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spyguy Apr 15, 2010 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Loopy (Post 4796334)
Jeanne Gang's pavilion at Lincoln Park Zoo is starting to take shape. (Apologies for the crummy photos)

Sweet shots.

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 4796599)
Is this a new rendering of Chinatown's Eastern Tower project? I don't recall seeing this one before.

Maybe, but I thought this project was downsized somewhat?

emathias Apr 16, 2010 2:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 4796599)
Is this a new rendering of Chinatown's Eastern Tower project? I don't recall seeing this one before. ...

If it is, what are those towers in the background on the right supposed to be?

emathias Apr 16, 2010 2:29 AM

anyone know anything about either the in-fill building going up on the SW corner of Clark and Chicago, or the work-stopped 7-story shell across the street from there on Clark?

the urban politician Apr 16, 2010 2:41 AM

I found this tidbit interesting in an article about Ald. Reilly:

He also spoke on the pending decision by IDOT on whether to approve the helipad slated for the nearly-completed Children’s Memorial Hospital in Streeterville, and vowed to continue advocating for the community consensus against stand-alone parking garages in the Near North area.
http://www.skylinenewspaper.com/News...condo_meetings

Ch.G, Ch.G Apr 16, 2010 2:59 AM

^ Enormous atrocious parking podiums made even more enormous and atrocious by ridiculous demands for MOAR PARKING!!1 are just as deadening as stand-alone garages.

ardecila Apr 16, 2010 3:53 AM

Except they're not. Massive parking podiums can be ugly and oppressive, but the tower above adds life to the street. Standalone garages have no such advantage.

Ch.G, Ch.G Apr 16, 2010 4:35 AM

^ I meant aesthetically. Still: Functionally, they may increase foot traffic in the immediate vicinity, but, beyond that, I imagine occupants are more likely to rely on their cars to get to the rest of the city, which decreases demand for public transportation and increases demand for more parking elsewhere.

Rizzo Apr 16, 2010 4:38 AM

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Originally Posted by emathias (Post 4797109)
anyone know anything about either the in-fill building going up on the SW corner of Clark and Chicago, or the work-stopped 7-story shell across the street from there on Clark?

Saw it and I'm annoyed by the stoppage.

VivaLFuego Apr 16, 2010 2:28 PM

If anyone maintains morbid curiosity, here's a presentation with renderings and site plans for the Des Plaines casino that's about to start construction.

http://www.desplaines.org/ReferenceD...inoHearing.pdf

Phase 2 appears to allow for 2 towers of 15 and 11 floors, respectively, presumably hotel rooms.

OrdoSeclorum Apr 16, 2010 4:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 4794503)

Parking in rear
sounds fine in theory, but just won't work for big-box retail. Any kind of retail, actually.

First, well over 90 percent of the customers arrive by auto, many of them in a minivan with kids. To keep them happy, you need to minimize the walk from car to entrance and from checkout to car. You can't ask them to walk an extra 200 feet, through a tunnel where a scary guy might be lurking, to get to the front entrance. If you turn the store around, you have the loading docks and blank rear wall lining the sidewalk on Addison.

Second, only a couple of types of retailers (notably fast food, where payment is separated from access) can afford to keep two entrances open. So you end up with signs on the sidewalk entrances saying "enter from parking."

About the best compromise you can hope for is the one used by pre-1970 supermarkets, having the store hug the sidewalk with parking to the side and a corner entrance serving both. But once the store grows beyond 80,000 sq ft, the parking lot becomes a lengthy void to walk past. In fact, that's exactly the site plan of this Kmart, which so infuriated TUP. Other examples include the Jewel on Chicago Avenue in Evanston, or the recently closed Southport store.

Parking on the roof is great, but that extra cost just isn't in Kmart's business model—and certainly wasn't for an in-city store in 1984.

I, too, am sometimes tempted by the idea of a California-style specific plan, that would try to imagine how a neighborhood would build out and set up the urban design guidelines for how it would all fit together. The problem is the one Yogi Berra aptly described: "It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." In 1984, the CVS/Home Depot site was still industrial and everyone hoped it would remain so. More to the point, would we be happy today with 1984 thinking about urban design guidelines and how the city should look and function?

This sounds a little defeatist to me. Of course in 1984 things were different and of course if you are building a Walmart in an exurban farm-field/suburb, there's no incentive to do anything other than drop a box in the center of a massive parking lot.

That being said, I think you've presented a false dichotomy, where the alternative is parking in rear or parking in front, by dismissing working examples of alternatives. Maybe that Kmart needs to have lots of parking. It doesn't need to have parking just like that. A parking lot facing the street with the building sitting at the rear is the worst-case-scenario. It's reasonable to argue that we need to have *some* large retail and car-centered development but it isn't reasonable to say that we have no option other than to sit back and accept whatever Kmart wants.

