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markus1234 May 10, 2004 9:24 AM

WARSAW - Boomtown
 
Which metropolis of Europe fulfills the superlativ, itself in 20. Century to have most strongly changed? No doubt: This title is entitled to Warsaw. Only bomb release place, then fallow land, today Boomtown. A town with millions of inhabitants, for which nearly over night a silhouette of multistoried buildings arose. Certainly no idyllischer place, with which one falls in love at first sight. But beautiful cities are as well known boring. Which one cannot maintain from the quirligen capital of Poland now really. Only quite not of the types, which populate this city (and this book). Among them is a sociology student, who created a restaurant chain; a priest, who drives year by year in an old Mercedes to Rome, in order to remove Johannes Paul II. the Beichte; a German poet, who purged to the beautiful pole inside rescueless. Also of the former inhabitants of this city one experiences some: of Chopin and Popieluszko, of Szpilman and realm Ranicki, of rosa Luxembourg and the sayful Syrena (sea-virgin), which today only the stadtwappen ziert. Of Poland women are likewise a grateful topic. The twentieth century put a veil the heavy courage over this proud city. From Poland, Czeslaw Milosz sealed, is "wenig well-known abroad, because its mourning has neither hands nor Gesicht". The book of Gerhard Gnauck, Poland polen-Korrespondent of the WELT since 1999, treats also two different fall, which Warsaw in the world war experienced: that the once largest Jewish community of Europe and that the Polish metropolis altogether. But the life forwards and the time after the disaster held of writers, who come here to word: Heine, Doeblin and Singer, Szczypiorski and Stasiuk. Also of the relationship that Poland to the car, of their long march from the Wodka to the beer, of well-known politicians and of less well-known slot ears is to be read. Initially Gnauck asks whether Warsaw actually lies in Europe. Since 1 May this question might be settled. But one regards it dialectically: The metropolis lies also further a little in the east and a completely small little even in America. Why, this book betrays.


Gerhard Gnauck: Syrena auf dem Königsweg. Warschauer Wandlungen. Picus, Wien. 132 S., 13,90 EUR

http://www.welt.de/data/2004/05/08/2...u&searchHILI=1

Welche Metropole Europas erfüllt den Superlativ, sich im 20. Jahrhundert am stärksten verändert zu haben? Kein Zweifel: Dieser Titel gebührt Warschau. Erst Bombenabwurfplatz, dann Brachland, heute Boomtown. Eine Millionenstadt, der fast über Nacht eine Silhouette von Hochhäusern erwachsen ist. Gewiss kein idyllischer Ort, in den man sich auf den ersten Blick verliebt. Doch schöne Städte sind bekanntlich langweilig. Was man von der quirligen Hauptstadt Polens nun wirklich nicht behaupten kann.

Erst recht nicht von den Typen, die diese Stadt (und dieses Buch) bevölkern. Darunter sind eine Soziologiestudentin, die eine Restaurantkette gegründet hat; ein Priester, der Jahr für Jahr in einem alten Mercedes nach Rom fährt, um Johannes Paul II. die Beichte abzunehmen; ein deutscher Dichter, der den schönen Polinnen rettungslos verfallen ist. Auch von den früheren Bewohnern dieser Stadt erfährt man einiges: von Chopin und Popieluszko, von Szpilman und Reich-Ranicki, von Rosa Luxemburg und der sagenhaften Syrena (Seejungfrau), welche heute nur noch das Stadtwappen ziert. Polens Frauen sind ebenfalls ein dankbares Thema.


Das zwanzigste Jahrhundert hat einen Schleier der Schwermut über diese stolze Stadt gelegt. Von Polen, dichtete Czeslaw Milosz, sei im Ausland "wenig bekannt, denn seine Trauer hat weder Hände noch Gesicht". Das Buch von Gerhard Gnauck, Polen-Korrespondent der WELT seit 1999, behandelt denn auch zweierlei Untergang, den Warschau im Weltkrieg erlebt hat: den der einst größten jüdischen Gemeinschaft Europas und den der polnischen Metropole insgesamt. Doch das Leben vor und die Zeit nach der Katastrophe wurden festgehalten von Schriftstellern, die hier zu Wort kommen: Heine, Döblin und Singer, Szczypiorski und Stasiuk. Auch vom Verhältnis der Polen zum Auto, von ihrem langen Marsch vom Wodka zum Bier, von bekannten Politikern und von weniger bekannten Schlitzohren ist zu lesen. Eingangs fragt Gnauck, ob Warschau tatsächlich in Europa liege. Seit dem 1. Mai dürfte diese Frage erledigt sein. Doch betrachte man es dialektisch: Die Metropole liegt auch weiterhin ein bisschen im Osten und ein ganz klein bisschen sogar in Amerika. Warum, verrät dieses Buch.

