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Canadian Airport Thread II
This thread is a continuation of the previous thread. Please proceed.
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Whoa, the previous thread lasted about 15 years! That seems absolutely crazy, especially considering all the changes, airport upgrades, and new airlines that came in that period. Here is to another 15!:cheers:
Anyways, don't think it was mentioned but Flair has adjusted some flying to be year-round that was previously winter/spring seasonal. Now if it will stick is something that is yet to be seen. YYZ-FLL 7x weekly YYZ-SFB 4x weekly YVR-LAS 4x weekly YYZ-LAS 3x weekly YYZ-KIN 3x weekly YYZ-PUJ 1x weekly YYZ-PVR 1x weekly |
Looks like 8 of the 12 remaining A320s at AC (excluding Rouge) are here to stay.
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Porter turned 17 yesterday.
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A Helijet flight (12 passengers and 2 crew) was hit by lightning, lost instrumentation, declared a PAN-PAN before landing in Victoria harbour. The helicopter lost two of four tail rotor blades. Landed safely. https://www.timescolonist.com/local-...strike-7731838 I have only been on it twice, if you have not, their cute safety video gives a good overview of this airline. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vxzlUNQjHk |
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They operate a harbour to harbour service, but do land on land. |
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Tom Hanks may have had a future script coming his way, otherwise. :) |
Lynx joins in on YYZ-CUN with daily service running year round starting in February.
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In this weeks update, WS extended a bunch of winter routes into May/June:
YYC-HNL YYC-OGG YYC-VRA YYC-FLL YYC-MBJ YYC-PUJ YEG-PHX YVR-PHX YWG-PHX YQR-PHX YXE-PHX YQR-LAS YXE-LAS YHM-MCO Most are showing until mid to late June, well some were only extended until late May. |
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I don’t know….Hank never inverted his aircraft like Denzel did….on purpose, and drunk while doing it! Denzel wins it in my book! (Side note: that scene with John Goodman coming to Denzel’s rescue in the hotel room is epic!)
But I digress. On to more relevant subject matter. TS will start year round YUL-RAK next summer. New destination in Africa for YUL, bringing the tally to 5. A lof of firsts with this flight. First African destination for TS. First A321LR service between North America and Africa. First North American destination for Marrakesh. https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/231026-tsns24rak Quote:
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Heard a rumour that some entity in Canada is sniffing around the A350. Speculate away.
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Westjet? Nah, they're confirmed Boeing fanboys, and they're committed to the sweet sweet deals of being Boeing-exclusive. They don't need many more expensive long-haul planes at this juncture and a second widebody fleet to their 787s would be folly from an operations point-of-view. Air Transat? Their A330s are getting long in the tooth, but the A350 is a decent step up in capacity and range. They're more capacity/range than I figure Air Transat would really benefit from, as they pack passengers into the A330 pretty densely and don't do much beyond Eastern Canada to Europe for range. I'd expect them to go A330neo or used A330 before going whole-hog on fancy A350s, but I've been wrong before. Air Canada? Hmmm. Their 777s are mid-life. The 777-200LRs are pretty thirsty given the number of passengers they carry, but their range can't be beat. The 777-300ER packs them in, 400-450 passengers worth. The A350-900 has the legs for -200LR missions; the A350-1000 can pack the seats in, similar to the -300ER. The 777X is close to flying, but it's a step upwards in size and remains unproven. Mostly, I'm just curious as to why AC would be moving so quickly on 777 replacement at all given they just committed to the 787-10 to replace their aging A330s. Unless Airbus is just chomping at the bit for sales, or AC thinks that the fuel savings of the A350 will make the capital spend worth it to replace the 777? |
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AC doesn’t need the A350 just yet. They just ordered the 787-10, which competes with the A350-900, and has it beat on CASM to Europe. Plus the 777s still have some life left in them. WS would order more 789s, not A350s. So that only leaves TS. |
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The A350-900 and A330-300 both have the same exit limit capacity. 440 passengers (in fact, so does the 787-10). So it's a perfect replacement for the plane. If TS buys the A359, you can expect the same kind of seating config it has on the A333s. ~345-375 passengers, maybe slightly more, as the A359 enables 10 abreast seating. Look at Air Caraibes. Similar shindig to TS, minus the narrowbody fleet, and they operate both the A330 and A350. Considering TS is the only airline with an all-Airbus fleet in Canada, it is the likely candidate for an A350 order at the moment. |
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For Transat's network, the A330neo offers a pretty good package. The A350 seems more expensive for marginal benefit. |
YOW's September pax stats.
