but density will be tough to match. Also hoping huge tall hotel that JMI has proposed eventually gets built behind Petco.

HurricaneHugo Aug 29, 2015 3:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 7146493)
Eburress you think Austin can surpass SD in skyline in what 10 to 15 years even if we get all Bosa towers, NBC, Ritz, Calif Theatre, 11th Bway, 7th bway, Park and Market.

With all those built Austin is going to have to do a lot to pass SD up. Yes they will have more height but density will be tough to match. Also hoping huge tall hotel that JMI has proposed eventually gets built behind Petco.

You mean Ballpark Village?

Isn't that already U/C?

The Flying Dutchman Aug 29, 2015 4:24 AM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 7146540)
You mean Ballpark Village?

Isn't that already U/C?

From the Ballpark Village article:

"Yet to be decided is the fate of JMI's adjacent property, referred to as Parcel D, between Imperial Avenue and Harbor Drive. The company has proposed a 1,600-room hotel but a final decision awaits the outcome of expansion plans for the San Diego Convention Center.

JMI also has interests in Tailgate Park, Petco's parking lot north of Ballpark Village, where Chargers had wanted to build a new stadium. That is now is being looked at as the site for a convention center annex and perhaps a soccer stadium."


Source: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...star-downtown/

spoonman Aug 29, 2015 4:33 AM

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Originally Posted by eburress (Post 7146263)
Even with NBC, Austin's still kicking our asses. They have the equivalent of several NBCs happening simultaneously, plus greater height, numerous one-off projects, and some pretty cool civic projects to boot.

Austin has a lot of activity going on, but collectively downtown Austin is nowhere close to being in the same league. They are experiencing growth similar to what we saw in the early 2000's, but downtown San Diego started much bigger and keeps growing.

eburress Aug 29, 2015 5:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 7146493)
Eburress you think Austin can surpass SD in skyline in what 10 to 15 years even if we get all Bosa towers, NBC, Ritz, Calif Theatre, 11th Bway, 7th bway, Park and Market.

With all those built Austin is going to have to do a lot to pass SD up. Yes they will have more height but density will be tough to match. Also hoping huge tall hotel that JMI has proposed eventually gets built behind Petco.

Yes, I do think Austin's Downtown is on a trajectory to overtake SD's in a variety of ways (population, square footage, density, height, etc). SD has not (in my memory) experience the kind of growth happening in Austin right now and there are too many factors like ferocious NIMBYs, height limits, available land, and development and economic climates that are going to further support/limit each downtown's growth trajectory.

spoonman Aug 29, 2015 6:38 PM

Dt Austin has much less density. Some tall new towers isn't going to change this anytime soon. We all know how long it takes to eradicate a downtown of parking lots. Downtown Austin could LOOK more impressive in some pictures wit increased heights, but density will be nowhere close.

eburress Aug 29, 2015 8:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 7146881)
Dt Austin has much less density. Some tall new towers isn't going to change this anytime soon. We all know how long it takes to eradicate a downtown of parking lots. Downtown Austin could LOOK more impressive in some pictures wit increased heights, but density will be nowhere close.

Sure, it won't happen overnight, but it'll happen nevertheless. ;)


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