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chris08876 Mar 28, 2015 5:54 PM

NEW YORK | 430 East 58th Street (Sutton 58) | 844 FT | 67 FLOORS
 
Coming soon to the far East side: 200K-square-foot condo building

Assemblage:

https://easternconsolidated.s3.amazo...h%20Street.JPG

Quote:

A tony enclave of Manhattan's Sutton Place has long served as a quiet retreat for the city's upper crust. But the Bauhouse Group is betting that change is afoot.

The firm announced Friday it has acquired a fourth rental property, 426 E. 58th St., and 100,000 square feet of air rights for an undisclosed price, which will allow it to build a 95-unit condo building designed by starchitect Norman Foster's firm along East 58th Street. Bauhouse—which purchased three contiguous buildings for $32 million in January—plans to raze all four of the structures to make way for the new 200,000-square-foot apartment building.

"There hasn't been a true ultra-luxury building (in the neighborhood) since Rosario Candela did One Sutton Place South in 1927," said Joseph Beninati, managing member of the Bauhouse Group, referencing a stately 14-story apartment building between East 56th and East 57th streets.

The firm plans to roll out renderings and specifics on its condo building this spring, before beginning construction over the summer. The development will be in close proximity to midtown's Plaza District, but more importantly, will be just across the river from the forthcoming Cornell Tech campus on Roosevelt Island--accessible by train or cable car.

"What is going to happen (on Roosevelt Island) is a true game changer, and something that will make this neighborhood forever different," said Mr. Beninati.

[...]
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http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...condo-building

chris08876 Mar 28, 2015 11:35 PM

Heres a better shot of the assemblage. I wonder how high they can stretch 95 condos. I'm hoping they can go the way of many other fillers. Ultra-luxury usually in their composition.

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...34.22%20PM.jpg
Credit: Zoe Rosenberg

Crawford Mar 30, 2015 3:01 AM

This building is closer to 300k square feet, including air rights, per the Real Deal.

Given the tiny plot and the likely superluxury design (Norman Foster is designing huge units here) I assume this tower will be very tall and thin. Perhaps a supertall for Sutton Place?

chris08876 Mar 30, 2015 9:47 PM

I hope your right. I was thinking something along the lines of 860 feet, but it is true on the air rights. Could very well be. Another one to the boom would be great.

What they are replacing isn't worth saving anyways. Rather see something spectacular from Mr.Foster like many of his previous designs.

Busy Bee Mar 30, 2015 10:19 PM

How wide are these four lots? Around 100'?

Eidolon Apr 7, 2015 4:54 PM

NEW YORK | 426-432 East 58th Street | +900 FT | FLOORS
 
Luxury Mega-Tower For Sutton Place

http://www.nypress.com/apps/pbcsi.dl...w=550&maxh=500

By Daniel Fitzsimmons
Published Apr 7, 2015
Quote:

Plans have been drawn up for a luxury 900-foot condo tower in Sutton Place, which, if completed as planned, would rank as one of the tallest buildings in Manhattan.

The 268,000-square-foot tower will become the second-tallest on the Upper East Side, behind the in-progress 432 Park Avenue at 1,400 feet, and one of the tallest in the city.


Construction permits have not yet been filed for 426-432 East 58th Street, allowing the massive project to fly mostly under the radar until now. Councilmember Ben Kallos, whose district includes Sutton Place, was only made aware of the project last week, as were members of Community Board 6.

A sales brochure put together by Cushman and Wakefield dubs the project as the “Sutton Place Development,” and notes it is “an ultra-luxury, as of right, ground up, opportunity which will reach over 900 feet tall and feature unparalleled 360 degree views of Midtown, Downtown Brooklyn and Manhattan, Central Park and the East River.”

The 268,000 square feet of buildable space and air rights, which includes 58,000 square feet of inclusionary housing rights, have already been delivered. It’s unclear if the affordable housing will be offered on- or off-site, or how many units of affordable housing will be included. Representatives for The Bauhouse Group, which owns the site, declined to field questions about the Sutton Place Development, but a representative of the company provided a press release to Our Town that said the project will include about 95 units.

chris08876 Apr 7, 2015 5:05 PM

Looks like a potential supertall with the extra air rights. :cheers:

The address being 426-432 East 58th Street.

Eidolon Apr 7, 2015 5:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 6980682)
Looks like a potential supertall with the extra air rights. :cheers:

41 supertalls in NYC that are either Completed, U/C, site prep or in proposal.
:cheers:


Here's how this will fit in with the other developmetns in this region of Manhattan. (Source)
http://www.nypress.com/apps/pbcsi.dl...1&item=1?q=100

NYguy Apr 7, 2015 5:12 PM

Thought there was a thread for this site, probably just getting confused by all the potential development. Either way, keep'em coming New York.

chris08876 Apr 7, 2015 5:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6980694)
Thought there was a thread for this site, probably just getting confused by all the potential development. Either way, keep'em coming New York.

