Of course Barnett isn't going to reveal anything so soon. Better to let 432 Park get underway. Since that one will top his One57 as tallest residential in New York, Barnett has a chance to return the favor.

I saw on Curbed.com today that 4k sf unit in the Trump blg on CPW sold for $20m (ie, 5k/sf). Basically, the NY and London property markets are among the safest investments in a volatile world economy. Now we need the starting date for Torre Verre!

This news definitely softens the blow of what I will only refer to as "Durst's Dastardly Deed" Time for midtown Manhattan to regain the crown!:cheers:

http://www.observer.com/2012/05/gary...d-57th-street/

Gary Barnett on How He Chooses His Designers and the 1,250-Foot Starchitect Tower Planned for Broadway and 57th

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The new skyline, come 2020? 432 Park is at left, One57 is just right of One Bryant Park, and 225 West 57th Street is just to the right of that,
then 15 Penn Plaza and, on the farthest right, Hudson Yards. (sbarn/Skyscraper Page)

By Matt Chaban 5/10

Did the Observer just seriously use my photomonage? Mind = blown.

Hey, people notice...:tup:

Ha! Congrats!

I can not wait to see what Mr. Barnett and Herzog & Meuron have in store...

"Mr. Barnett said that quality design “probably pays for itself” but sometimes he does wonder if it is worth it. “I sometimes question our commitment to design,” he said. “These architects, the good ones, they can be difficult sometimes, but the product is definitely better. I look at the guys putting up just total crap, and I wonder if they don’t make the same return.”

http://www.observer.com/2012/05/gary...d-57th-street/

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Nice job man! You deserve the recognition.

How about we celebrate my debut in the paper with another montage! :cheers:

Original Image Credit: Mattron @ flickr
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NY is unreal!

Oh man. I know it is just a massing shot, but I'd be fine if it ended up looking like that. Look at that thing! Look at all of them!

Stop teasing us!

This is incredible. These latest news are very excited.
I was satisfied with 320 meters, but if it can have more than 350 meters or even more than 380 meters (as stated in the article), it would be really insane, very good.

And this last image of the sbarn must be disclosed and be shown to the Gary Barnnet (For him to be inspired). :haha:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7240/7...24b24f64_b.jpg

Interestingly, this tower tentatively is planned at 1,250 with an office component. Since office space usually yields a fatter, shorter structure than a hotel/cono, if Extell drops the office component, this could easily exceed 430m with the current air rights!

P.S.: Extell has posted the Observer's article re: 225 on its website!

I have a feeling they'll go higher than 432 pk


Not just tall... SUPERtall :D

I agree with you. this will be impressive.

Maybe we'll get a spire out of this one...

I think a spire would actually be somewhat likely here. Remember than even One57 has an architectural element that adds roughly 50 feet to its height, and Barnett isn't going to let CIM steal the show with 432 Park. I would think a roof height in the 1,250-1,400 range is likely but that a spire/some kind of architectural addition could take this to 1,500'+.

It all comes down to how much air rights this tower will have. Add a 400 foot spire/mast and it could reach 1,650 feet at least...

I bet this will end up being the tallest in the city.

Although i do wish that this will be as crazy high as people are saying, we are getting ahead of ourselves, but it is nice to dream. But 1250' is still huge.

I'm sure 432 Park will be watched very closely before any final specifications are decided on or announced.

No doubt though there is a lot of potential here for something really special.

The reason I say what I say is, Gary Barnett seems like the kind of guy that, if given the opportunity, would want to develop the tallest building in the city.

The air rights go into the 1400's if I'm not mistaken, it was just stated the building would likely be "more than 1250 feet"

Air rights are separate from building heights. Air rights are just part of the overall allowable building envelope.

This site, BTW, has no building heights. Barnett can build as tall as he wants.

My mistake, but good news, hopefully this building turns out to be NYC's highest

If possible, Barnett should go for a roof height taller than Sears. Something surpassing 1500 ft (roof height) would be ideal. If it ends up being mixed use maybe even an obs. deck is a possibility...

I'm not saying that the height is permanent, i'm just saying i doubt it will be the "tallest in the city", unless 1wtc does end up losing its 1776' height, then its very likely that it could be the tallest, which im all for.

This tower is most likely going to be residential which means all you said will not happen.

There is massive demand for this tower.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/re...d.html?_r=1&hp

Midtown Penthouse Is Sold for Most Ever in New York

By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO

Published: May 17, 2012

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A mystery buyer has agreed to pay a record price in New York of more than $90 million for the duplex penthouse at a Midtown tower, the building’s developer said Thursday.

Gary Barnett, president of Extell Development Company, said the buyer, who declined to be named or to disclose his country of origin, bought the 10,923-square-foot penthouse on the 89th and 90th floors of One57, the building currently under construction at 157 West 57th Street.

The building, which features a Park Hyatt below the condominium units, will offer striking views of the southern end of Central Park and will be among New York’s tallest residential structures when it is completed next year. Since One57 opened for sales in December, about half of its 92 apartments have been sold, Mr. Barnett said.
While Mr. Barnett would not reveal the exact amount the buyer agreed to pay for the penthouse, citing a confidentiality agreement, he said it was less than $100 million. The price nevertheless tops the $88 million that a trust benefiting the daughter of a Russian billionaire, Dmitry Rybolovlev, paid this year for a penthouse at 15 Central Park West owned by the former Citigroup chairman Sanford I. Weill. Besides being a record sale for an apartment in Manhattan, that purchase also drew gasps for the record price paid per square foot: more than $13,000.