First, if meeting a standard of simply "very bad construction" isn't in a company's business model, then they shouldn't be allowed to build in a place that cares about its urban environment. If their business model requires acres of ugly parking, then they should change that model or fail to succeed in a city like Chicago. There's no law that says every neighborhood needs a Yarn Barn.

The Jewel at Kinzie and Desplains has a large, ugly parking lot and the Jewel itself only presents one entrance, facing the parking lot, not the street. Still, the street is much, much more pleasant to walk by than if the store was set back and there was a parking lot at the corner. I recently walked by a crummy one-story Medical building on Grand that had it's 10-car lot in the back instead of the front, and even though the foot-print of the parking, the curb-cut and the itself building were nearly identical to all of those crummy MRI centers with 10 spots right off the sidewalk, the environment was substantially improved by parking in the rear. I don't like strip-malls, but some have inward facing entrances, with buildings lining the perimeter of the lot and surface parking in the interior. These are much less offensive than the alternative.

I don't think its reasonable to say looking to minimize the damage done to our urban experience by parking is some sort of new urbanist fantasy. That Kmart is the way it is; but it is non-optimal and the way it presents itself to the neighborhood could be better. If a business like that can't exist without killing a pedestrian experience, then it shouldn't be permitted.

OrdoSeclorum Apr 16, 2010 6:45 PM

Chicago Plan Commission approves the Southworks development.

Kamin

lawfin Apr 16, 2010 7:50 PM

^ From the article it seems 30,000 + in 593 acres which equates to around 34-35K / sq mile.

Excellent Density if true.....Edgewater and RP are right around that maybe a bit higher. If they can create a neighborhood down their as dense as EW or RP that would be fantastic.

Not too familiar with intricacies of plan though I am sure there are people on here who are

Rizzo Apr 16, 2010 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VivaLFuego (Post 4797734)
If anyone maintains morbid curiosity, here's a presentation with renderings and site plans for the Des Plaines casino that's about to start construction.

http://www.desplaines.org/ReferenceD...inoHearing.pdf

Phase 2 appears to allow for 2 towers of 15 and 11 floors, respectively, presumably hotel rooms.

It's fortunately not garish and showy and I'm impressed with the phase 2 plans considering what I've seen with recent casino developments elsewhere. Interesting the gaming building isn't two full floors. Does seem to give the phase 1 plans much visibility.

Rizzo Apr 17, 2010 11:13 PM

Went with the girlfriend down to UofC and went by the new hospital pavilion. HUGE! for only a few floors. I also photographed the two city blocks they plan to demolish for that unnecessary lawn out front. I'll try and post some photos tomorrow

the urban politician Apr 17, 2010 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hayward (Post 4799792)
I also photographed the two city blocks they plan to demolish for that unnecessary lawn out front. I'll try and post some photos tomorrow

^ Where did you get the idea that they plan to demolish those two blocks?

VivaLFuego Apr 18, 2010 2:22 AM

^ The rendering shows it but that's as far as I know.

All the buildings left there are owned by the U of C, though I doubt they would waste too many on dead lawn space. They are undoubtedly toast in the relatively near future but likely making way for ever more office/research space. Most of the residential fabric of that area is long gone, so the little cluster that remains intact around 57th & Maryland feels out of place when it used to basically be continuously developed 3-flats and rowhouses north of 58th Street and west of Ingleside in the relatively recent past.

Rizzo Apr 18, 2010 2:31 AM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 4799843)
^ Where did you get the idea that they plan to demolish those two blocks?

The structures were all recently boarded up. Construction staging equipment has been placed on the properties of some. They all have consistent signage on the front doors and windows of all the buildings stating the address in large block of letters...the same type of queues you see from cities and land banks before they are about to do large scale demolition

ardecila Apr 18, 2010 7:58 AM

The ENTIRE block? Up to 56th? That's absurd. Couldn't the University make money using those buildings, or renting them out, until the land is needed? Why do they need the buildings demolished, anyway? They can't really claim they need more green space when Washington Park is literally 60 feet away.

denizen467 Apr 18, 2010 9:08 AM

A URL has appeared on the site construction fencing next to McCormick West:

http://www.111cermak.com
(For some reason was unable to post the renders here.)

Why this prime location ought to be used for a data center is beyond me...

the urban politician Apr 18, 2010 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 4800329)
The ENTIRE block? Up to 56th? That's absurd. Couldn't the University make money using those buildings, or renting them out, until the land is needed? Why do they need the buildings demolished, anyway? They can't really claim they need more green space when Washington Park is literally 60 feet away.

You've gotta love those Hyde Park NIMBY's.

Not a peep from them about this destruction of their neighborhood fabric, but GOD FORBID you build a hotel in place of a vacant hospital.. :rolleyes:

Having said that, I agree with Viva that this "clearing" of the land is certainly not for the benefit of creating a park for the community. They are probably aiming to create space for future expansions, whenever they happen.


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