SoboleuS May 10, 2004 10:13 AM

The translation isn't perfect ;) but it's nice to see this kind of articles.



Some examples of boom in Warsaw:

Golden Terraces (big shopping center + office tower (115 m):

http://www.sky.s64.pl/home/Plany/zt06.jpg

http://www.zlotetarasy.pl/images_galery/image5.jpg

http://www.xsi.co.za/hackunion/a10.jpg

http://members.rogers.com/wiezowce/tarasy.jpg

Rondo 1 (194 m)

http://www.budinfo.pl/grafika/image5463.JPG

http://www.sky.s64.pl/home/Plany/rondo01.jpg

http://www.rondo1.pl/siteview/siteview_2.jpg


Arkadia Shopping Center:

http://wawka.republika.pl/ar2.jpg

http://www.startbilder.de/einzelbild...7ee80&maxpixel

Centrum Zelazna (85 m):

http://www.warsaw3d.com/zel2-web.jpg

(no photos of construction site :dunno: )


Lucka City (105 m):

http://www.sky.s64.pl/home/Plany/lucka02.jpg

http://www.fdi.i5.pl/yaros/yaros/040...-0119_IMGn.jpg

Centrum Grzybowska (Hilton Hotel + office and apartment buildings - about 90 m)

http://www.kir-architekci.com/katalo...um/pages/2.jpg

http://www.sky.s64.pl/home/Plany/gc04.jpg

http://www.fdi.i5.pl/pafcio/04.04/hilton2.jpg

Centrum Jasna

http://www.fdi.i5.pl/yaros/yaros/040...-0139_IMGn.jpg
:D

markus1234 May 10, 2004 10:37 AM

soboleus i translated it with http://babelfish.altavista.com/ ;)

SoboleuS May 10, 2004 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markus1234
soboleus i translated it with http://babelfish.altavista.com/ ;)

But you should correct some errors ;)

Grumpy May 10, 2004 12:40 PM

After London the boomtown of Europe , no doubt about it .
Even the 2nd best skyline too.

Where is Frankfurt....sleeping since ages :D

The Dear Leader May 10, 2004 2:18 PM

Wow, those are giant buildings. Then again, what else do you expect from a country with a large population of giants?

Grumpy May 13, 2004 5:55 AM

Before "Zlote Tarasy" was U/C , what was built on that site ?

treds May 13, 2004 7:01 AM

Nothing. It was just a parking lot:

<IMG SRC="http://www.sky.s64.pl/home/Plany/zt03.jpg" ALT="FailText" BORDER=x WIDTH=100%

http://members.rogers.com/wiezowce/1.jpg
photo by clerykucjo. hosted by WaRR.


That bigger parking lot you can see further back will also be built over in the future -- the only reason an investor hasn't been able to yet is because ownership of parts of the plot is still in dispute.

Grumpy May 24, 2004 6:30 AM

I would like to know how many buildings have been built in Warsaw since the last 10 years + a list of those who are built and U/C

SoboleuS May 24, 2004 1:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy
I would like to know how many buildings have been built in Warsaw since the last 10 years + a list of those who are built and U/C

