188 Cannon Street East | 100.3m | 32 fl | Under Construction
 

Saw this site up for sale on realtor.ca this evening. $3.5 million. Current a vacant laundromat. Looks like the sellers think the new owner could get 26 storeys, that's what the preliminary rendering indicates. I don't know who the architect is, but it looks like a KNYMH design to my eye.

realtor.ca link

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seems like a pretty ambitious concept for that site but I guess its just marketing material at this point.

Considering they did dry cleaning there, probably only a big building is worth spending the dollars to clean up the site.

I doubt more than 15 or so storeys would be approved. Something 12-15 may work well, with enough bulk to maximize the units.

I think Cannon between York and Wellington has plenty of potential to redevelop into a mid-rise corridor, with renos and expansions of the existing stock.

The city can go taller from Wilson south.

I'm skeptical something that small would be worth it considering the contamination.

Hopefully something is built. The worst outcome would be that lot sitting vacant or used as parking for a long time. Not that it doesn't have plenty of company in that part of town.

Just eyeballing the site on a map it looks similar in size to 220 Cannon, and could probably support a building with a similar footprint.

Edit: It's designated "High Rise 2" (up to 30 storeys allowed) under the downtown secondary plan (map is on page 52 of that PDF; source page on the city's website here). So maybe your speculation would end up being right drpgq.

Construction fencing just went up around this site. Not sure if there's a way to see whether a demo permit has been applied for?

I think it might have been a result of a fire. There are no permits for this site.

They started tearing down the existing building yesterday, it's already pretty much gone. Anyone know of an actual development on the horizon or is it just going to be another parking lot for now?

As far as I can tell there isn't even a FC filed here yet, so nothing official so far.

https://twitter.com/JoeyColeman/stat...FgHTXc9zA&s=19

The partial demolition of 188 Cannon Street East has been done without a permit, reports @CHCHNews.
City Hall has issued a stop work order. We'll see if City Hall actually levies meaningful fines for a change. #yhmcc #HamOnt

Hamilton is clearly the Wild West of the GTHA building market. :rolleyes::haha:
(though if a certain developer with the initials DV owns this, it's just modus operandi)

A Formal Consultation was submitted for 188 Cannon street East:

"To develop a 32-storey mixed-use building, with 146m2 of at-grade retail, and 358 residential units. Includes 142 parking spaces."

I think we can agree the cyan coloring is pretty much the only thing this development has got going for it - but hey, at least they're trying to make cannon st better, and it's just replacing a laundromat..

I wonder what steps they have done for soil remediation on the plot? I hope they have taken that into consideration.

They honestly could just demolish most of cannon st - which is probably what will happen over time.

I wonder how it got the name cannon st..

The design with the cyan is likely outdated and relevant anymore

Soo.. what, we're gonna go back to boring black and white colours? Lol..

I always welcome colour but the only time they seem to plaster it on anything these days is on low income housing complexes through vinyl cladding finishes..

and down the rabbit hole I went. :haha: I actually keep a book on the origins of Hamilton street names, in which Cannon Street is absent. Further, the Wikipedia page calls its origins something of a mystery.

I then thought it could be in reference to the Cannon Street in London, a not-insignificant street in of itself and not impossible for ours to be named for. Wikipedia told me this;

"The area around Cannon Street was initially the place of residence of the candle-makers. The name first appears as Candelwrichstrete (i.e. "Candlewright Street") in 1190.[1] The name was shortened over 60 times[1] as a result of the local cockney dialect and settled on Cannon Street in the 17th century,[2] and is therefore not related to the firearms."

So in short... dunno.

Lol.. yeah I have the same book - I still love thinking it had something to do with cannons hahaha - candles would make more sense though..

I wonder if that story is.. canon.. hehe.. play on words..

I've often wondered if it was named for someone; a surname in this case (as opposed to James, John, Mary, Catharine, etc.). And was it always Cannon St.?

If there's a Cannon family or individual plot in the Hamilton Cemetery, I'd wager there's a link.

I know that's definitely the case for roads running north to south, as they subdivide old farm plots - like the Gages etc. The core city street names are named after royalty - James st, king st queen st duke st king william etc. Other street names with peoples names are named after the children of the original farm plot families. I know one of the such families and all the kids have streets named after them in the city.

but barton street was originally a town.. I did stumble across this:

Cannon Street was originally called Henry Street. The section between Bay and James Streets was called Miles Street. The origins of the Cannon street name remains a mystery for local historians. Cannon Street today at Brian Timmis/ former Ivor Wynne Stadium/ Tim Horton's Field location is also known as Bernie Faloney Way which is named after the quarterback who played for the local CFL team, Hamilton Ti-Cats, between the years of 1957-64.

Height: 100.3m | 32 floors - https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...Xd?usp=sharing

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188 Cannon Street East | ? | 26 fl | Potential Development -> 188 Cannon Street East | 100.3m | 32 fl | Proposed

At that height it will firmly expand the skyline/downtown. Very nice.

Skyline is one thing. Will it look like generic crap is what I wonder. And these massive podiums don't exactly make for a pleasant street-level experience... Most of Cannon St. is already challenged enough in that regard.

They should partner with core urban for the podiums - otherwise its just gonna be as you said, garbage.

these developers don't seem to understand people live here, and prefer to see something nice at street level - no-one IN the city cares what the glassy towers look like from far away if there is literally nothing but endless glass to look at at street level.

I mean what's the point in the end - 90% of those windows then have blinds put in or are frosted so you can't see into them anyways.

You can tell the people who only care what the city looks like from far away vs those actually FROM here who actually WALK through the city and interact with it. Core urbans midrises speak with the street level - these are just cold monoliths.

The #1 thing that would improve the podiums of these buildings is to stop making the first 4-5 floors parking. Design/architecture aside, haven floors 2-5 actually being used by residential units or amenity and retail at ground floor would greatly improve the feel at the pedestrian level.

Easier said than done - we have to remember we built this city, not on rock and roll, but on several underground rivers. It's definitely cheaper to build above ground. Mind you if you have to walk past several huge monolithic podiums just to get to any sort of retail there isn't much incentive to erase parking completely.

But yes, you are correct. But that's the trend now - every giant monolith has to have 2-5 stories of parking.. they try to stick it in the midlde or back and have the front be retail still but.. eh..

I really don't think there's any real harm to parking in a podium. As long as there's good street level interaction underneath with some shops or the like and then have a fairly nice exterior then it doesn't matter what's behind the walls. I don't have x-ray vision to figure out if that's a gym or a garage up there. (One of the nicer podiums in downtown Ottawa is, I think, above ground parking. And I only figured that out by looking at the ramp leading into the building.)

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And THAT is the kind of thing the "design review panel" should focus on.

We just want pretty things lol

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The render looks ok. Based on that, the podium by itself would be a good addition in many places in the city.

Will the end result be the same... always the big roll of the dice.

This will only be good if the brickwork is done similarly to what was done for the mac residence.. otherwise it risks looking like our aged concrete skyscrapers downtown.

Site prep has started. Ground breaking is scheduled for December 2025.

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