Sector / Sep-22 / Sep-23 / % Change Dom: 276,775 / 300,789 / +8.7% TB: 14,746 / 38,599 / +161.8% Int'l: 0 / 8,672 / #DIV/0! - around a 92% LF for September as AF had one roundtrip cxx due to a mechanical TTL: 291,521 / 348,060 / +19.4% Sector / YTD 2022 / YTD 2023 / % Change Dom: 1,963,044 / 2,435,728 / +24.1% TB: 106,969 / 403,677 / +277.4% Int'l: 42,722 / 221,137 / +417.6% TTL: 2,112,735 / 3,060,542 / +44.9% Month-Over-Month Change Sector / Aug-23 / Sep-23 / % Change Dom: 336,239 / 300,789 / -10.5% TB: 44,748 / 38,599 / -13.7% Int'l: 9,166 / 8,672 / -5.4% TTL: 390,153 / 348,060 / -10.8% Avg/Day: 12,586 / 11,602 / -7.8% % of month's avg daily pax vs 2019 (2019 = 13,990 avg pax/day) = 82.9% = worst recovery month since May YTD TTL vs YTD 2019 = 78.8% 12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2021 Dom: 3,181,683 / +178.1% TB: 487,043 / +4,232.4% Int'l: 271,415 / 1,640.2% TTL: 3,940,141 / +236.5% - closing in on 4 million |
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Of course, there is also the A330-800neo, with even more range, almost as much as the A359, but that variant isn't selling well at all, and I don't think TS would go for it. If this rumor is indeed about TS, then I am sure they are looking at both aircraft. The OP did mention "sniffing around". Doesn't mean they will choose the A350. They're simply "kicking its tires" so to speak, and having a look. However, there are several reasons as to why the A359 would make more sense than the A330-900neo, especially if TS has aspirations to widen its network beyond Europe. (And it certainly looks that way, considering they are launching LIM in South America and RAK in Africa, so both those continents seem like fair game for expansion) For one, the A350 is the most advanced widebody commercial airliner out there. Also, the list price of the A330-900neo and A350-900 are almost the same. $296 million vs $317 million. So, the question is, do you settle for the A330neo, or just for a little extra more, do you buy the biggest, badest toy out there. |
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B787-10 order 2 77F order canceled According to planespotters and flyertalk, 6 A320s will join the fleet (4 ex. Virgin America/Alaska, 2 ex China Southern) 1 A321 ex. BR 2 A330s ex. SQ and now this A350-1000 rumor.... None of this stuff was in the Q2 fleet plans. |
Today is the last day of Swoop Ops.
2018-2023 We have our first ULCC causality. Who will be next? Flair 2016- Lynx 2022- |
Today is the first day of a lot of Air Canada changes (in the west at least, probably also in the east I just don't have all the adjustments). AC started YVR-DXB, really hoping it does well so it becomes yer-round. Over at YYC, it was the last day of FRA, YOW, LAX, and YHZ. After today, it really fades away. They still have a lot of domestic flights to YVR, YYZ, and YUL (obviously, as those are AC hubs) but barely anything else substantial.
Some somewhat recent YVR tidbits: -Fiji Airways switched to the larger 350 and up to 3x weekly for much of the winter -Air Canada increasing HKG service to 10-11 for some of the winter period (normally it is just daily) -Turkish Airlines up gauging to a 777-300ER I did a quick flight and seat tally for Westjet at it's three non-YYC "hubs" (in reality only YYC is really a hub now, the others are essentially operating bases, I think that's the term?) Using a week in January 2024, here is the flight breakdown by city and by seats (seat totals are approx. only). It includes mainline, Encore, and Link, but not Sunwing: YVR - 425 flights, 54,672 seats YYZ - 329 Flights, 52,778 seats YEG - 245 flights, 33,084 seats YYZ still very strong for WS in the winter with the amount of sun flying, but domestically and non-Florida, they are quite weak (at least compared to how it used to be even a couple years back). The reason they are far behind YVR on # of flights but not that far off based on seats is because the sun destinations are all jet flights, and Encore pulled out of YYZ. So they are a jet-only airport, hence the large # of seats despite less flights. YVR is strong for mainline plus they are strong for Encore and Link. But those planes are smaller, so they increase total amount of flights more than seats. YEG is quite a distant 3rd place, I was surprised until I did the spreadsheet and saw the numbers, I thought all three airports were closer. But keep in mind, this is January 2024, so as far from peak season as it gets, this is just a comparison with all at the same time of year. Now switch to Summer 2024, using a standard week in July: YVR - 469 flights, 59,911 seats YEG - 346 flights, 43,094 seats YYZ - 311 Flights, 49,953 seats YEG leapfrogs YYZ to take 2nd place in # of flights. And with a very healthy bump in seats. But again, due to YYZ being all-jet and YEG having a big Encore component, they are still 3rd in seats. YEG is the most Encore-heavy of the three, at 70% of flights being operated by Encore. YVR is just under half (49%) of flights operated by Encore and Link combined. YYZ as mentioned, has no Encore. YVR and YEG do better in summer, and YYZ does better in winter. YYZ has always been strong in winter due to such a massive network