I'll try, but it's almost impossible to count them all (That's why I'll make the list only for central part of the city)
1991:
-Blue Tower (construction started in 1975 ;))
-Holiday Inn Hotel
-City Center (small shopping center)
1992:
-Mercure Hotel
1993:
-IPC Business Center
-Warsaw Corporate Center
-IPC B.C.
1994:
-Pekao Tower
1995:
-Atrium B.C.
-Aktyn B.C.
-CPN
1996:
-Sheraton Hotel
-FIM Tower
-Ilmet Tower
-Mokotow Business Park (the first building, at this moment there are about 10 buildings and new ones are U/C)
1997:
-Atrium Tower
-Jablonowski Palace (reconstruction of historic building with modern offices inside)
-Norway House
1998:
-Zielna Point
-Holland Park
-Solec 22
-Kaskada
-Sienna Center
-Warsaw Financial Center
-Centrum Finansowe Pulawska
-Praska Dominanta
1999:
-New University Library
-New Supreme Court
-Reform Plaza
-Nautilius
-Saski Point
-Bankowy Fundusz Gwarancyjny
-Europlex
2000:
-Warsaw Trade Tower
-Stock Exchange Center
-Nordic Park
-Warsaw Towers
-Roma Office Center
-Raiffeisen B.C.
-Stratos
-PZU Tower
-Wspólna 47 (Mahler)
-Focus
-Centrum Millenium
-Aurum
-Warta Tower
-Renaissance Tower
-Bliski Centrum
-City Gate
2001:
-Atrium North
-West Gate
-Blue Point
-TPSA Moniuszki
2002:
-Babka Tower
-Radisson Hotel
-TPSA Tower
-Agora
-Centrum Krolewska
-Kredyt Bank
-BTC Metro
-Euro Centrum 1
-Embassy of Canada
-Reprograf
-Hyatt Hotel
-Hotel Gromada
2003:
-Metropolitan
-Westin Hotel
-Intercontinental Hotel
-International B.C.
-PAP (Liberty Corner)
-Saski Crescent
-Rialto Hotel
-Ujazdowskie 10
-Marszalkowska 76
-Ibis Hotel
2004:
-Articom Center
-Campanile Hotels
-Blue City

U/C
-Rondo1
-Golden Terraces
-Lucka City
-Centrum Jasna
-Hilton Hotel
-Centrum Zelazna
-Arkadia
-Piekna 24
-Karowa
-Zielna 37
-TVP
-Crown Point

I probably missed some buildings ;) :D

marek12 May 24, 2004 2:25 PM

soboleus...

just post some warsaw pics from the 70's 80's...and one new panorama...

SoboleuS May 24, 2004 2:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marek12
soboleus...

just post some warsaw pics from the 70's 80's...and one new panorama...

Good idea, but it's really hard to find panoramas of communist Warsaw ;) Maybe you have some?

Grumpy May 24, 2004 4:51 PM

@ SoboleuS , thanks for the list :tup:

Jonas May 25, 2004 6:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chem6
Whole eastern Europe is developing by building shopping centres and residentials. And all of it stands on foreign loans and leasings. there is nothing to be proud of.

the interesting fact is that nearly all projects and actually all major projects are being developed using loans and leasings from local banks and funds, and another interesting thing is that the major supermarket chain (occupying about 25% of whole retail market) is 100% of local capital :)
just to correct your last sentence. I'm talking about Lithuania.

Jonas May 25, 2004 6:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoboleuS
1991:
-Blue Tower (construction started in 1975 ;))

interesting fact, I didn't know that, I like that tower. Is there any material of how it was supposed to look like in those times? Was the project changed or is this the original project which now is built?

SoboleuS May 26, 2004 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonas
Quote:

Originally Posted by SoboleuS
1991:
-Blue Tower (construction started in 1975 ;))

interesting fact, I didn't know that, I like that tower. Is there any material of how it was supposed to look like in those times? Was the project changed or is this the original project which now is built?

I don't have photos, but in communist times the tower was covered by a golden glass and completely unfinished inside (because of lack of money, of course ;)) After the collapse of communism the construction was finished by Yugoslavians :) and the tower changed its colour ;)

Dziki REX May 26, 2004 4:11 PM

Construction of Rondo1 office above 160m
http://62.29.248.133/chris/warsaw/pictures/0850b.jpg

At first plane construction of two apartmental higrises, didn’t mentioned before.
http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Zdj...kcentrum18.jpg
http://www.apartament.pl/img/z/293599-widok2.jpg

On the left side construction of Golden Terraces 105m
http://members.rogers.com/wiezowce/rondo.jpg

Warsaw today
http://www.ziolek.pl/foto/warszawy/10.jpg

DocentX May 27, 2004 6:37 PM

Warsaw

2004:

http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Tapety/tapeta27.jpg http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Tapety/tapeta29.jpg

2006:

http://yanme.fm.interia.pl/rrr.jpg

marek12 Jun 3, 2004 8:04 PM

http://community.webshots.com/s/imag...9LYLJpu_fs.jpg

st.petr Jun 3, 2004 9:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dziki REX
At first plane construction of two apartmental higrises, didn’t mentioned before.
http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Zdj...kcentrum18.jpg
http://www.apartament.pl/img/z/293599-widok2.jpg

