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rofina Sep 18, 2015 6:38 PM
The Butterfly | 178.6m | 57Fl | Completed
 
Stumbled upon another gem this morning, this is sure to cause some controversy.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/wp-conten...g-thom-1-1.jpg

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/wp-conten...ing-thom-3.jpg

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/wp-conten...ing-thom-4.jpg

It will sit adjacent to this proposed gem as well:

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/wp-conten...the-park-6.jpg

All I can say is that the future of our skyline is looking better than ever!

All images and additional info can be found here:
http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/09/f...ng-thom-tower/

trofirhen Sep 18, 2015 6:41 PM
Que c'est formidable !!!
 
A real powerhouse design! No half-way measures, and no excesses, either. Hope it gets the green light!!

phesto Sep 18, 2015 6:58 PM
I like it. Hard to tell what material the white part is. It might be nicer if the curved forms were random, instead of simply repeated up the tower.

Hot Rod Sep 18, 2015 7:19 PM
Love it, Love it, LOVE IT!!


Go BIG or GO HOME! This is LIVING this philosophy!

Klazu Sep 18, 2015 7:35 PM
Thanks for finding some higher resolution renderings.

I am still torn about this one. It is for sure different from all the other proposals, but I am getting some 80s Beach Tower vibes from it.

I assume the small dark building is the below market price rental?

excel Sep 18, 2015 7:42 PM
If those two get built that will be awesome!

osirisboy Sep 18, 2015 7:43 PM
Patina is really going to be loosing some good views

red-paladin Sep 18, 2015 8:18 PM
I love this project.

I love that the tubular elements are relate-able to some of the concrete 60s,70s West End towers, yet have that 80s clean, symmetrical sleekness. Then you have the organ pipe cutout elements that are very modern that we've seen in a few recent proposals. I also love how it meets the street. I'm a big fan of the podium-point tower mantra, but it's great to go back to a modernist single element like this, with the cutout twists and the glassed in atrium it stands into. The trees I think may be overdone a bit but I'm not going to complain.

Reminds me a bit of this though, in a good way!

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/...lbum+art+1.jpg
From: http://www.frank151.com/news/dig-dug...et-player.html

trofirhen Sep 18, 2015 8:30 PM
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Îs that a stylized version of Marina City in Chicago, or a new project? Anyway,
this project in Vancouver instantly made me flash on Marina city, built decades back, way ahead of its time in design.

red-paladin Sep 18, 2015 8:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by trofirhen (Post 7169090)
Îs that a stylized version of Marina City in Chicago, or a new project? Anyway,
this project in Vancouver instantly made me flash on Marina city, built decades back, way ahead of its time in design.
Lol, it's the album cover for Chicago's 13th record/cd , referencing Marina City.

trofirhen Sep 18, 2015 9:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by red-paladin (Post 7169100)
Lol, it's the album cover for Chicago's 13th record/cd , referencing Marina City.
oooooooooooops!!!!! :duh :blush: (duuuuuh)

Sheba Sep 18, 2015 9:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rofina (Post 7168963)
Stumbled upon another gem this morning, this is sure to cause some controversy.
I think controversy will be muted by the church being a partner in this and it will include "community amenities in the lower floors; a 70-foot-tall, 8-storey rental building with 75 'below market rate' housing units, for older adults and seniors, owned and managed by the church".

Plus "the tower resembles four abstract organ pipes that slightly overlap on the inner edges. A 'gap' in the core of the building’s envelope reduces the building’s heating and cooling energy usage by 15 per cent and provides open communal spaces for residents in an effort to increase social interaction and reduce isolation." So some LEED like elements to it.

Anyone who objects to it is going to have to come up with something other than 'I don't like the look of it'.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/09/f...ng-thom-tower/

trofirhen Sep 18, 2015 9:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheba (Post 7169169)
I think controversy will be muted by the church being a partner in this and it will include "community amenities in the lower floors; a 70-foot-tall, 8-storey rental building with 75 'below market rate' housing units, for older adults and seniors, owned and managed by the church".

Plus "the tower resembles four abstract organ pipes that slightly overlap on the inner edges. A 'gap' in the core of the building’s envelope reduces the building’s heating and cooling energy usage by 15 per cent and provides open communal spaces for residents in an effort to increase social interaction and reduce isolation." So some LEED like elements to it.

Anyone who objects to it is going to have to come up with something other than 'I don't like the look of it'.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/09/f...ng-thom-tower/
Good!!! Let's get rollin' !!!! :notacrook:

Jebby Sep 19, 2015 12:08 AM
How tall is the proposal?

