Austin | Conrad Residences (307 E. 2nd St.) | 755 Feet | 62 Floors | Never Built
 

A site plan was filed today for what's described as "mixed use high rise" and "High Rise residential" at 307 E. 2nd St. There is a typo at the top of the filing that lists the address as 307 E. 6th. But the correct address is listed further down the filing.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-s...pertyrsn=93500


This is for the same site that I posted about in the update thread last week when a "Pre-plan Submittal Development Consultation" permit was filed. The site plan says the site is currently an office and restaurant. The house would be the office. The restaurant referenced could be either Gus's or Micheladas based on Streetview.

https://i.imgur.com/G9mVvfy.jpg

According to last year's revision to the Convention Center expansion plan, this lot (as part of the entirety of the half-block in the graphic) was reserved for a "future hotel." This is the northernmost #3; the southernmost #3 is the new Marriott.

Interesting to see if "mixed use" includes a hotel component or not.

https://i.imgur.com/AyzVGnL.png

Intracorp (44 East) is the developer per this this filing about the trees on the site:

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-s...pertyrsn=93500

That's really interesting. I was just looking up Intracorp, and generally they seem to do townhomes and midrises in Vancouver, around California and the Seattle metro. They're urban homebuilders, essentially. 44 East is sort of a departure for them -- a major highrise.

They have another very cool project they're building in Toronto -- a 60 story residential highrise called The Massey that not only has a cool texture and body, but is also anchored on a couple of historic buildings -- a lot like the proposed Masonic Lodge tower here in Austin.

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/...4708-13614.jpg

Not sure what that portends for this particular parcel, but they don't seem afraid to go tall when the market demands it . . . and if the CC expansion pans out, this is will be the place to go tall.

If it's anything like 44 East I'm all for it, especially in height.

It's 53 floors:

https://i.imgur.com/yHx3IsG.png
ftp://ftp.ci.austin.tx.us/ATD_AULCC/AULCC_2021/210218/

Here's the ground floor. Two lobbies with their own elevator banks. One is "Condo" the other is most likely for hotel.

https://i.imgur.com/cmZNRIK.png
ftp://ftp.ci.austin.tx.us/ATD_AULCC/.../210218/PLANS/

What the flip, the height in Austin now is astounding.

I disagree. No restaurant...no bar...small entrances?
Unless they are on upper levels, this specific lobby seems to resemble that of an office tower (component).

Should be a 600 footer easy. 90 Rainey is 602 feet with 51 floors, and it has hotel and residential as this one probably will. The floor to floor height on 90 Rainey is 11 feet, so with this having two more floors, it could be around ~624 feet.

EDIT: If it's an office component with residential, that would make it taller than it would be with residential and hotel. It just depends on how many of those floors would be office space, but that could add 2 to 3 feet for each office floor - say 13 to 14 feet versus 11 feet for hotel and residential.

The site plan application was CC Approved last week. So we should get more details including all the uses soon.

Yeah I have to say I agree. The non-condo lobby is teensy. Not what you would expect from a hotel, even if main arrival happens on an upper floor/sky lobby. Not sure what the mixed use will be but I’m skeptical about a hospitality/restaurant use.

If it's an office, I wouldn't be surprised if it has nothing. Particularly considering the other recent office buildings going up (and their commercial/restaurant space....or lack thereof), as well as the small footprint.

If it's a hotel, I'd be quite surprised if it didn't have anything. I can't think of the last 10+ floor hotel I saw built in Austin that didn't have at least one restaurant and one bar. Perhaps the Homewood suites on Rainey, although why would you drink there when you have Rainey..... But every other recent hotel (Proper, Fairmont, Aloft/Element, Thompson, Westin, Marriot downtown, etc.) have all had at least that going. Perhaps it will just be on the 2nd or 3rd floors.

I've stayed in several hotels around the world with a smaller street presence in the form of a basic lobby which had other amenities (restaurants, etc.) on higher floors. Doesn't mean it's not office space, but there is a lot of stuff in the area already, as Geckos_Rule said. It'll certainly be interesting to find out what it is.

Lots of hotels have their main lobbies on upper floors (aloft/element downtown for example).

This is extremely common in bigger cities like NYC. The ground floor entrance is often nothing more than a hallway with stairs and an elevator bank.

Yep. Pretty much all the hotels in Times Square, for example, have their lobbies, bars and restaurants on higher floors (i.e., Marriott Marquis, W-Times Square, Edition-Times Square, etc). It's actually kind of cool.

San Antonio's Hilton Garden Inn downtown does the same.

Yeah, it's like 50 stories or bust now for new developments lol. What an exciting future for this city! Have you made your move here yet?

