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NYguy

Sep 7, 2020 1:21 PM

NEW YORK | PA Bus Terminal Towers | 1,346 FT & 926 FT & FT| FLOORS

Taking this from the bus terminal thread to discuss the proposed skyscrapers. It may or may not happen, but it's a proposal anyway.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/06/proposal-could-put-the-port-authority-bus-terminal-underground/

Proposal could put the Port Authority Bus Terminal underground

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/si...uthority.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1033

By Steve Cuozzo
September 6, 2020

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It’s a bury good way to get rid of the city’s most hated transit hub.

Many of the 250,000 commuters who use the Port Authority Bus Terminal on Eighth Avenue daily would love to see the ugly, inefficient facility disappear. An audacious replacement proposal submitted by a major engineering and design firm would give them their wish by moving it underground.

But the public never heard about it — until now.

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The PA wants to replace the obsolete, overcrowded terminal, which former agency executive director Pat Foye gently calls “functionally obsolete.” Comic John Oliver more colorfully termed it “the single worst place on planet earth.”

The PA is considering three alternatives for either modernizing the terminal and putting an office tower on top of it, or partly moving it into the remote Javits Convention Center.

Now, The Post has exclusively obtained images of a plan by global infrastructure giant AECOM and architectural firm STV to bury the terminal underground in a “soaring public space” renamed Hudson Terminal Market with stores, cafes and connections to the No. 7 and Eighth Avenue subway lines.

A grand, glass roof would bring in sunlight. New tunnels near the Lincoln Tunnel entrance would bring buses directly into the subterranean terminal and eliminate the ugly tangle of overhead ramps. The block of West 41st Street between Eighth and Ninth avenues, which the terminal straddles, would be closed to create a “superblock” bounded by the avenues and by West 40th and 42nd streets for a landscaped public park and new office or apartment towers.

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AECOM submitted its vision to the PA in 2019. The money-hemorrhaging agency nixed it for the other scenarios because they’d each cost an estimated $10 billion compared with $15 billion for the sunken-terminal plan.

But some analysts say AECOM’s plan could now become much cheaper thanks to a Trump administration initiative to stimulate new development.

Proponents say the project could be financed at little or no cost to the PA by tapping near-zero-interest federal loans to spur development as part of recovery from the COVID-19 crisis.

Insiders said AECOM’s task force for the terminal project was led by former PA executive director Christopher Ward, who was the design company’s New York-area CEO until he left the firm in 2018. Ward, who was at the PA from 2008-2011, rescued the agency’s stalled World Trade Center redevelopment project and was credited with breaking a stubborn logjam.

The terminal plan involves what real-estate professionals call “a million moving parts.” Among other things, it would require a city-state development agency to mastermind the project for the PA.

A “big box” to contain the new bus terminal and passenger amenities would first be built beneath the current terminal. It would be installed before the above-ground building is demolished.

The city, which owns the land, and the PA could profit down the line by selling air rights to developers who would build on parts of the superblock to be determined. The site is zoned for about six million square feet of development without needing public review.

New towers there would effectively extend the Times Square district west beyond its current boundary of Eighth Avenue.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/si...hority-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1033

NYguy

Sep 7, 2020 1:25 PM

Not really a new plan...we've seen this model before.

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1/171019395.xtagqIev.som2.jpg

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1/171019396.YyRqeRa8.som2b.JPG

Crawford

Sep 7, 2020 1:38 PM

The terminal, in its current location, will eventually have to go. It either has to be completely buried or moved over by Javits.

NYguy

Sep 7, 2020 1:49 PM

This particular idea is something I was talking about for site 2 of the Empire Station redevelopment, where there are two large towers planned around and over an open plaza. I think that space needs to be more than just an open plaza, Something with a glass skylight to the station below would be nice. If something like this were built on the current PA terminal site, it would be a HUGE improvement, and would go a long way toward connecting the Hudson Yards area with the extended Midtown area of Times Square. Not to mention eliminating the ugly ramps to the terminal.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/si...uthority.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1033

https://imgs.6sqft.com/wp-content/upload...rt-authority-bus-terminal-proposal12.jpg
https://www.6sqft.com/port-authority-releases-five-design-proposals-for-new-bus-terminal/

chris08876

Sep 7, 2020 2:29 PM

This sounds and looks insanely expensive. Whatever the projected cost is, double it with the PA running things.