Dam I didn't have my coffee soon enough. We do have a thread for this lol. :haha:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=216374

Zapatan Apr 7, 2015 5:30 PM

Yet another, awesome!

I hope it's not a box like 432 though, some variety would be nice for the area :)

chris08876 Apr 7, 2015 6:04 PM

Epic Rendering


http://virtual-host-discourse.global...f398c9390a.jpg

Crawford Apr 7, 2015 6:17 PM

I like it. Adds to the skyline and streetscape.

But hopefully they get the additional air rights, so that this can be a supertall.

Zapatan Apr 7, 2015 6:24 PM

It's a box but a very well designed box at that :)

I like it

Design-mind Apr 7, 2015 6:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 6980849)
I like it. Adds to the skyline and streetscape.

But hopefully they get the additional air rights, so that this can be a supertall.

From my estimation of this rendering it looks to be just short of a supertall. I count 73 floors.

Crawford Apr 7, 2015 7:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Design-mind (Post 6980910)
From my estimation of this rendering it looks to be just short of a supertall. I count 73 floors.

What does floor count have to do with building height? I mean, isn't that irrelevent in that floor heights are highly variable?

The rendering is for a 900-ft. tower, though they are looking to assemble additional air rights. So it's quite possible the building will eventually be a supertall, but this rendering shows a 900-ft. version.

chris08876 Apr 7, 2015 7:15 PM

Yeah thats the key. The extra right which may push this over the 300m mark. For now, yes, 900 feet, but it could potentially be bigger. This is in a very early stage, so it may change and most likely will following the trend of the other luxury towers. The idea that they are assembling extra properties and getting the most of out the deal is a hint to what may follow.

Onn Apr 7, 2015 8:28 PM

It's great Norman Foster wants to get in on the action, but he has a major proposal for a tower in like most cities in the world. It would nice to bring in new people like Shop and Rafael Vinoly. Its like New York, London, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Toronto, ect...

Crawford Apr 7, 2015 8:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onn (Post 6981096)
It would nice to bring in new people like Shop and Rafael Vinoly.

SHoP and Vinoly are hardly new to NYC. They have had far more impact on the NYC skyline than Foster (at least to this point).

Design-mind Apr 7, 2015 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 6980935)
What does floor count have to do with building height? I mean, isn't that irrelevent in that floor heights are highly variable?

The rendering is for a 900-ft. tower, though they are looking to assemble additional air rights. So it's quite possible the building will eventually be a supertall, but this rendering shows a 900-ft. version.

Floor count has nothing to do with building height but it is a good way to estimate height. Hopefully they are able to amass the additional air rights to push past the 1000ft mark.

hunser Apr 7, 2015 10:39 PM

Quote:

Kallos said he’s opposed to a high-rise luxury residential tower in a residential neighborhood, and will be looking to mobilize the community to push back against the size and scope of the Sutton Place Development.

“The brochure tells the story for us,” said Kallos. “What’s most concerning to me about [the project] is that it’s creating a future where the only people that will have a right to light and air are the people who can afford it.”

Community Board 6 chair Sandro Sherrod told Our Town that the board, like Kallos, was just made aware of what’s being proposed at Sutton Place through constituents. But because the project is as of right, any plans that are filed with the Dept. of Buildings would not come before the board for review.

Kallos reinforced his opposition to the project as proposed and urged constituents to contact local elected officials to voice their concerns. With enough community support, he said, it’s possible to insert a zoning text amendment or height restriction before the developer builds over 50 percent of the base of the building.

“This is our chance, otherwise we will get a super-scraper in a residential neighborhood and we won’t be able to do anything about it,” said Kallos. “This is literally about the one percent having light and air, and the rest not.”

But it’s clear from the sales brochure that the ability to build big is one of the assemblage’s biggest selling points, and that whoever buys the site will likely have plans to build as tall as possible.
I can't even big with ... :hell:

babybackribs2314 Apr 7, 2015 10:52 PM

BS and he is an idiot!