My heart jumped a bit when I saw that Toronto building. Wish that was the rendering for this project.

I’m leaving Atlanta on Sunday morning for Austin

Good timing. The snow and ice mess we have will be melted by then.

New info just filed with the City:

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-s...pertyrsn=93500

62 stories! Sweet. That would put this proposal in the 700'-800' range (more than likely).

Some nearby comps...
-98 Red River proposal: mixed use and 74/1030' (floor-to-floor Height = 13.92')
-80 Rainey proposal: mixed use and 64/802' (floor-to-floor Height = 12.53')
-90 Rainey proposal: residential and 51/602' (floor-to-floor Height = 11.80')
-The Travis proposal: residential and 52/594' (floor-to-floor Height = 11.42')
-44 East: residential and 49/573' (floor-to-floor Height = 11.69')
-River Street proposal: residential and 48/572' (floor-to-floor Height = 11.92')

Considering this is the same developer as 44 East - and they may use the same architect - I might narrow the height to between 725' and 775'.

Holy crap. That thing is double the floor count of the Marriott. Huge!

Also really glad to see a hotel component making a comeback as part of the mix.

Isn’t that where new convention center is going?

Yo, remember that 400 foot plateau we had a few years back?

Reference the second post in this thread.

Here's a permit from February that indicates the trees on the site will remain and only the house will be demo'ed.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-s...pertyrsn=93500

Also jumped up 9 floors from the last filing (originally 53, now 62). That's an interesting change.

Maybe that was due to specifics about the hotel portion being decided?

Or, you could have said, ‘No, that starts on the next block to the north.’ :rolleyes:

Thanks for the info.

But you would have missed the cool map. :)

*snorts in derision*

Does this mean Gus Fried Chicken is going bye bye?

Maybe. The city’s info doesn’t specify how much of the northern half of the block the building will use.

Just walked by on my lunch break . . . and the lot they're referring to is kinda weird. Aside from the house itself, there's nothing but a dirt parking lot, and a lot of what looks like scrub foliage surrounding it. There might be one tree worth saving on the lot, but the rest look pretty incidental.

If they're not going to clear those out, I wonder how they'll incorporate them into the design?

EDIT: also, this thing is going to be HUGE. The Marriott itself is pretty imposing -- I can't believe this is going to roughly double the height.

The first demo permit to clear the site was filed today. It's for the middle of the block. There is a 78 page attachment about the demo. Apparently the house and the restaurant building have asbestos building materials which requires A LOT of documentation.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-s...pertyrsn=93500

Intracorp is moving the house on the site to a park in E. Austin. Here's a nice nine page presentation for the HLC meeting today:

http://austintexas.gov/cityclerk/boa...tings/31_1.htm


From the presentation (no tower renderings):

https://i.imgur.com/pVOJktj.png

Geez. This project is moving pretty quickly. Hopefully we'll get more info on it soon.

The next Design Commission meeting is in two weeks (Mon. 05/24). This project is a likely candidate for an upcoming meeting.

The site plan was approved and released today.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-s...pertyRSN=93500

That was too quick for a full project site plan, and it is described as a "Concept Site Plan." There is also a Design Submission permit still in progress:

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-s...pertyrsn=93500

For whatever reason, this project is not following the typical permitting route.

And today they filed an actual site plan. I guess they were waiting for the concept site plan to be approved:

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-s...pertyrsn=93500

Yeah, the conceptual site plan process is relatively new (185 used it). It allows the developer to vest some entitlements if there are fuzzy areas such as overlays without spending a lot of money on engineering required for a complete site plan. In this case, I bet they did it to fend off the City's attempt to acquire development rights on the same property.

I don't think the COA is interested in that property anymore since they decided not to expand the convention center to the west.

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It's to get a Completeness Check in-place before the new Downtown Density Program comes into effect, hoping to get grand fathered in before the crazy new fees become the norm.

I believe Tovo makes the proposal today.

Always efforts from some to make development more expensive. Crickets when it comes to making development more efficient. Of course we're in a huge housing crisis. Glad we have term limits, wish they were adhered to.

I believe the concept plan was filed before the city abandoned the western expansion plans.

The HLC unanimously approved the house relocation at yesterday's meeting to make way for this project.

Quite a few files were added to the site plan today. But there are huge discrepancies in the project info between the files. Apparently it's condo, but the amount of DUs and hotel rooms varies greatly among the different files. We have this listed as 62-stories, but there are other statements saying this is 56, 61 and 64-stories. Apparently this project may have to be built around an old pecan tree that can't be moved which is impacting design.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-s...pertyRSN=93500


Here's the ground floor:

https://i.imgur.com/5brbYNC.png