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NYguy Dec 20, 2012 7:09 PM

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Originally Posted by aquablue (Post 5945487)
As for NY, if it wants to have some more architectural flair, it needs to be more daring in its design. The street wall can be kept, but the buildings could easily have more interesting shapes without ruining the urbanity. Zoning can always be modified which it should to fit the modern age IMO.

Buildings don't necessarily have to abide by zoning rules, but if they don't, approval must be granted on a case by case basis. That's what the 6 month process is for. I really don't care what is going up in Dubai, because New York isn't Dubai, nor should it pretend to be. So let's leave what's going up in Dubai to Dubai and concentrate on what's going up here.

New York's is a skyline that evolved naturally, and the pieces fit together like a puzzle. There are no isolated skyscrapers surrounded by open space, the buildings tend to meet at the street. It's for this reason there are streetwall requirements - both in length from the street and in height - written into City zoning. Everything works together, as opposed to an "experimental" piece here or there. A talented architect can have a "daring" design, yet meet the City as a part of it. There can be new things introduced, yet not feel totally alien to the City. Yet, at the same time, there is a practicality to what get's built in New York. These are not merely "statements", but the natural evolution of the skyline.

So, what you will get here is a large store at the base. Nordstrom wants large, column free floors, so the tower will most likely be offset somehow. The units will be maximized so that they will sell. Whatever architectural flair there is will come after this.

J. Will Dec 20, 2012 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 5945252)
And, yeah, if the base is aligned, the top can technically do whatever, and doesn't need to be boxy. But, in most cases, if you have a boxy base, that means the tower itself will be more likely to have a similar shape

In Canadian cities it is very common for multiple towers to share the same base, and more often than not these towers are not boxy. Especially the newer ones.

Crawford Dec 21, 2012 1:10 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Will (Post 5946114)
In Canadian cities it is very common for multiple towers to share the same base, and more often than not these towers are not boxy. Especially the newer ones.

Maybe the zoning codes are more flexible? Who knows.

Anyways, I am fine with an unconventional tower, as long as the base is totally pedestrian friendly, and respects the streetscape.

NYguy Dec 27, 2012 7:18 PM

Another permit filed today....


http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

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PROVIDE EXPLORATORY TEST PITS AS PER PLANS FILED, TO INVESTIGATE SUB-SURFACE CONDITIONS IN PREPARATION OF PROPOSED NEW BUILIDNG 121328205.

nycaddict Dec 27, 2012 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nyguy (Post 5951368)

wait!! Did this get cut to 150 feet!?!?!

Crawford Dec 27, 2012 8:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nycaddict (Post 5951373)
wait!! Did this get cut to 150 feet!?!?!

That's the height of the existing building. This is a permit for alteration, not a new building permit.

NYguy Dec 27, 2012 8:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nycaddict (Post 5951373)
wait!! Did this get cut to 150 feet!?!?!

The permit number for the new building is in the quote. What the latest permit is for is also quoted.

nycaddict Dec 27, 2012 8:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5951464)
The permit number for the new building is in the quote. What the latest permit is for is also quoted.

so its an entirely new different site?

-Filipe- Dec 27, 2012 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nycaddict (Post 5951476)
so its an entirely new different site?

the permit is about the building that is already their..so its the building thats getting torn down..

nycaddict Dec 27, 2012 9:27 PM

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Originally Posted by -Filipe- (Post 5951483)
the permit is about the building that is already their..so its the building thats getting torn down..

Oh okay, Thanks! i got scared for a second hahaha

NYguy Dec 28, 2012 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by nycaddict (Post 5951476)
so its an entirely new different site?

If you read that far down, you must have seen the job description (partially quoted here). There are two other permits referenced, one for a building that stood, and another for a new building. The latest permit is not a building permit, but an action related. See the new building permit for info on it.

NYguy Dec 28, 2012 4:27 AM

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Onn Dec 28, 2012 1:57 PM

So it terms of size, how does this site compare with One57?

scalziand Dec 28, 2012 3:50 PM

^Bigger, by about a third.

NYguy Dec 28, 2012 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Onn (Post 5952088)
So it terms of size, how does this site compare with One57?