PeterQM Apr 7, 2015 11:13 PM

REVEALED: 900-Foot Norman Foster-Designed Condo Tower Coming to Sutton Place
 
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7727/...0434acb3_h.jpg

Quote:

First spotted by the eagle-eyes at SkyscraperPage, a New York Press article has given us our first look at a potential 900-foot skyscraper reportedly designed by Foster + Partners and developed by the Bauhouse Group. The New York City-based real estate development and investment firm had recently closed on the three-building $32 million rental portfolio in tony Sutton Place at 428-432 East 58th Street. In March, the firm acquired a fourth property at 426 East 58th Street.
To read more.

babybackribs2314 Apr 7, 2015 11:29 PM

Community planning is horrible and this is an excellent primer on why it is ruining cities. It is never positive input, it is only vitriol from people who would be directly affected by projects, and thus they do not want anything to be built. Community input is never to improve the building or make it better, it is to serve the selfish needs of petty individuals.

And it is no coincidence that this is a very rich neighborhood, which makes their cries against the 1% even more stupid. HORRIBLE.

Zapatan Apr 7, 2015 11:42 PM

Holy mother of God NY is going to look (more) insane

yaletown_fella Apr 8, 2015 12:00 AM

I hope the design is changed to something a little more elegant.

NYguy Apr 8, 2015 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterQM (Post 6981317)


I like that render better...


Resized the others for a cleaner view (though the design itself may not be final)...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/159683752/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/159683751/original.jpg

Hudson11 Apr 8, 2015 2:30 AM

what's the one labeled "Baccarat Residences"? Looks like a supertall and Baccarat already built a sizable hotel in Manhattan. Is it the same tower? It's in the cityrealty rendering as well.

NYguy Apr 8, 2015 9:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hudson11 (Post 6981550)
what's the one labeled "Baccarat Residences"? Looks like a supertall and Baccarat already built a sizable hotel in Manhattan. Is it the same tower? It's in the cityrealty rendering as well.

Was probably meant to be something else, unless its an additional Baccarat Residences tower planned (the location shown would be that potential supertall on Broadway). But I see the Tower Verre missing as well.

quantj Apr 8, 2015 1:28 PM

In the coloured render from cityrealty, that's just a 900 foot massing for Vornado's Rizzoli site

UrbanImpact Apr 8, 2015 1:36 PM

Norman Foster buildings usually use spectacular exterior finishes...here's for hoping that would save this if it were to be a box without the cutouts.

NYguy Apr 9, 2015 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quantj (Post 6981914)
In the coloured render from cityrealty, that's just a 900 foot massing for Vornado's Rizzoli site

He's talking about the other rendering.

chris08876 May 13, 2015 9:28 PM

A Conversation With Joseph P. Beninati

Quote:

Q. What’s happening with your other big project, a development that will take place at the site of four low-rise rental buildings on East 58th Street near Sutton Place, which also includes air rights.

A. It’s one of the quietest blocks in New York City, a very leafy block. We’re going to build another condo there, probably between 90 and 100 units. This will be our largest project. We’ll start with studios there.

We’ve had an opportunity to work with Foster & Partners.

Q. When will construction begin on this project?

A. We’ll start the demolition this summer. :)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/re...-beninati.html

NYguy May 14, 2015 1:29 AM

Bring it on.

NYguy May 27, 2015 11:48 PM

http://www.nypress.com/local-news/20...t-sutton-place

Drawing a Line At Sutton Place

BY DANIEL FITZSIMMONS
MAY 26, 2015


Quote:

A proposed development by the Bauhouse Group to build a 900-foot tall residential tower in the historic Sutton Place neighborhood shocked many when it was revealed by Our Town in April. Since then, according to Community Board 6 and Councilmember Ben Kallos, residents who live in the area have joined forces in a plan to stop, or at least limit, the scope of the project.

Bauhouse began years ago to build an assemblage allowing for a 268,000-square-foot tower that would be the one of the tallest in the city and the second-tallest on the Upper East Side, behind the in-progress 1,400-foot 432 Park Avenue. The development includes 58,000 square feet of inclusionary housing rights, and consists of four building lots totaling 80 feet of frontage on East 58th Street between 1st Avenue and Sutton Place.

According to sources with knowledge of the development, Bauhouse is actually looking to unload the parcel to another developer. In response to the proposal, CB6 passed a resolution that could serve to limit how high a buyer can build on Sutton Place.

“The community expressed strong opinions that the proposed construction will ruin the scale and character of their neighborhood,” said CB6 in its resolution, referring to a meeting this month at which more than 100 people voiced their concerns about the project. The board said it invited Bauhouse to the meeting and were told that company was not yet prepared to make a presentation.

The resolution, citing Our Town’s story in April, supports rezoning mid-block areas in CB6’s territory to a lower density than the current R10 zoning allows for, which is the highest residential zoning designation in the city.

