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thmx Feb 27, 2013 5:31 PM

Suburban Communities: Proposed/Approved/Under Construction
 
Hamilton has a bunch of new suburban communities proposed, approved, and under construction. Instead of having a thread for each individual new suburb, all of the site plans and construction updates can be posted here.

thmx Feb 27, 2013 5:39 PM

Victory by Empire Communities
 
empirevictory.com

http://i54.tinypic.com/2h6501d.jpg
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thmx Feb 27, 2013 5:50 PM

Paramount at Valley Park by Branthaven Homes
 
branthaven.com

http://www.branthaven.com/wp-content...LAN_090712.jpg
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thmx Feb 27, 2013 6:07 PM

Penny Lane Estates by Landmart Homes
 
landmarthomes.com

http://i54.tinypic.com/309luue.jpg
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Dr Awesomesauce Feb 28, 2013 1:09 AM

I feel sad now...

palace1 Feb 28, 2013 4:42 PM

Not sure if this street name on the Penny Lane plan is a joke or a spelling mistake?
Weathering Heights

drpgq Feb 28, 2013 9:17 PM

I like that their symbol is a bus. I'm guessing the public transport is going to suck pretty hard up there.

Jon Dalton Feb 28, 2013 9:50 PM

Suburban tracts always have such ironic names.

thistleclub Feb 28, 2013 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by drpgq (Post 6033318)
I like that their symbol is a bus. I'm guessing the public transport is going to suck pretty hard up there.

Not great frequency, but that's true of the mountain in general. Penny Lane appears to be sandwiched between Stonechurch and Rymal lines, with connections to downtown Burlington via the Parkdale, which loops at "Meadowlands East." Not loads in the way of super-walkable amenities in the immediate vicinity, at least compared to downtown. PL is wedged between Saltfleet District HS and Satellite Golf, a five-minute bike-ride from the Elfrida LCBO/Beer Store and a 10-minute bike ride from generic fare like Silvercity, Indigo/Starbucks, Booster Juice, Kelsey's/Milestones, etc as well as sui generis entries like the Starlite Drive-in or the Eramosa Karst CA. I guess you could do worse.

Dr Awesomesauce Mar 1, 2013 9:07 AM

'Weathering heights.'

That's what we're dealing with here - complete knobs.

Though, when I think of it, perhaps it's an apt name. After a decade those cardboard boxes will be well weathered.

thmx Sep 25, 2014 6:02 PM

Construction update of Lush at Victory in Stoney Creek. (Labelled "WATERSIDE" on the site plan below)...

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More:

thmx Jun 22, 2015 2:55 PM

Waves - Stoney Creek

- Located at 528 Jones Road
- site plan pdf.

http://i.imgur.com/ClljJrg.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/IoJzk2G.jpg
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Some Renderings:
http://i.imgur.com/ahWswKk.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/Vp44rBb.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/Clmgeny.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/Zlsszso.jpg
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chellelin Sep 11, 2015 3:23 AM

Anyone know anything about the Losani Highland development (south of Highland Rd east of the new Red hill extension) that's in the pre-construction phase? Like start times, any problems or delays due to landscape features or anything else??

thmx Sep 11, 2015 3:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chellelin (Post 7159865)
Anyone know anything about the Losani Highland development (south of Highland Rd east of the new Red hill extension) that's in the pre-construction phase? Like start times, any problems or delays due to landscape features or anything else??

I don't know anything about that, but you could keep checking buzzbuzzhome.com. They keep all the developments in the area pretty up to date. I think the one you're talking about is on there (buzzbuzzhome.com/central-park), but there isn't any info yet.

chellelin Sep 11, 2015 3:52 PM

Thanks thomax.

masterwhite Sep 20, 2015 1:49 AM

This is epic, finally someone is trying to build modern homes on this scale instead of one off

king10 Sep 20, 2015 11:54 AM

Love the modern homes as part of an entire subdivision.

thmx Sep 26, 2015 11:39 PM

Here's a video tour of Victory from July.