A comparison of sites according to documents filed. Keep in mind that the Nordstrom filings aren't complete.

One57

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148058184/original.jpg


Nordstrom

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148058186/original.jpg



The Nordstrom tower plans are preliminary, and we still don't know a whole lot about it. But from the one permit that was filed, we can gather a few things. According to the permit, there will be 4 sublevels (2 for the store). The main or ground level floor of the Nordstrom has almost double the capacity for all of the other floors in the store.

Store floors and person capacity
SL 2..................532
SL 1..................589
1st fl.................938
2nd fl................462
3rd fl.................474
4th fl.................474
5th fl.................429

That gives the store 7 total floors. The ground floor will also have the residential and hotel lobbies.

Floor 6 is mechanical.

Floors 7 through 12 are for the hotel, with the 7th floor having the hotel sky lobby and lounge, offices, and a nail and hair salon.
The 8th floor would have an exercise room as well as hotel rooms.


Floor 13 is mechanical.

Floor 14 is a residential lounge.

Floors 15 through 20 have 4 units.
Floors 21 through 32 have 3 units.


Floor 33 is mechanical.

Floors 34 through 49 have 3 units.

Floor 50 is mechanical.

Floors 51 through 66 have 3 units.

Floors 67 through 68 are mechanical.

Floors 69 through 83 have 2 units.

Floors 84 through 88 are mechanical.

Floor 85 also has storage units and a 100 person capacity sky lounge.

Of course, this can and probably will change.

Onn Dec 28, 2012 5:45 PM

^I see, okay, that seems to make sense.

NYguy Jan 2, 2013 1:33 PM

A look at the landmark next door, one of the sites that contributed air rights to the development of this tower...


http://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/real-e...th-street/7741

Extell buys air-rights from Art Students League on West 57th Street


http://www.cityrealty.com/graphics/u...6_artsstu1.gif


February 9, 2006

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The Extell Development Group has acquired about 140,000-square feet of unused air rights from the Art Students League at 215 West 57th Street. Ira Goldberg, executive director of the league, told CityRealty.com today that the proceeds from the sale will be used to support its programs. He said he was "not at liberty" to say what the purchase price was of the air-rights.

Criag Evans and Nicola Heryet, both senior managing directors of Colliers ABR, represented the league in the transaction. Mr. Evans told CityRealty.com today that "the negotiations required sensitivity to the unique light and air requirements of the Art Students League," adding that "we were happy to negotiate a sale that addressed the concerns of the League while allowing Extell to move forward with the development in the area."

Extell controls the former Hard Rock building just to the west of the League and property extending through the block to 58th Street. The Hard Rock Cafe was founded in London in 1971 and was located in the base of the 12-story building at 225 West 57th Street where its entrance canopy was a late 1950's black Cadillac converting with rotating wheels. Hard Rock recently relocated to the former Paramount Theater space at 1501 Broadway.

The league's building is an individually designated official city landmark rich in the city's cultural and artistic history. It was completed in 1892 and designed by Henry Jane Hardenbergh, who would become the architect a few years later of the nearby Plaza Hotel.

The air-rights will likely enable Extell to erect a very tall, mid-block, condominium tower on the site of the former Hard Rock building.


(January 1, 2013)


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Meanwhile, Extell gets an award from the NY Post...

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...ZT1ew2PZdi4MFI

January 2, 2013
by Lois Weiss


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To start the New Year, we present our Golden Bricks to the best and worst of the city slickers:

Grinch Award: Gary Barnett (inset lower right) of Extell Development for convincing Nordstrom to buy into his spot on gritty West 57th Street so he can develop the tallest tower in the US while being the Grinch that continues to tie up the garage under Vornado’s future development that would block some of his tower’s views.


miesian Jan 2, 2013 4:47 PM

Barnett is more Santa than Grinch....;)

NYguy Jan 2, 2013 8:37 PM

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Originally Posted by miesian (Post 5956244)
Barnett is more Santa than Grinch....;)

For us, at least....:cheers:

sbarn Jan 2, 2013 9:51 PM

I just hope congress doesn't decide to kill the economy and bring this project with it. :(


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