It also proposes government action such as a Department of Buildings delay upon receiving an application for approval of plans. Other government action could include a moratorium on super-high towers, according to the resolution.

The board’s position is that the long-term impact of mega-towers on surrounding neighborhoods, which they call a “recent innovation,” cannot be fairly and completely assessed since the technology that made them possible was not around in 1961 when the city’s zoning districts were created. These impacts include those on infrastructure, traffic, parking, waste removal, and fire and ambulance services, according to the board.

“Thus further investigation and study is needed, especially since this development…appears to be as of right,” said the board in its resolution.

When asked to comment on the board’s resolution, a spokesperson for the Bauhouse Group said the company “is aware of the community’s concerns, as laid out by Community Board 6’s resolution. We respect and are open to hearing the viewpoints of community members and we look forward to a productive dialogue.”

Councilmember Kallos said of the three options put forth by the community board, he believes down-zoning midblock areas is the most viable.

“I do support the community call for a moratorium, but that would be completely up to the mayor,” said Kallos. “The ultimate thing we need to look at is contextual zoning for a height cap.”

Kallos said he was struck by the speed at which the community moved to block the Sutton Place development.

“In less than 45 days, from the first publication [about the Sutton Place development], the issue went to the community board land use committee, was heard, voted on, went to the full board for a vote, passed, and has been sent to City Planning,” said Kallos.


The resolution was sent to City Planning on May 15. Kallos said his office and CB6 have already started an environmental assessment study, which would be included in their forthcoming City Planning application to down zone mid-block areas in the district.

“We’re working with the Sutton area community and we’ve already begun starting work on the EAS,” said Kallos, who has been raising awareness about the development and collecting funds from area residents to pay for the study. “Interest in this issue has been tremendous.”

Kallos said just because a development is as of right does not mean the community cannot push back against a project they’re opposed to. A zoning change by City Planning would trump a developer’s right to build as large as they want in an R10 area.

“We are redefining their rights and trying to change the law,” said Kallos.

The plan, said Kallos, is to get the zoning change through the ULURP process before a developer, whoever it may be, breaks ground on the lot.

Whoever buys the development from Bauhouse would still need to file designs with DOB. Once approved, a developer can begin excavating the base, but that can only be done in warmer months. In total, the process could take six months to a year to complete before any ground can be broken.


“We’re moving full steam ahead in a way that hasn’t happened with any of the other mega-towers we’re seeing crop up across the city,” said Kallos. “We have to draw the line when it comes to residential areas. “They’re just going to keep creeping up throughout the city.”

Please...:uhh:


For the record, these supertall towers aren't "creeping up througout the city". They're being built in the highrise environs of certain parts of Manhattan.

hunser May 27, 2015 11:57 PM

Sutton Place is located in ... you got ... Midtown Manhattan. Supertalls und big skyscrapers in Midtown? No way, I'm shocked!! :omg:

chris08876 May 27, 2015 11:58 PM

Quote:

the board’s position is that the long-term impact of mega-towers on surrounding neighborhoods, which they call a “recent innovation,”
:haha:

If recent means 1930 sure. Back in the day, ESB and Chrysler where the mega towers of the era. Times have changed, and the bar has been raised.

antinimby May 28, 2015 12:54 AM

I hope City Planning doesn't listen to these silly NIMBY's and that's really what these people are. Downzoning any part of Manhattan especially one that is in such a prime area of Midtown would be disastrous to the city's already tight housing market and unaffordability.

Manhattan needs more upzonings not downzoning because it is in the best position to absorb the largest number of housing units. It's got the infrastructure and frankly it has the highest demand. Downzoning any part of Manhattan would just spread the unmet housing demand elsewhere in the city and beyond.

scalziand May 28, 2015 3:01 AM

Quote:

These impacts include those on infrastructure, traffic, parking, waste removal, and fire and ambulance services, according to the board.
With the exception of fire fighting, all those impacts are identical regardless of the building massing.

(Willful) Idiots.

antinimby May 28, 2015 12:49 PM

It can be argued that these ultra luxury towers actually reduces the use of those services on a per square foot basis.

Each of the units in these buildings are huge compared to the older buildings they replace and they have less potential occupants. They are also investments or pied-à-terres, so few actually live in them and are usually empty except for a few weeks out of a year.

Someone needs to go to those CB meetings and debunk those NIMBY claims. I nominate Crawford. :)

chris08876 May 30, 2015 1:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antinimby (Post 7041742)
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Manhattan needs more upzonings not downzoning because it is in the best position to absorb the largest number of housing units. It's got the infrastructure and frankly it has the highest demand. Downzoning any part of Manhattan would just spread the unmet housing demand elsewhere in the city and beyond.