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:haha:

It's like Dawn of the Dead there, very true.

Lots of potential for this site, I just hope its managed right if something does come to fruition.

NYguy

Sep 7, 2020 2:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 9034397)

This sounds and looks insanely expensive. Whatever the projected cost is, double it with the PA running things.

All of those plans are expensive, but this was the most expensive. The only reason it's come up now is because of the current crisis. But whatever version of the new terminal takes shape, don't expect everyone to be happy. There will be a chorus of "why?".

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The money-hemorrhaging agency nixed it for the other scenarios because they’d each cost an estimated $10 billion compared with $15 billion for the sunken-terminal plan.

Proponents say the project could be financed at little or no cost to the PA by tapping near-zero-interest federal loans to spur development as part of recovery from the COVID-19 crisis.

• Video Link

Sky88

Sep 7, 2020 5:56 PM

Another image of the project. :)

http://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1...6adc9fc9953d128c161069bce66d&oe=5F7CC9C0

NYguy

Sep 8, 2020 5:23 PM

^ A unified Midtown.

NYguy

Oct 12, 2020 5:47 PM

https://therealdeal.com/2020/10/12/port-authority-out-3b-has-waterfront-land-to-sell/

Port Authority, out $3B, has waterfront land to sell
Agency’s revenue crushed by Covid as it pursued projects costing billions

TRD New York
October 12, 2020

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...The executive director also discussed office leasing at the World Trade Center (“The big picture is it’s going extraordinarily well”) and rebuilding the Port Authority Bus Terminal (“We will publish our new proposal well before the end of the year”).

The bus terminal, on Eighth Avenue and West 42nd Street, will involve a revenue-generating private component to help cover the cost, which could exceed $10 billion. “Infrastructure is expensive,” Cotton said. “But we need to get on with it.”

NYguy

Jan 15, 2021 4:47 AM

This rendering released by the governor doesn't seem to indicate any open space. Sure it's probably not a final design, but it's location is where the open plaza was depicted...

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1/171345185.WLbe826y.r4.JPG

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NYguy

Jan 21, 2021 6:05 PM

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york...be-built-atop-existing-structure-1358778

Plans call for new Port Authority bus terminal to be built atop existing structure

By SAMANTHA MALDONADO
01/20/2021

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The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey will build a new bus terminal atop the existing structure in Midtown Manhattan and incorporate on-site bus parking and infrastructure for electric buses, according to a New Jersey lawmaker who has been briefed on the plan.

“They’re not designing a bus terminal to accommodate what we see today, but what we anticipate in the future,” state Senate Majority Leader Loretta Weinberg told POLITICO Wednesday afternoon.

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The build-in-place approach, one of three main options the bi-state agency had considered in planning to replace the terminal, will allow buses to continue servicing the existing terminal during construction.

An internal document obtained by POLITICO from December 2020 details the process of the construction work and the footprint the project will take. An included preliminary timeline estimates that construction will begin in 2024. A temporary facility will open in 2028, and the permanent facility will open in 2031.

The new terminal will also include off-street parking for buses.

“That helps the people in that geographic area to not have a lot of local buses on the street they don’t need,” Weinberg said, adding that the parking availability would put an end to buses that service New Jersey-to-New York routes driving around empty between trips.

NYguy

Jan 21, 2021 6:25 PM

Sounds like they will go with option 3...

https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1/171358705.pIzvdRRt.FullSizeRender.jpg

C.	Jan 21, 2021 7:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 9166612)

Sounds like they will go with option 3...

Pity. I was a huge fan of option 3 since it would open up a lot of free space and allow for some reconfiguration of the access routes\ramps. It also would have been an engineering marvel.

Crawford

Jan 21, 2021 7:38 PM

Option 3 does remove the ramps. They're selling the air rights above the PA-owned land. This should mean a phalanx of new towers from 42nd & 8th, heading westward.