The One57 penthouse, which features 23-foot ceilings in a grand salon, traded for about $8,000 per square foot, Mr. Barnett said. He called the purchase by the Rybolovlevs, agreed to late last year, “not a good deal,” saying the market for superluxury properties in New York should be closer to $10,000 per square foot.

Foreign buyers, including Brazilians, Chinese and Russians, have been on a buying spree in New York and Miami in recent months, developers and brokers say. Russian and Ukrainian buyers have shown a particular willingness to pay top dollar for so-called trophy properties.

Mr. Barnett was quick to dispel any notion that the One57 penthouse was sold to a Russian, saying the buyer was not Russian, Ukrainian or from “any other part of the former Soviet Union.”

He described the buyer as a “very nice family” who plans to use the penthouse as a residence, and as “someone that people would recognize.” The sale had been a well-kept secret; the buyer agreed to buy the penthouse more than three months ago, he said, when the apartment was listed at $98.5 million — before Extell raised the asking price to $115 million to adjust for the market tumult caused by the 15 Central Park West sale.

Despite setting a record, the One57 penthouse did not crack the elusive $100 million barrier for a residence, which has not been broken either in New York or in Los Angeles. Mr. Barnett said he nearly broke it with a different apartment at One57.

Earlier this year, he said, a foreign buyer was “very, very seriously looking” at the “Winter Garden” unit, a duplex with a separate solarium totaling 13,500 square feet. The buyer was negotiating to buy that apartment and another full floor — a combination of floors 75 to 77 that would have been 20,000 square feet. The price would have been between $100 and $150 million, Mr. Barnett said.

He would not say why the deal fell through.

“I am hopeful we will break it one day,” he said of the $100 million barrier, “in this building or another one.”

They should make it a mixed use so it can,

Plus 432 park ave. went very high and that's residential, but may just be an exception.

Mostly residential, but still mixed-use:

http://www.observer.com/2012/05/gary...d-57th-street/

One of the designs that didn't make it...



http://observer.com/2012/05/check-ou...roadway-tower/

Check Out a Bonkers Proposal for Gary Barnett’s 1,250-Foot Broadway Tower

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By Matt Chaban
May 31, 2012


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Note the sky gardens surrounding a possible boutique hotel.


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The building boasts offices below, apartments above, perfect for the Columbus Circle crowd.

Reminds me of this:

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Which was Coop Himmelblau

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showth...?t=7832&page=5

Or Iwamoto Scott, who design 'Skyvoid'

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=181550

My #3 guess would actually be Vinoly, as the above tower looks similar to 432 Park... detached skeleton & the structure is 'separated' into different node-ish type things.

Reminds me a lot of this too...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/103105372/original.jpg
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That's bonkers. With a rejected proposal coming out already the planning phase must be much further along already than Barnett first talked about when he said nothing was decided on yet.

When he says nothing is decided yet, he may have selected a winning architect, but that doesn't mean the design itself is final. Being mixed-use, there's a lot at play here.

I have very high hopes that something excellent will be built here and I would have been pleasantly surprised had that design been used. :yes:

Also possibly notable is the above tower actually has a spire, although it's quite narrow. It looks like with the spire it would be ~1,400' tall.

Maybe your right on that, I wonder who the architect will be (or is)? :shrug:

Onn, Herzog de Meuron has already been announced as the architect.

The model also includes a rough massing of 220 CPS.

http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...4-17.jpg?w=337

That's right, sorry about that! So many towers going up I lose track of who is on which project, I totally forgot they were picked. :haha:

Scaling from 888 7th ave, which is 191m tall, the model seems to be about 430-440m tall.

I wish but, measure it in pixels, or just take your fingers and double the height of the 190m building and it's about exactly double, so 380 meters.

I can't stand that little spire on the side though, I hope that's not a cheap measure in beating 432 pk ave.

The office component of 225 W57th appears to be as tall as 888 7th Avenue from the perspective given and when the ~250M/850FT residential component is added on top of the that tower we get a roof height of ~450M/1480FT. Add in the spire and this (dead) iteration of 225 W57th tops 1500FT.

We have no idea what the current form will be like besdides the fact that it too will be very tall, possibly even the new tallest in the US by roof height. :banana:

New photo of possible Extell tower inserted into photo of One57's showroom model. From ny.curbed.com. :)

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/untitled-2213-Edit.jpg

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2012/0...ghbor.php#more

LOL, another rough edit from observer.com....the skyline will never be the same...


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http://observer.com/2012/05/just-how...e-going-to-be/
Just How Insane is the 57th Street Skyline Going to Be?

By Matt Chaban
May 30, 2012

This one is almost too wacky for me, but I think the other 57th St supertalls will balance it out. New York hasn't built a truly crazy, eye-catching skyscraper in quite some time.

The fury of this street's skyscraper boom is quite beautiful.

It's like 57th is in a world of it's own, yet it's just a slice of the skyscraper buzz going on in Manhattan right now.

It occured to me that this design reminds me of another tower also, the David Childs/Libeskind Freedom Tower, right down to the twist and spire...


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you could be right, just looking at it next to ONE57 makes it look like a 400+ meter tower.

I like this design though, hopefully the final will be just as good.