Its slowly happening even in areas that seemingly seem lowrise in nature. Barring Midtown and the highrise nodes, areas such as Harlem, Inwood, Washington Heights for example are seeing zoning increases by allowing developers to add "X" amount of floors to a new development. Example being a neighborhood where the average floor count is 6-8. The increase allows for an extra addition of 4 floors to an existing structure or if a new one is proposed, allowing for a 10-12 floor structure to be built.

It could be seen as a win for preservation groups because it will still keep the charm of low rise neighborhoods, but the change allows for more units and a higher density without building a 50 floor tower which would cause an uproar.

With Manhatten, also keep in mind conversions. Lots of old office buildings are being retrofitted with residential units.

Most of the growth though in terms of raw units is Queens and Brooklyn. Thats a given.

I don't think these groups pose a formidable threat. Sometimes its political, and a politician will side with them if its in his or hers district. But just like the shadow people on 57th, its all hot air.

Vertical_Gotham Jul 7, 2015 3:29 PM

http://cdn.cstatic.net/gridnailer/25...er7n-1-web.jpg

Midtown East Residents Decry 90-Story 'Ultra Luxury' Tower
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2015/0...xury_tower.php

Quote:

It looks like Sutton Place will be getting a 900-foot-tall tower after all, much to the chagrin of neighborhood residents who say they were duped into thinking the Bauhouse Group's building wouldn't be taller than 30 stories, much less one of the tallest residential buildings in the city.

According to minutes spotted by NYDN for a December 22 meeting between the developer and residents of the co-op at 434 East 58th Street, who the developer courted for the building's air rights, a Bauhouse rep told the development site's neighbors that the firm was "unsure of the exact height" of the building but the tower would "not be 100 stories." At the time of the meeting, the development group had enough air rights to build a 13-story building. Residents of the old co-op at 434 East 58th Street ended up selling their air rights for $11 million. Although misleading, the rep was true to their word: the tower won't be 100 stories. Bauhouse's plans, accompanied by a new color rendering, call for a 90-story tower on the site of four six-story buildings at 426-432 East 58th Street.

The building's location in an area without height restrictions means the tower can be built as-of-right, or even grow taller.

A pamphlet advertising the building that surfaced in April says the tower will have 95 "ultra-luxury" apartments. It will also create 58,000 square feet of inclusionary housing, although it's unclear whether that will be on or off site. In March, Bauhouse sent out a press release saying that Norman Foster would design the tower, but that claim hasn't gained much traction meaning Foster might have bowed out.

sbarn Jul 7, 2015 4:13 PM

I do not feel sorry for these people. If they didn't want a tower on their street, then they shouldn't have sold the air-rights. Simple as that.

Not to mention the design for this building looks rad. :cheers:

JR Ewing Jul 7, 2015 4:23 PM

Also, they should have memorialized that their sale of air rights was contingent upon the developer limiting the new tower's height to x stories. They are full of it.

scalziand Jul 7, 2015 4:52 PM

I only count about 75 floors in that render, so I think '90 floors' was shorthand for for about 900 feet.

Hamilton Jul 22, 2015 6:54 PM

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2015/0...megatowers.php

Quote:

City Councilman Ben Kallos is adding his voice to the chorus of New Yorkers decrying the enormous megatowers that are popping up all over Midtown, and has announced that he will host a public forum on July 23 to discuss the idea of working on zoning changes that put a height cap on new buildings based on what neighborhood they're in. "If we create a city where every building is 200 stories tall, the only people who will get light are the people on the top floor," the councilman said. "Everyone else would live in the shadow of the rest." In particular, Kallos wants to limit the height of the Bauhouse Group's planned 426-432 East 58th Street, which is located in the Sutton Place neighborhood that he represents, and which the neighbors have already come out against.

chris08876 Jul 22, 2015 8:55 PM

:cheers:

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...er7n-1-web.jpg

WIGGLEWORTH Jul 23, 2015 7:11 PM

I sorta wish this could just be built now with something similar to the currently teaser design.

chris08876 Jul 23, 2015 8:34 PM

This tower really seems to rattle those NIMBYS. :koko:

They will definitely be trippin' once this is rising.

artspook Jul 24, 2015 6:02 AM

There were trees at various heights on a new office building . .
It was built in the West 40s around about the late 80s . .
It was a brilliant idea until ALL the trees died . . .
and they just stood there for years - BROWN ! . . .
decorating the building with their testament of neglect . . .
I'm not saying that this will happen on this residential building . . .
I'm just saying . . .


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