Klazu Sep 19, 2015 12:09 AM
The story said 550 feet (168 meters). It looks taller by the renderings.

Klazu Sep 19, 2015 12:12 AM
Just curious how the church will accommodate parking for their Sunday masses going forward? I recall the lot having been full always on weekend.

Jebby Sep 19, 2015 12:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Klazu (Post 7169327)
The story said 550 feet (168 meters). It looks taller by the renderings.
Thanks, didn't see the link. I guess i got too distracted by the renders ;)

Jebby Sep 19, 2015 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Klazu (Post 7169330)
Just curious how the church will accommodate parking for their Sunday masses going forward? I recall the lot having been full always on weekend.
It's a Baptist eclesial community, they don't have Mass (and many would probably be offended at calling their Sunday service Mass).

They'll probably have some reserved spaces in the underground parking, probably under the rental building.

Klazu Sep 19, 2015 12:20 AM
I have no idea what a Baptist eclesial community is or entails, but I am sorry if my poor choose of words has offended someone. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I was also thinking they will likely have some public parking under the tower. I recall the Vancouver Sun article mentioning over 300 parking spaces (of course there are also over 300 condos). Surely they have considered it all.

Jebby Sep 19, 2015 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Klazu (Post 7169338)
I have no idea what a Baptist eclesial community is or entails, but if my poor choose of words has offended someone. :rolleyes:
Eclesial community is the Catholic term for religious communities/groups that don't have access to the Sacraments (due to various reasons such as Apostolic Succession and/or differing theology).

A Baptist would probably take offence at their Lord Supper service being called Mass due to the association of the word Mass with the Catholic Sacrament, which most Baptists consider to be a "re-sacrificing" of Christ and therefore sacrilegious.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Klazu (Post 7169338)
Yeah, I was also thinking they will likely have some public parking under the tower. I recall the Vancouver Sun article mentioning over 300 parking spaces (of course there are also over 300 condos). Surely they have considered it all.
There are 295 units in the main tower and 75 units in the rental building. Being that the rental building is for seniors, I doubt they will have assigned parking, so the parking under that building will probably be for church use.

This is obviously just a guess, though...

s211 Sep 19, 2015 5:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jebby (Post 7169335)
It's a Baptist eclesial community, they don't have Mass (and many would probably be offended at calling their Sunday service Mass).

They'll probably have some reserved spaces in the underground parking, probably under the rental building.
They have use of stalls at 808 Nelson, two blocks east.

trofirhen Sep 19, 2015 7:11 PM
Does this project have to be presented to the UDP (where it risks being 'dumbed down')?
If not what is/are possible start date(s)?

Bcasey25raptor Sep 19, 2015 9:22 PM
I like the height and the design but overall to me it feels retro, kind of a "straight outta 80s" design.

I like it but it's not my favourite.

dreambrother808 Sep 19, 2015 9:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by trofirhen (Post 7169908)
Does this project have to be presented to the UDP (where it risks being 'dumbed down')?
If not what is/are possible start date(s)?
It's interesting how many times it's been explained how the UDP works and yet people will still post comments like this.

mcminsen Sep 19, 2015 9:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dreambrother808 (Post 7169997)
It's interesting how many times it's been explained how the UDP works and yet people will still post comments like this.
Some of us may have real problems with memory, not just a case of being lazy or not paying attention. Why not just give a short answer to the question if you can?

dreambrother808 Sep 20, 2015 12:00 AM
Here is a great post from someone better-equipped to explain:

Quote:
Originally Posted by SFUVancouver (Post 7124341)
On the other hand, the original design for the BC Place Casino was pretty horrid and it did not receive UDP support, while the revised (approved) version is arguably pretty good; certainly unlike anything we have in the city. Similarly, the original design for the MNP tower was a banal extruded hexagon and it did not receive support of the UDP. The revised version has been broadly hailed as one of the best in the city.

It's worth repeating that the UDP is not some ossified bloc. It's a constantly changing group of architects, landscape architects, engineers, and reps from the Vancouver City Planning Commission, the development community, and arts community. There is undoubtedly some group-think that occurs - this is impossible to avoid - but it's a caricature to paint the UDP as being forever on the wrong side and actively working to water down design. If one attends their meetings, calls for boldness and greater design development are commonplace. What's frequently ignored on this board are the cost implications of bold design and high quality materials.