of sun destinations, it's seemingly endless, with so much capacity with Air Canada, Transat, Sunwing, Westjet, all operating, and so many individual destinations, really wild to see YYZ's "southern" destinations list. But still, not enough to lift it above YVR, which is more more consistent seasonally as well as more diverse with strong domestic, transborder, and sun destinations (of the three sectors, international is obviously weakest, but still not that bad for YVR; YVR has historically not been as strong to the Caribbean as every other Canadian airport, it is much more Mexico, the western US, and Hawaii). But it's interesting to see the patterns and performance of Westjet's "other 3 hubs". YVR very clearly in 2nd place after YYC, with YEG/YYZ closer to each other and bigger or smaller than the other, depending on the definition of bigger as well as the season. It is still so wild to me to see how viciously WS cut YYZ down, that's my biggest takeaway. They were so big for WS, and at times I think they were even bigger than YYC by seat capacity (I know I need to verify this, I will try and dig around but I do remember in the past reading that WS actually had more capacity than YYC during a certain period). So to see them in this condition is shocking, having less summer flights than YEG? That would have been inconceivable in years past. YYZ is such a crowded market, there's just so many players and so much competition. Retrenching in YYC was the smart move of course, just crazy to see the actual numbers and how far it's fallen. I will tackle YYC later today if I have time, it will be kind of funny to just see how insane the gap is between them and everyone else. |
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Today was also the last AF 332 departure out of YOW as the flight upgauges to a 789 for the winter. Pretty rare for a transatlantic flight to see a capacity increase in winter vs summer but to date the route’s overall LF has been around 91%. |
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YYZ 1774 YUL 898 YVR 871 YYC 244 YOW 203 YHZ 170 YEG 149 YWG 104 https://www.staralliance.com/en/airp...irportCode=Yyz https://www.staralliance.com/en/airp...irportCode=Yul https://www.staralliance.com/en/airp...irportCode=Yvr https://www.staralliance.com/en/airp...irportCode=Yyc https://www.staralliance.com/en/airp...irportCode=Yow https://www.staralliance.com/en/airp...irportCode=Yhz https://www.staralliance.com/en/airp...irportCode=Yeg https://www.staralliance.com/en/airp...irportCode=Ywg |
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Given that Qatar and Virgin Atlantic put 390+ seats in their A350-1000s, I suspect AC will have no problem making 400+ work given that AC has a smaller premium cabin than most flag carriers. AC's strategy might be capacity discipline with the A350. Super-large capacities are great if one can fill them at decent fares. If not, the extra seats are somewhat wasted. So, much beyond 400 for most AC routes is probably overkill, especially in low season. I suspect the A350's superior fuel efficiency at range is the hook. AC seems to be making a play for Canada-South Asia direct (Dubai, India, etc.) so a very long-haul, relatively large capacity airplane with decent fuel-efficiency is probably the ticket for that market. The 777 can do these routes, but I think the A350 would make these routes look much better to the accountants. Given what lead times are in the aircraft industry and the fact that the 777 fleet is in their mid-teens now, a replacement strategy that is looking 4-7+ years down the road makes sense. |
With the arrival of the winter schedule, we are back down to only two Air Canada departures to YYZ daily from YQM. There are at 0510 hrs (!!!) and 2145 hrs. Obviously the only option for making connections in Toronto is the 0510 flight, but, Jesus Christ, you would have to wake up at 3 AM in order to make your flight. I mean, why the fuck even bother going to bed!!! :hell:
Ah, the joys of the hub and spoke system if you are a peon living in one of the outer colonies........ :( |
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But yes, I agree having the only two departures at polar opposite ends of the day is brutal. |
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In all seriousness, AC Express is having some pretty serious pilot shortage issues, so admitting defeat at outstations for the time being instead of trying and failing operationally (schedule flight, then cancel) is probably a better plan. |
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For a city of 160k, YQM isn't doing too badly. |
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When I left it was the morning AC flight to Vancouver. Weird seeing all the bars open serving beer and spirits that early in the morning. You must have more liberal liquor laws than other places. Make for a good number of options to commiserate about the evil Central Canadians, us Westerners are happy to join in. |
Booked a flight from Ottawa to Winnipeg the other day for Christmas. Almost no direct flights left, unless you want to leave at 6 am. Everything else from Ottawa goes through Pearson, Montreal or Calgary.