It's not the same investment. Thiese are 2 different investments in the same area, both U/C.
EDIT:Rendering of the investment from the first pic
http://www.apartament.pl/img/z/286917-Inflancka3.jpg
http://www.apartament.pl/img/z/286920-Inflancka4.jpg

Fabb Jun 4, 2004 8:18 AM

Despite the construction boom, the stanisnist building is still the tallest building.
For how long ?

marek12 Jun 4, 2004 9:35 AM

http://mitglied.lycos.de/hotttt/unbenannt.jpg

marek12 Jun 4, 2004 9:36 AM

.

st.petr Jun 4, 2004 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabb
Despite the construction boom, the stanisnist building is still the tallest building.
For how long ?

You should ask yourself the question for how long ugly Montparnasse tower will be the tallest skyscraper in Paris.

st.petr Jun 7, 2004 11:26 AM

Warsaw constructiom update by Arek and kafarek:

Rondo 1
http://www.republika.pl/arekkj1983/06.06.2004/0005.jpg
http://www.ee.pw.edu.pl/~daniszem/zl...y/P1010011.JPG

Golden Terraces
http://www.ee.pw.edu.pl/~daniszem/zl...y/P1010020.JPG
http://www.ee.pw.edu.pl/~daniszem/zl...y/P1010048.JPG

st.petr Jun 9, 2004 12:53 PM

G.T. by @Jedlinio:
http://www.zdjeciacudaka.pulsnet.pl/jedlinio/4.jpg

DocentX Jun 9, 2004 1:32 PM

New Warsaw city center ( construction should start next year ) :

http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/teksty/...aj_a_1-1.F.jpg

http://www.e-warsaw.pl/offers/filmy/ncw_01.jpg http://www.e-warsaw.pl/offers/filmy/ncw_02.jpg http://www.e-warsaw.pl/offers/filmy/ncw_03.jpg http://www.e-warsaw.pl/offers/filmy/ncw_04.jpg http://www.e-warsaw.pl/offers/filmy/ncw_05.jpg http://www.e-warsaw.pl/offers/filmy/ncw_06.jpg http://www.e-warsaw.pl/offers/filmy/ncw_08.jpg http://www.e-warsaw.pl/offers/filmy/ncw_09.jpg

Dziki REX Jun 9, 2004 2:31 PM

One more photo of warsaw today. I don’t live in Warsaw. I never even was in Warsaw but photos like this are marvelous. This city in the last 15 years changed almost completely except the good things which now are even more beautiful.
http://republika.pl/drex4/images/panora.jpg

By the way, this renders above looks like screens from the movie visualization of new center. Is there any link to that movie? I hope that architecture of this buildings would be in fact much better than what the city has prepared as example of future shape of this place.

DocentX Jun 9, 2004 3:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dziki REX
By the way, this renders above looks like screens from the movie visualization of new center. Is there any link to that movie? I hope that architecture of this buildings would be in fact much better than what the city has prepared as example of future shape of this place.

Yes, You are right- this is only a vision of the future center and not the final design of the building. We can see that there will be some buildings in the "old style" and some "futuristic" buildings.

Here You have link if You would like to see the visualization of new center:

http://www.e-warsaw.pl/offers/

coth Jun 9, 2004 4:03 PM

beautiful mix of colors
http://members.rogers.com/wiezowce/rondo.jpg

Grumpy Jun 9, 2004 6:24 PM

The project proposed as the new city centre is giving me some problems cause I believe it will ruin the majesty of PKiN imo.
Should be left the way it is now as a green corridor in the city centre

st.petr Jun 9, 2004 8:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy
The project proposed as the new city centre is giving me some problems cause I believe it will ruin the majesty of PKiN imo.
Should be left the way it is now as a green corridor in the city centre

It's more important we will have normal city center in Warsaw at last.

Dziki REX Jun 9, 2004 8:54 PM

The problem is that you both have right heh.

TurkPower Jun 9, 2004 11:32 PM

http://wowturkey.com/tr15/xAnil_movenpickten_canyon.jpg
http://wowturkey.com/tr15/xAnil_leventte_yuruyus4.jpg

st.petr Jun 9, 2004 11:49 PM

Lepiej, ¿eby nikt z Polski nie odpowiada³ na t¹ prowokacjê, bo to lylko zachêci go do dalszych.