Ultimately, the architects and engineers are working within a far more constrained budget than most would suspect and their developer employers' proforma drives design. Not surprisingly, the handful of projects that are working with exceptional budgets tend to end up with highly atypical design. For every few dozen Wall Centre Central Park and Intracorp MC2-type projects, we get a jaw-dropper like Vancouver House or West Pender Place. Those are the building equivalents of super cars. Yes, they're demonstrably better than a Civic, but they're also decoupled from reality and can't be a realistic basis for comparison.

EdinVan Sep 20, 2015 1:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dreambrother808 (Post 7169997)
It's interesting how many times it's been explained how the UDP works and yet people will still post comments like this.
It's interesting how many times it's been explained how civil conversation works and yet people still behave like boors.

osirisboy Sep 20, 2015 2:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcminsen (Post 7170005)
Some of us may have real problems with memory, not just a case of being lazy or not paying attention. Why not just give a short answer to the question if you can?
I'm totally with you on that!! Lol

mcminsen Sep 20, 2015 3:11 AM
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Originally Posted by trofirhen (Post 7169908)
Does this project have to be presented to the UDP (where it risks being 'dumbed down')?
If not what is/are possible start date(s)?

Here's a graphic from heartforthecity.ca, the First Baptist Church's website. They now have the boards from this past Tuesday's pre-application open house posted. In this image, "today" was Tuesday September 15th, 2015.

I'm also curious to see what the UDP might want changed or tweaked, if anything. As for a start date… :shrug: Personally, I would be pleasantly surprised if there was any action on the site within a year from now.




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/3u4biq.jpg
http://www.heartforthecity.ca/?page_id=4888

trofirhen Sep 20, 2015 3:31 AM
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Thank you for that, mcminsen. It's much clearer now. :)

dreambrother808 Sep 20, 2015 11:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EdinVan (Post 7170174)
It's interesting how many times it's been explained how civil conversation works and yet people still behave like boors.
Yes, this was directly targeted at people like you, with facts, nothing more.

But thank you for proving your own point with your post.

red-paladin Sep 21, 2015 5:32 AM
Let's move on from that.

NewWester Sep 21, 2015 8:55 PM
I for one am pleasantly encouraged by this one: it's different in a city that needs some different. I'm also pretty happy by the height: tall enough to stand out a little, but not so tall that it dominates the skyline.

Which, real talk, Shangri-la doesn't get enough credit for being a bit understated: even if it is a little boring from certain angles, it's always tasteful. This one is a bit garish for that much exposure.

trofirhen Sep 21, 2015 9:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NewWester (Post 7171777)
I for one am pleasantly encouraged by this one: it's different in a city that needs some different. I'm also pretty happy by the height: tall enough to stand out a little, but not so tall that it dominates the skyline.

Which, real talk, Shangri-la doesn't get enough credit for being a bit understated: even if it is a little boring from certain angles, it's always tasteful. This one is a bit garish for that much exposure.
I think this one WOULD be garish if done in colours other than black and white. But black and white are
sort of a classic combination, and lend this one a smart elegance .... much better than done in sea green and white, or pink and green.
For me, it has a rather classy look, like an elegant lady wearing a smart black, three-quarter length white gloves, and a string of pearls.

The Corporal Sep 21, 2015 9:54 PM
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Originally Posted by trofirhen (Post 7171788)
I think this one WOULD be garish if done in colours other than black and white. But black and white are
sort of a classic combination, and lend this one a smart elegance .... much better than done in sea green and white, or pink and green.
For me, it has a rather classy look, like an elegant lady wearing a smart black, three-quarter length white gloves, and a string of pearls.
That's one way of looking at it. Apologies for the repost but I still think that this is a closer comparison.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/wp-conten...-3-984x500.jpg

http://www.funwirks.com/Resources/Pr...ebra_Pants.png

trofirhen Sep 21, 2015 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by The Corporal (Post 7171865)
That's one way of looking at it. Apologies for the repost but I still think that this is a closer comparison.


http://pike.com.au/wp-content/upload...2.12.37-pm.png
http://pike.com.au/wp-content/upload...2.12.37-pm.png
Eeeyeeesh !!!! Well, to each his own. "There is no dispute in taste," as the proverb says. (I'd like to know, out of curiosity, how many agree more with my description, or yours)

Hot Rod Sep 23, 2015 6:52 PM
this is bold and this is iconic, fits the Alberni Luxury District.

Get this done and built it tall (no less than 550)!!