Video Link



Google Maps was updated and you can now see some of the new streets in Victory...
http://i.imgur.com/7EgqtZY.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/ReF3Bp2.jpg
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You can also see Paramount at Valley Park on Google Maps now...
http://i.imgur.com/2jsqXQE.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/hMdcy9j.jpg
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king10 Sep 27, 2015 4:23 AM

Also interesting is you can see the old speedway in the farmers field at the northeast corner of mud and hwy 20

thmx Oct 29, 2015 1:02 AM

I drove up the Centennial Parkway mountain access today, for the first time in a couple of months, and I noticed another new subdivision under construction. I had a look and found the site plan...

http://i.imgur.com/6sQTtxG.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/Cw3O0hW.jpg
Google Maps

http://i.imgur.com/POCbKyN.jpg
Google Maps


Website: http://zeinahomes.ca/east-hamilton/

thmx Nov 14, 2015 2:53 AM

Prairie Modern

Website: losanihomes.com/prairiemodern

Video Link


http://i.imgur.com/L1fi0kp.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/dZPYQNg.jpg
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King&James Nov 15, 2015 1:35 AM

Ancaster Meadowlands "old" Target store now fenced in at entry with 4-5 industrial garbage bins placed . Hopefully signs that there is a new tenant or multiple users signed .

thmx Dec 7, 2015 4:10 PM

Some new photos of Prairie Modern...

http://i.imgur.com/Yg41F4g.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/LxZ9dLO.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/433pF5x.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/Z7rwPaJ.jpg
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thmx Dec 7, 2015 4:26 PM

Fallingwaters

- losanihomes.com/fallingwaters

- buzzbuzzhome.com/fallingwaters

http://i.imgur.com/woUjYWV.jpg
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Beedok Feb 10, 2016 5:25 PM

These are actually mostly less depressing than I expected.

thmx Mar 1, 2016 6:12 PM

#StarryNight // West Coast inspired #townhomes coming soon to #Hamilton!! #RealEstate #Architecture #Development #Design

http://i.imgur.com/cLORKR8.jpg?1
Marquee on the Mountain Rendering by danshaoc, on Instagram

mattgrande Mar 1, 2016 6:21 PM

Are those driveways made of marble?

fuller Mar 1, 2016 7:03 PM

^Looks like. And the road, freshly-polished terrazzo.

With all those stars, this must be very far from the city, or perhaps on a planet with no atmosphere. :D

It's nice to see some builders are daring to step away from the faux traditional, and beginning to test the demand for more modern styles.

Now that we're in the post-post-modern era, or whatever era this is, we finally see some modern designs offered for houses too.

thmx Oct 2, 2016 7:03 PM

Site plan for Losani Homes recently approved Central Park...

Video Link

thmx Nov 15, 2016 10:09 PM

Here's an aerial view of the suburban developments being built along Centennial and Upper Centennial Parkway in Stoney Creek...

http://i.imgur.com/5YgJX32.jpg
Stoney Creek Aerial | 11/14/2016 by cyhmpilot, on Instagram

thmx Nov 22, 2017 10:38 PM

New renderings of MYST Urban Towns, by Homes By DeSantis. They'll be built at the north end of Fruitland Road, in Stoney Creek...

https://i.imgur.com/lL3Ha3B.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/UNdX9eB.jpg
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Video Link


Info: homesbydesantis.com/myst-urban-towns-coming-stoney-creek-waterfront-grand-opening

thmx Dec 7, 2017 6:44 PM

Construction update...
https://i.imgur.com/CySUtBY.jpg
my photo

LRTfan Dec 7, 2017 11:12 PM

And the multi-decade streak of suburban communities looking WAY better in renders than real life continues.....

bigguy1231 Dec 8, 2017 3:33 AM

This might be appropriate in this thread.

https://www.hamiltonnews.com/news-st...all-new-city-/

ScreamingViking Dec 8, 2017 6:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LRTfan (Post 8012013)
And the multi-decade streak of suburban communities looking WAY better in renders than real life continues.....

You give the render WAY too much credit.

Were it prairie, or modern... uh, never mind. ;)

ScreamingViking Dec 8, 2017 6:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bigguy1231 (Post 8012251)
This might be appropriate in this thread.

https://www.hamiltonnews.com/news-st...all-new-city-/

Satellite City's very own gigantic satellite.

drpgq Dec 8, 2017 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigguy1231 (Post 8012251)
This might be appropriate in this thread.

https://www.hamiltonnews.com/news-st...all-new-city-/

I like how they're talking transit. Didn't Binbrook already vote to drop their limited transit scheme?

bigguy1231 Dec 8, 2017 6:37 PM

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Originally Posted by drpgq (Post 8012475)
I like how they're talking transit. Didn't Binbrook already vote to drop their limited transit scheme?