I managed to get a YOW-YYZ-YWG flight there, and a direct flight back. |
Halifax is thankfully finally seeing some relief from the U.S. pilot shortage as American Airlines and Delta Airlines are returning with daily non-stop service to LaGuardia. Only Toronto Pearson, Montreal and Halifax will have service to the brand new LaGuardia Terminals B & C.
A new 2x Daily on Delta Airlines from YHZ to LGA . American Airlines is also adding 1x daily YHZ to LGA. Halifax-NYC is actually shorter than Halifax-Toronto. Beginning in June 2024 there will be four scheduled daily flights from YHZ to NYC airports: https://i.postimg.cc/1zNqKsXv/nyc.png https://i.postimg.cc/QCLCxTqD/nyc2.png Where you can connect to from New York LaGuardia: https://i.postimg.cc/bwDLSXxR/LGA.png 2024 non-stop to the U.S. Northeast from Halifax Stanfield: Boston Air Canada 1x Daily (78 seat Q400) American Airlines 1x Weekly Seasonal (80 seat E175) New York area airports Air Canada EWR 1x Daily (78 seat Q400) American Airlines LGA 1x Daily Seasonal (80 seat E175) Delta Airlines LGA 2x Daily (80 seat E175) Philadelphia American Airlines 1x Daily Seasonal (128 seat A319) Washington Reagan American Airlines 1x Weekly Seasonal (80 seat E175)[/QUOTE] |
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https://www.boeing.com/resources/boe...isle/chart.png AC will need the 777-9, especially at capacity constrained airports like YYZ and YUL. In fact, I'd be flabbergasted if they didn't order it eventually. Now don't get me wrong. This is not to say they will not order the A350-1000. The latter has less capacity than the 777-9, but a lot more range, which will come in handy for AC, especially on the ULH routes to India, as you say. The 77W cannot fly those missions at the moment, which is why they are mostly flown by the 789 and 77L. Even the 777-9s range won't cut it (see link below). So I think there is definitely a place in AC's network for the A350-1000, as it can carry more passengers than the 789 and 78X, significantly further than both. But make no mistake, AC will need a sub-fleet of 450 seater machines, and the 777-9 fits that bill perfectly. https://www.boeing.com/commercial/777x/ Either way, TS or AC, it's safe to say it will be a Montreal based carrier ordering the first Canadian A350. ;) Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if both of them operate the type, eventually. But I agree about TS. The A330-900neo makes more sense for them. |
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The airport is somewhat inconveniently located for the city but the flip side of that is it's relatively easy to get to for a lot of people around NS and the Maritimes. |
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Since the pandemic, the Dash aircraft have been retired and replaced by jet service (different metal and different PAX depending on the time of the year). We may have more comfortable flights, and faster air travel, but, at the sacrifice of flight frequency and convenience. Now we have 3x daily to TO in the summer (2x daily in the winter), 2x daily to Montreal and no flights to Ottawa (although the Moncton-Ottawa route is covered by Porter and PAL). Most of the places I would like to travel to aren't really served directly from Halifax either (unless you are talking about Boston, New York, Philadephia or Vancouver). A connection would still be required, and this would be compounded by a 500 km return trip by car, parking fees +/- a hotel stay. Really, for me, the only times I ever used YHZ since moving to Moncton was for flights to Europe. And, yes, for a city it's size, Moncton does OK for flights. Here is a current flight destination map: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...7664d8af_b.jpgScreen Shot 2023-05-14 at 12.04.48 PM Of course, about half of these routes are seasonal. |
Well Halifax and Ottawa each have 15 destinations served by Air Canada's network (including Express and Rouge seasonal).
Calgary now only has a total of 12 destinations served by Air Canada (including Express and Rouge seasonal). :stunned: |
I am grateful afaik Canadian airports provide free Wi-Fi, we just used LAX and there is no free wifi at all and the food there is so expensive.
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https://www.flylax.com/lax-wifi Food is expensive and over priced at all airports. |
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