Jebby Sep 23, 2015 7:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rod (Post 7174514)
this is bold and this is iconic, fits the Alberni Luxury District.

Get this done and built it tall (no less than 550)!!
This isn't in the Alberni luxury district. It's basically on Burrard almost across from Wall Center.

Pinion Sep 23, 2015 7:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Corporal (Post 7171865)
That's one way of looking at it. Apologies for the repost but I still think that this is a closer comparison.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/wp-conten...-3-984x500.jpg

http://www.funwirks.com/Resources/Pr...ebra_Pants.png
I don't mind the building but now I'm never not going to see this guy's pants when I look at it. :haha:

urbancanadian Sep 23, 2015 10:08 PM
Hey at least it's not Suzhou's Gate to the East (aka the Pants building):

http://cdn3.scmp.com/sites/default/f.../10/21/a01.jpg
http://www.scmp.com/photos/recent/all/1621562

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFile...0/84238158.jpg
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/84238157/

trofirhen Sep 23, 2015 11:37 PM
Whew!!!! Talk about drifting off topic ............ :uhh:

.......... (some days later ........)
Any updates, info, or stats on this one? It's too snazzy to be "back-burnered" right now.

red-paladin Oct 31, 2015 8:10 PM
Koops65 has drawn the building and added it to the diagram section:

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=70372067

trofirhen Oct 31, 2015 10:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by red-paladin (Post 7218415)
Koops65 has drawn the building and added it to the diagram section:

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=70372067
Despite the moderate height of 550' I think this one will be a smart, bold newcomer to the central city.
Additionally, it sits halfway up the Burrard slope, giving it more prominece than it would have down along Georgia.

Klazu Oct 31, 2015 10:31 PM
I didn't realize that Trump will be only fourth tallest in Metro after after Brentwood 2 and Altus complete. Brentwood is going to be seriously tall!

I also like how we are finally starting to see more buoldings with 50+ (numbered) floors.

trofirhen Nov 1, 2015 12:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Klazu (Post 7218518)
I didn't realize that Trump will be only fourth tallest in Metro after after Brentwood 2 and Altus complete. Brentwood is going to be seriously tall!

I also like how we are finally starting to see more buoldings with 50+ (numbered) floors.
... and it's a bit unusual that the tallest buildings in the city are found in suburban town centres, and not in the central city. Vancouver is unique in so many ways.
Perhaps this will encourage the idea of a couple of 60+ buildings downtown, as at Burrard and Georgia, .... Brentwood helps break through that "meniscus" of height-limit mindset.
But back to First Baptist thread before the mods get us; the black and white and the wavy design. Looks chic, graceful, bold and elegant. An eyecatcher, esp coming in over Burrard.

privatejet Jan 23, 2016 2:13 PM
Some updated renderings on Bing Thoms Architect's site:
http://bingthomarchitects.com/app/up.../01/FBC_03.jpg
http://bingthomarchitects.com/app/up...06-768x862.jpg
http://bingthomarchitects.com/app/up...05-768x862.jpg
http://bingthomarchitects.com/app/up...07-768x862.jpg
http://bingthomarchitects.com/app/up...mb-768x481.jpg

trofirhen Jan 23, 2016 2:21 PM
:tup:Mm Yes!! Striking architectural eye candy. Thank you for these.

csbvan Jan 23, 2016 5:12 PM
Wow! Nice, thanks for posting those.

Prometheus Jan 23, 2016 6:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by privatejet (Post 7309952)

Some updated renderings on Bing Thoms Architect's site:

http://bingthomarchitects.com/app/up...mb-768x481.jpg
Thanks for the new renderings.

Since the developer wanted to build the tower 200 feet taller than depicted and create Vancouver's new tallest at 750 feet (but the city threw a wet blanket over that plan even though it would not have violated any of its precious viewcones), I would be curious to see the above rendering with the building at its full height and thus how Vancouver might have looked, if not for the city.

That said, I would also be curious to see the very original design before the developer proposed 750 feet when it learned city policy for heights along Burrard was in play in the form of the upcoming West End Community Plan.

jlousa Jan 23, 2016 6:57 PM
Pretty sure I've corrected you on this before... this one was never designed as a 750ft Building. A previous design was. It was also not expected to get the go ahead as 3 different heights were done right off the bat. The 750ft one was the ask for the moon knowing you won't get it thus making your second proposal seem much more acceptable.
I preferred the previous design at the same height over this one, this one is exciting in its own right.


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