$10 billion for a bus terminal. Sounds crazy, but undoubtedly much, much cheaper than the Empire State complex will end up costing.

And per NYT, there will be four towers. One giant office tower directly above the new terminal, and three towers to the south and west.

NYguy

Jan 21, 2021 8:43 PM

Update in the proposal...

‘Notorious’ Port Authority Bus Terminal May Get a $10 Billion Overhaul
After years of study and debate, there is finally a proposal to rebuild the Midtown Manhattan eyesore from the ground up

By Patrick McGeehan and Winnie Hu
Jan. 21, 2021

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... the agency that operates the bus terminal — the busiest in the country — has settled on a final proposal for transforming it into a 21st-century transit hub capable of handling many more buses.

The project’s announcement on Thursday follows the opening on Jan. 1 of the Moynihan Train Hall, a majestic, light-filled terminus meant to alleviate overcrowding and offer a far more appealing gateway to New York than Pennsylvania Station, which is arguably the most miserable train hub in the United States.

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The bus terminal plan, which has been in the works for more than seven contentious years, would cost as much as $10 billion and could take a decade to complete. It comes amid a steep decline in the financial condition of the agency, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, that operates the terminal.

The agency hopes to get help in financing the project by selling rights to put a commercial tower on top of the expanded terminal and build three other high-rises nearby.

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Mr. Cotton said it was too soon to provide a reliable estimate of the project’s cost, which has been projected in the past at $7.5 billion to $10 billion. The proposal, which he called “ingenious,” must still get through environmental reviews before it can compete for any federal funding. He said the agency had a “10-year time frame” for completing the project.

An earlier proposal had caused an uproar among community leaders because it suggested the liberal use of eminent domain powers to relocate the terminal. But the revised plan is less likely to rile up the terminal’s neighbors in the Hell’s Kitchen neighborhood because it does not include the taking of any private property.

Instead, they would rebuild and enlarge the existing bus terminal while keeping it open for travelers.

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The new proposal also addresses a constant complaint of Manhattan residents: the steady stream of intercity buses that pick up and drop passengers at various curbsides, snarling traffic and blocking sidewalks. The plan calls for building a depot west of the main terminal that could accommodate those buses and provide storage for others.

... Mr. Wright said replacing the terminal is a necessity no matter how much it costs because of the integral role it plays in the city’s daily commute. More than 250,000 people passed through it on a typical weekday before the pandemic, according to the Port Authority. Since March, that traffic has dropped by more than 65 percent.

“New York ceases to exist without its connections to the surrounding communities and the work force,” Mr. Wright said. “Without it, the city enters into a period of decline.”

Busy Bee

Jan 21, 2021 9:08 PM

Here's hoping a combined 7 train/Metro-North station is built under that western most parcel owned by the PA before the opportunity is squandered forever.

NYguy

Jan 22, 2021 1:00 AM

https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/port-authority-unveils-plans-to-replace-nyc-bus-terminal-by-2031/

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The new multi-billion dollar facility will be built mostly over the footprint of the 70-year-old existing terminal, with some expansion onto adjacent Port Authority properties.

“It builds on top of the existing bus terminal, but it also leverages additional space by moving the ramps from where they’re currently located all the way to the west of 10th Avenue,” Cotton told reporters.

The terminal’s existing ramps, which stretch multiple blocks between 41st and 38th streets, will be replaced with an bus storage building and two new public parks.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/si...design-2.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1033

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/si...edesign-3.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=915

chris08876

Jan 22, 2021 1:54 AM

Once the crowds and tourists really return in masses to the city, this is going to be traffic and pedestrian hell with such a grandiose construction scope. I could imagine the delays being insane traffic wise.

NYguy

Jan 22, 2021 2:33 AM

More information on the plan...

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A little more on the towers...

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Crawford

Jan 23, 2021 12:49 AM

So about 8.2 million square feet of private development in four towers, and the bus terminal complex will be nearly 3 million square feet.

This will be an enormous redevelopment. Finally we have a fix to the West Side bus congestion and the crappy terminal and ramps.