If you look at the future LRT plans the line that goes down Rymal would go to the heart of this development. Binbrook is probably 10kms South of this area.

LRTfan Dec 9, 2017 1:01 AM

we can't build a 40 storey residential building in the middle of the downtown core, but we can keep doing crap like this.... the Hammer..... sigh

bigguy1231 Dec 9, 2017 7:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LRTfan (Post 8013386)
we can't build a 40 storey residential building in the middle of the downtown core, but we can keep doing crap like this.... the Hammer..... sigh

They are doing crap like this because that's what people want. If there wasn't a demand then it wouldn't be built.

LRTfan Dec 9, 2017 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bigguy1231 (Post 8013572)
They are doing crap like this because that's what people want. If there wasn't a demand then it wouldn't be built.


Sorry, that argument died years ago.
People want condos, yet that's not stopping NIMBY groups from opposing them.
Compare the sale price per sq foot in walkable urban hoods vs. sprawl hoods and you'll see what people actually want.

No 1980's sprawl development should ever be built again. All new greenfields should mimic Westdale Village or Downtown Dundas. Cities all over N America are building new suburbs like this. Hamilton is one of the last ones to cling to this sprawled out mess with 100% car dependancy and big box stores.
I'm all for new developments, but with improvements to design that are commonplace elsewhere.

If NIMBY groups are looking for a cause, they should focus on these car-dependent developments, not urban condo projects.

LRTfan Dec 9, 2017 3:03 PM

Here's a brand new suburban greenfield project in Vaughan, ON

http://urbantoronto.ca/sites/default...7471-95555.jpg

Here's a brand new 'downtown' being built in Markham:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/editorialhu...ro-960x540.jpg

Urban style 'suburb' built way back in the 1990's in Portland, Oregon:

http://www.urbanindy.com/wp-content/.../orenco_lg.jpg


New developments are needed and welcome in Hamilton....but the lowest common denominator is 1980's sprawl. People want mixed-use, walkability etc......

thmx Dec 9, 2017 3:51 PM

Here's the three concept plans for the site...


Concept 1:

https://i.imgur.com/GQDBmjs.jpg
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Within the context of existing and planned development:


Concept 2:

https://i.imgur.com/tntgBSO.jpg
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Within the context of existing and planned development:


Concept 3:

https://i.imgur.com/fe6GCIx.jpg
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Within the context of existing and planned development:



More Info: www.hamilton.ca/city-planning/planning-community/elfrida-growth-area-study




My preference is Concept 3, it has the potential for three new Westdale style neighborhoods. If they add the commercial/mixed-use central node from Concept 2, it'd be near perfect.

LRTfan Dec 9, 2017 6:47 PM

these always look good on a map, but the reality in Hamilton ends up being like Upper Stoney Creek or the Meadowlands. It's all our staff know.

I believe that every residential purchase in developments like this needs to have a clause included where the home-buyer understands that future complaining about how long their commute is, or how slow traffic has become will be ignored by the city. They're choosing to live far away from everything in a development designed to force multiple cars per home.

bigguy1231 Dec 9, 2017 8:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LRTfan (Post 8013682)
Sorry, that argument died years ago.
People want condos, yet that's not stopping NIMBY groups from opposing them.
Compare the sale price per sq foot in walkable urban hoods vs. sprawl hoods and you'll see what people actually want.

No 1980's sprawl development should ever be built again. All new greenfields should mimic Westdale Village or Downtown Dundas. Cities all over N America are building new suburbs like this. Hamilton is one of the last ones to cling to this sprawled out mess with 100% car dependancy and big box stores.
I'm all for new developments, but with improvements to design that are commonplace elsewhere.

If NIMBY groups are looking for a cause, they should focus on these car-dependent developments, not urban condo projects.

You keep telling yourself that. In the meantime all of these greenfield developments are selling out and new ones are being planned. You are simply projecting what you want, not what the average person wants.

LRTfan Dec 9, 2017 9:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigguy1231 (Post 8013956)
You keep telling yourself that. In the meantime all of these greenfield developments are selling out and new ones are being planned. You are simply projecting what you want, not what the average person wants.