PaulzAdelaide Jun 10, 2004 1:43 AM

Kurwa Turek psuje nam thread ...nie moze na swoim thread te obrazki wklejac??
Turk Power post your pics on your thread ....please dont ruin other people threads

treds Jun 10, 2004 5:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy
The project proposed as the new city centre is giving me some problems cause I believe it will ruin the majesty of PKiN imo.
Should be left the way it is now as a green corridor in the city centre

Don't you think it's rather a shame that there's a huge plot of nothing in the center of a European capital? The square around the PKiN is a communist idea -- it's even named "Plac Defilad" (Military Parades Square), which sounds inappropriate to most people today. After building over it, it'll become a part of Warsaw that will be alive 24 hours a day. Now it's just nothing. Such valuable land too!

Grumpy Jun 10, 2004 9:38 AM

@ swede , could you move those Istanbul pictures cause they have nothing to do with this topic !


@ st.petr , what is a normal city centre in your opinion ?

st.petr Jun 10, 2004 7:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy
@ st.petr , what is a normal city centre in your opinion ?

Not gigantic place with gigantic building in the center but streets with buildings on both sides with flats, offices, restaurants, bars, markets, galleries and etc. That's normal structure of European city I think.

Grumpy Jun 10, 2004 8:25 PM

^^ now I know what you mean , you are not that pleased with the PKiN building !

I fully agree with your idea ;)

st.petr Jun 10, 2004 8:54 PM

I'm glad you have understanding for my point @Grumpy.:)

Swede Jun 10, 2004 9:16 PM

@TurkPower - why did you post those here? If you want to post pics of Istanbul so so in a thread of its own, not in one about Warzawa. Don't do it again.

Grumpy Jun 10, 2004 9:23 PM

places like this should be open to the public to enjoy the skyline !

http://republika.pl/drex4/images/panora.jpg

or is there a kind of this on top of Rondo or Zloty Terasy when finished ?

st.petr Jun 10, 2004 10:27 PM

I haven't heard about such a plans.

SoboleuS Jun 11, 2004 7:34 AM

The glass dome of Zlote Tarasy is now U/C:

http://bi.gazeta.pl//im/2123/z2123253G.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl//im/2123/z2123255G.jpg

http://www.sky.s64.pl/home/Plany/zt06.jpg



And some info about this strange structure ;)

area: 10 200 square meters
weight: 1 400 tons
It will be made of 4780 triangles of glass and 7120 steel beams :nuts:

Designer: Johann Sishka

http://bi.gazeta.pl//im/2123/z2123827G.jpg

SoboleuS Jun 11, 2004 8:18 AM

BTW: Not only Warsaw is booming:

Polish economy posts 7 year growth record

Warsaw, Poland, Jun. 9 (UPI) -- The Polish economy grew by 6.9 percent year-on-year in the first quarter of 2004, official figures showed Wednesday.

The growth was above expectations and marked the fastest pace of gross domestic product development in seven years.

Economists said they now expected Poland to grow at a year-on-year rate of around 6 percent for the full year.

Poland, with a population of nearly 40 million, is as big as all the other nine countries combined, which also joined the European Union May 1.

Economic growth is heavily export driven with Poland's main markets being in the older members of the European Union such as Germany and France.

Strong growth in the Polish economy has heightened expectations of interest rate hikes from the central bank, which has already indicated it is concerned about the prospect of the economy overheating. Poland needs strong growth to help bring down an unemployment rate which stands at around 20 percent.

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...3238-4385r.htm

Here you can see the highs and lows of Polish growth in last years:

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2123/m2123893.jpg

st.petr Jun 11, 2004 10:53 AM

Another addition to discussion.
Warsaw 89,9+ ;) highrises since 1998:
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?6454771

st.petr Jun 11, 2004 12:33 PM

A new rendering of Hilton Plaza:

http://www.architektura-murator.pl/i...zacja_hilt.jpg
http://www.architektura-murator.pl/i...lton_przek.gif
http://www.architektura-murator.pl/i...ilton_rzut.gif

The entire complex:
http://www.architektura-murator.pl/i...ilton_syt2.gif

According to www.architektura-murator.pl monthly it would have 26 storeys plus 1 technical storey - all 91 m.

coth Jun 11, 2004 1:02 PM

not so tall:(

st.petr Jun 11, 2004 1:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coth
not so tall:(

Yes :( but I like it's plain and clear design.


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