NYguy

Jan 23, 2021 6:05 PM

One thing about this proposal is that it overlaps with the Hudson Yards. The 2 towers on the western end (1 office and 1 residential) would rise just below Larry Silverstein's Hudson Yards development at 41st Street. The large office tower, along with Silverstein's office tower, would provide an anchoring of the northern Hudson Yards. On the other hand, the ramps will form the northern terminus to Hudson River Boulevard and park. So I'm hoping the design would at least be something nice to look at.

Here's some of the phasing that would go into effect to get the complex built, which would begin with the decking over access tunnels...

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NYguy

Jan 26, 2021 12:44 AM

https://www.bondbuyer.com/news/mix-and-match-how-port-authority-intends-to-fund-bus-project

Mix and match: How Port Authority intends to fund bus project

https://arizent.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/...073d88cd6125%2Fbus-terminal-interior.jpg

By Paul Burton
January 25, 2021

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The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey's plans for a new Manhattan bus terminal — a trophy project involving a long-scorned facility and stigmatized mode of travel — beg the question of who will pay for it and how much.

While some media accounts pegged at the cost at up to $10 billion, Executive Director Rick Cotton sidestepped estimates on Thursday as the 100-year-old bistate authority released its final scoping report.

“We don’t want to quote an amount that’s too high or too low,” he said. “We want to wait until we get greater clarity on each of the elements. If we put a number out there, we want to stand behind it.”

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The Port Authority submitted the report to the Federal Transit Administration with a request for an environmental review. Full construction could take up to a decade.

It is hinging its build-in-place project on a four-pronged approach that would include air-rights proceeds up to four new high-rise towers — three office and one residential — and funding from payments-in-lieu of taxes, or PILOTs, from developers subject to city approval.

The Port Authority, which started the process in 2013, winnowed 30 options to the preferred one it unveiled Thursday. The authority intends to tap $3 billion from its 2017 to 2026 capital program and seek financial assistance from new or existing federal infrastructure programs.

“This was the structure for funding the Moynihan Train Hall,” Cotton said.

NYguy

Feb 11, 2021 11:51 PM

Missed this little bit...

https://www.metro-manhattan.com/blog/mid...-bus-terminal-in-for-10b-revamp-by-2030/

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February 11, 2021
Alan Rosinsky

When work is finished on the project, somewhere in 2030, PABT will be renamed the Midtown Bus Terminal and forever change the Midtown West landscape. The bigger, $51 billion Midtown West redevelopment plan will bring 196,000 new jobs to the area and create much-needed affordable housing and outdoor space to this part of the city.

The next steps in Cuomo’s master plan include fueling $16 billion into Penn Station’s reconstruction, which involves expanding the complex to 40% more train capacity and adding more than eight new underground train tracks. This phase of the project is expected to create 60,000 direct jobs. Afterward, up to 14 new buildings from Broadway to the Hudson will yield 20 million square feet of commercial and residential development and 1,400 affordable housing units.

Hadn't thought about a name change, but surely they can come up with something better.

Busy Bee

Feb 12, 2021 2:21 AM

I'm not sure what's wrong with Port Authority Bus Terminal. That is what it is.

NYC2ATX

Feb 12, 2021 6:32 AM

I have a feeling that they believe that the term "Port Authority," specifically with respect to the bus terminal, has a negative connotation they are looking to dispel with this brand new building. I also have a feeling that it will end up being named for someone important at some point closer to its opening date.

NYguy, those illustrations are highly informative and highly appreciated :tup:

Busy Bee

Feb 12, 2021 2:36 PM

https://d144mzi0q5mijx.cloudfront.net/img/B/U/Busorama.png
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NYguy

Feb 12, 2021 4:38 PM

^ LOL, submit that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 9188682)

I'm not sure what's wrong with Port Authority Bus Terminal. That is what it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC2ATX (Post 9188793)

Yeah, I think they are trying to do away with any negative connotations too, but "Midtown Bus Terminal" sounds just a step below what it is now. I agree it will probably have a more formal name somewhere down the line, but they should just leave the name as it is until then.

Busy Bee

Feb 12, 2021 4:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 9189106)

^ LOL, submit that.

Extra points if you know what that name comes from.