Umm, I'm not telling myself anything. Numbers don't lie.
People pay more to live in a walkable hood. And there is zero reason to not build walkable hoods on greenfield developments.
Anything built, whether designed properly or designed like it's 1980 will sell. We have a massive housing shortage in this city.
Walkable communities served with great transit and cycling options save the taxpayers TONS of money annually compared with Upper Stoney Creek/Meadowlands/Waterdown style developments.
All taxpayers who want to complain about their tax rates have a duty to be vocal about the way in which our city develops.

30 years ago a developer could argue that people didn't want urban style housing, thus they built winding cul-de-sacs with 3 car garages.
In 2017 they know that people want an urban vibe even in their suburban developments. The only reason we don't see complete communities built in our suburbs is because city hall's zoning code was largely written in the 1950's.
And it's one of the main reasons our city is broke and digging deeper holes every year.
I'd be fine with 75 storey towers downtown and 100's of thousands of new housing units on greenfield lands but only if designed properly and not car-dependant.

bigguy1231 Dec 10, 2017 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LRTfan (Post 8014016)
Umm, I'm not telling myself anything. Numbers don't lie.
People pay more to live in a walkable hood. And there is zero reason to not build walkable hoods on greenfield developments.
Anything built, whether designed properly or designed like it's 1980 will sell. We have a massive housing shortage in this city.
Walkable communities served with great transit and cycling options save the taxpayers TONS of money annually compared with Upper Stoney Creek/Meadowlands/Waterdown style developments.
All taxpayers who want to complain about their tax rates have a duty to be vocal about the way in which our city develops.

30 years ago a developer could argue that people didn't want urban style housing, thus they built winding cul-de-sacs with 3 car garages.
In 2017 they know that people want an urban vibe even in their suburban developments. The only reason we don't see complete communities built in our suburbs is because city hall's zoning code was largely written in the 1950's.
And it's one of the main reasons our city is broke and digging deeper holes every year.
I'd be fine with 75 storey towers downtown and 100's of thousands of new housing units on greenfield lands but only if designed properly and not car-dependant.

I am not saying we shouldn't have urban development, I am all for it. But we also need a variety of housing for people to choose from. Where I live on the mountain I have everything I need within walking distance and I walk to do much of my shopping. I like being able to do so.

As for those new developments in the area we are talking about, Elfrida have you actually seen those new developments. Most are townhouses with 1 car driveways or large single family homes on postage stamp sized lots with single car driveways. There are bike lanes and sidewalks with lower speed limits on the roads. There are a lot of people in a fairly small area. It is not your typical suburban area. Transit may not have caught up with development yet but they have and are upgrading the arterial roads, namely Rymal which is being urbanized.

LRTfan Dec 10, 2017 8:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigguy1231 (Post 8014125)
I am not saying we shouldn't have urban development, I am all for it. But we also need a variety of housing for people to choose from. Where I live on the mountain I have everything I need within walking distance and I walk to do much of my shopping. I like being able to do so.

As for those new developments in the area we are talking about, Elfrida have you actually seen those new developments. Most are townhouses with 1 car driveways or large single family homes on postage stamp sized lots with single car driveways. There are bike lanes and sidewalks with lower speed limits on the roads. There are a lot of people in a fairly small area. It is not your typical suburban area. Transit may not have caught up with development yet but they have and are upgrading the arterial roads, namely Rymal which is being urbanized.

Totally agree. There are buyers out there for all housing types. Someone should inform the elites in Durand about this fact.

The description of your neighbourhood is what we need to be building in new suburbs, except with more robust neighbourhood retail districts like Westdale, Locke, Ottawa St, Concession etc..... Folks want to walk and cycle, but won't if it's not safe or convenient. Less car dependancy, the better for us all.

Innsertnamehere Dec 10, 2017 9:01 PM

what the market wants is grade related housing - townhouses and detached. Detached especially. It isn't as picky in what form that comes. The problem is that developers build what they have always built - crappy suburban stuff. They need to change the game and build houses in a way that supports a more urban lifestyle. There is a bit of blame to go around - developers for doing the same product they ever have, zoning for being outdated, and buyers for demanding a product that doesn't exactly line up with urbanists dreams.

thmx Dec 21, 2017 2:07 AM

Construction Update, viewed from Centennial Parkway...
https://i.imgur.com/rbSpVNk.jpg
my photo

https://i.imgur.com/0Pb2pHq.jpg
my photo

https://i.imgur.com/W2RcXTZ.jpg
my photo


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