NYguy

Feb 12, 2021 5:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 9189133)

Extra points if you know what that name comes from.

Google tells me its the font. But I like to imagine it's a 70's era something, lol.

BTW, this thing is extending all the way to the Javits Center. A whacky name would be the Jacob K. Javits Bus Terminal and Convention Center. Or they should just call it Hell's Kitchen. That would be fun. "Attention passengers, we are now arriving in Hell's Kitchen".

Busy Bee

Feb 12, 2021 6:46 PM

^^^

It is a typeface(font) but it's a typeface named after an advertising program's "batwings" that were attached to many MTA buses from the late 1960s through the early 1980s:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/70/4f/9d/704f9d675d270f5d47430ad214ec9b9c.jpg
GM bus

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GM bus

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GM bus

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GM bus

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Flxible bus in Chicago

Busy Bee

Feb 12, 2021 6:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyguy (Post 9189160)

[o]r they should just call it hell's kitchen. That would be fun. "attention passengers, we are now arriving in hell's kitchen".

Hell's Bus Station:D

NYguy

Feb 12, 2021 7:11 PM

The glory days of buses.

You know, together with the construction of Empire Station, these 2 transit projects will bring major construction activity to the west side in the next decade. And that's not even counting the skyscrapers.

Visionist

Feb 13, 2021 10:16 AM

Does the NYT building stand to lose its views westward? I can see something taller going up right next door.

Watch the NYT run a smear campaign against the developers to save their views hahaha.

NYguy

Feb 13, 2021 4:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Visionist (Post 9189988)

Does the NYT building stand to lose its views westward? I can see something taller going up right next door.

Watch the NYT run a smear campaign against the developers to save their views hahaha.

Eminent domain was used to get that headquarters built. If they wanted views forever, they should have built on the river. 3 Hudson Yards will have some nice westward views.

NYguy

Apr 20, 2021 5:42 PM

Overview of the area

• Video Link

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Raysiri

Apr 21, 2021 12:41 AM

Will there be a supertall skyscraper (just one) be built in the complex by 2030s? It should buy air rights and rise to about 1,042 feet tall.

jbermingham123

Apr 21, 2021 2:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raysiri (Post 9255549)

Will there be a supertall skyscraper (just one) be built in the complex by 2030s? It should buy air rights and rise to about 1,042 feet tall.

Im hoping for something around twice that height for this site

NYguy

Apr 21, 2021 4:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 9167208)

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This is the development plan.

mrnyc

Apr 21, 2021 1:44 PM

so an eventual tower is allowed for only half of main bus station terminal at 8th ave? seems like a waste of half the main building. maybe they want to save it for additions for more bus services if need be???

NYguy

Apr 21, 2021 3:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 9255899)

Probably has to do with the core of the office tower taking up space.

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Sky88

Apr 21, 2021 3:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raysiri (Post 9255549)

Will there be a supertall skyscraper (just one) be built in the complex by 2030s? It should buy air rights and rise to about 1,042 feet tall.

Knowing the dimensions of the individual towers present in the project (millions of sq ft) and making a comparison with the New York Times Building (1,545,708 sq ft and 721 ft tall without the spire) you can evaluate that the heights of the towers may be greater than the images published so far.

NYguy

May 19, 2021 1:24 AM

CB5 meeting...

https://www.cb5.org/cb5m/calendar/2021-june/#transportation-environment

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TRANSPORTATION & ENVIRONMENT

Monday, May 24th, 2021, at 6:00pm

Presentation of the Scoping document for the Port Authority Bus Terminal Redevelopment Plan

NYguy

May 26, 2021 8:41 PM

CB5 meeting...

• Video Link

mrnyc

May 26, 2021 8:45 PM

let's just hope the temporary structures don't become permanent.

Sky88

Jun 21, 2021 4:43 PM

First Chance For Public To Weigh In On Latest Port Authority Bus Terminal Plan Is This Week

BY STEPHEN NESSEN, WNYC
JUNE 21, 2021 5:01 A.M.

http://cdn.cms.prod.nypr.digital/images/2020_portnew.2e16d0ba.fill-661x496.jpg
A rendering of the proposed new Port Authority Bus Terminal PORT AUTHORITY BUS TERMINAL

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The public will have a first chance this week to weigh on recently unveiled Port Authority bus terminal plans, during two virtual public hearings on Wednesday and Thursday. The $10 billion project is a major component of Governor Cuomo’s midtown redevelopment plan.

The public hearings come as some of the city’s workforce has slowly started returning to work in Manhattan office buildings. But many people continue to work remotely, and questions remain about what the future of office work in the city looks like, and when the city’s full workforce will return, if ever.

The new terminal would be built in the existing footprint of the current Port Authority Bus Terminal (PABT) at 42nd Street, and is expected to meet the demand of the current and expected number of buses. It’s also designed to accommodate the larger size of newer buses, which are the norm now, but were not when the current terminal was built more than 70 years ago. The project anticipates a future in which buses are electric and would require charging stations as well.

http://gothamist.com/news/first-chance-public-weigh-latest-port-authority-bus-terminal-plan

chris08876

Jun 21, 2021 5:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 9292630)

let's just hope the temporary structures don't become permanent.

Hopefully the funding doesn't dry up.

Raysiri

Jun 21, 2021 9:47 PM

I bet there should be a megatall skyscraper here. ;)

chris08876

Jun 22, 2021 1:43 AM

This is going to be one of those background projects. One that will take a long time I feel. Anything "Port Authority" related will take ages.

But I'd almost think of it like the Penn District. Just one of those background projects that will develop over the long run. Not Hudson Yards Phase I speed, but over the long run.

NYguy

Jun 23, 2021 9:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 9318540)

I think this will move forward because Cuomo likes his big projects. That's for both the bus terminal and Penn Station. The office buildings that follow will be determined by the market, but when they are able to be leased, they will be built. All will be phased in.

NYguy

Jun 24, 2021 5:32 PM

https://www.nj.com/news/2021/06/construc...ty-bus-terminal-could-start-in-2024.html

Construction on new Port Authority bus terminal could start in 2024

By Larry Higgs
June 24, 2021

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More details emerged about plans to build new Port Authority bus terminal to replace the current outmoded Midtown Manhattan facility emerged during the first day of public hearings on Wednesday, with a schedule to start construction as early as 2024.

“It will take eight years to build, starting in 2024 with a temporary bus terminal and ramps,” said Graham Trelstad, a consultant on the project for WSP. “It will open in 2028 and construction will begin in the main terminal.”

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That phase of the project will take another four years and plans call for a permanent bus terminal to open in 2031, he said. In addition, the temporary bus terminal will be converted to its permanent use as a terminal to get interstate buses off city streets that now make curbside passenger pick up, and for bus storage.

Core structures for four proposed towers to be built above the bus terminal would be included in the construction to be built out later, a technique the Port Authority used building the remaining World Trade Center towers after Tower One was built.

Three would be commercial towers and one would built for residential and mixed use.

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The public hearings are being held to satisfy Environmental Impact Statement requirements of the Federal Transit Administration, which could lead to federal funding for the bus terminal. A second Zoom public hearing will be held on Thursday and emailed and written comments will be taken on the project website until July 19.

Air quality and pollution remains a concern, both from the new terminal and from existing Lincoln Tunnel traffic gridlocked on 9th and 10th Avenues, she said. Neighbors also fear air pollution will get worse from traffic delayed during the project.

“The Port Authority should address this pollution, which has been here for the past 20 years and has become worse since COVID,” Berthet said. “They are a huge burden on (the) community’s quality of life.”

While the new terminal added interstate buses that now pick up on city streets, jitneys aren’t included in the new terminal and spill into neighborhood streets, she said.

“It is critical they have access (to the terminal),” Berthet said.

Finally she said the community board would like the height and mass of a proposed 60- to 70-story tower reduced.

Of course they would.

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No property would have to be condemned for the new terminal, answering a major concern from residential and business neighbors. It would provide five floors for buses and 160 passenger gates.

The new terminal design also includes infrastructure for future construction of four high-rise towers over portions of the new bus terminal that could help fund it, through sale of air rights and payments in lieu of taxes shared by the city with the authority. Federal funding also could be sought.

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