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Global Transportation Hub (Regina)
I see WPG has their own thread so too should Regina.
This has grown beyond the CPR Intermodal facility... Very exciting future for Regina..the spinoffs from the new development is quite staggering..Once you have something of the scale of Loblaws, other companies will put Regina on the short list..I am not sure how much land the City has secured from the RM of Sherwood, but i hope its more then the 3200 acres that was said to be needed. [update]....Originally, the city applied to the RM for six areas of land -- three were approved and three were denied. The city began negotiating with the RM for Area E and F. "The reason why we needed decisions made on these two (areas) is because they directly effect the Global Transportation Hub," said Fiacco. "We will continue to negotiate in good faith on the third parcel of land." Jan 30th,2009 some links regarding the GTH. Saskatchewan's Global Transportation Hub. (Government site) Regina growth, also click avison young outlook More cash for growing transport facility please post anything else you have... |
I wonder if any plans are in place to improve access to the airport for the transportation hub. I used to work at the airport and when I was late would cut in the back down 13th ave which is all gravel road. I may be thinking way to far ahead here but maybe an alternate access other than Regina ave for transport vehicles may be an idea.
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So basically there will be three hubs: Edmonton, Regina and Winnipeg. Each having the same level of importance as the other.
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I dont think Regina Ave access will be all that practical..Pinkie Road will be the best for truckers. With Harbor Landing in the SW i think the city will discourage heavy truck traffic on the Lewvan as the retail environment grows I believe Sandra Schmirler Way off 13th Ave would offer an excellent route for cargo traffic to and from the airport, as it is already there... When you look at Google Earth there is a large area that could be accomodated for future air cargo facilities...a taxi way could easily come off the main runway to cargowarehouses/unloading facilities in the vacant area i refer to. (assume airport owns it) .... original announcement July 29/08 Loblaw announces plans to build a distribution centre Leader-Post Published: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 REGINA -- Regina's dream of becoming a "global transportation hub" took another step closer to reality as Loblaw Companies Ltd. announced plans Tuesday to build a $200-million distribution centre about five km west of the city. The 500,000-square-foot building is the first phase of a one-million-square-foot, $350-million warehouse and distribution facility Loblaw plans to build on the site. The distribution centre is expected to employ 750 people within two years and as many as 1,500 by 2017, Loblaw officials said. Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall stands in a canola field approximately 8 kilometers west of the Lewvan turnoff on Dewdney avenue where Loblaws, Canada's largest food distributor, will build a distribution facility. Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall stands in a canola field approximately 8 kilometers west of the Lewvan turnoff on Dewdney avenue where Loblaws, Canada's largest food distributor, will build a distribution facility. Premier Brad Wall said the announcement marks the beginning of the development of "one of Western Canada's most significant transportation and logistics facilities." "Right now, all you can see behind us is a beautiful field of canola,'' Wall told a news conference Wednesday. "Two years from now, there will be half-a-million square foot building -- equivalent to five-and-a-half football fields. It will be the precursor to ... a one-million-square-foot facility.'' The Loblaw announcement comes hard on the heels of confirmation earlier this month that Canadian Pacific is proceeding with an intermodal facility (IMF) west of the city. The IMF is part of a $93-million infrastructure project, which received $27 million from the federal government in December. The infrastructure project includes upgrading of Pinkie Road to connect the Trans-Canada Highway and Highway 11 and improving connections to the City of Regina road network. Jane Marshall, executive vice-president of real estate for Loblaw Companies, said Loblaw chose to build the distribution centre in Regina for several reasons. "Loblaw Companies is Canada's largest food distributor. We have 50 million square feet of retail space across the county; 15 million of that retail space is located in Western Canada,'' she said. Loblaw is currently "revitalizing" its retail store line-up, including sprucing up its Real Canadian Superstore locations and converting many of its Extra Foods locations into discount No Frills stores, Marshall said. "This facility will serve those stores, primarily in Saskatchewan and Manitoba in the first phase. But, as we construct the balance of the facility (to) just under one million square feet, it will serve all of our stores in Western Canada.'' Being CP's largest customer, Loblaw also wanted to be close to the intermodal facility, which would help Loblaw "optimize our service levels to our stores" and "minimize our environmental impact," she said. Peter McMahon, executive vice-president of supply chain and information technology for Loblaw, agreed Regina was the "ideal location" for the distribution centre, especially after the announcement of CP's intermodal facility "It really helps us with our strategy in transport of taking more and more product off the road, (dealing) with the escalating price of fuel ... and dealing with the environment impact.'' Initially, the facility will hire 500 employees in its first year of operation. But McMahon said the distribution centre will "very quickly'' expand to one million square feet and distribute about three million cases of product per week. "It's a big deal. It's a lot of trucks. It's a lot of volume going out of the distribution centre.'' With an estimated 1,400 trucks per week using the facility, road and highways in the area will have to be upgraded to accommodate the additional traffic. John Law, deputy minister of Highways and Infrastructure, said the province will be responsible for "basic transportation infrastructure," including upgrading roads and highways serving the intermodal facility and distribution centre, which will cost around $45 million. Mayor Pat Fiacco said the Loblaw distribution centre is the first of many similar projects that will be located close to CP's intermodal facility. "Eventually," Fiacco said, "we will see more warehouses, distribution centres, ... services and retail operations, all in an area much larger than Regina's current industrial park.'' Fiacco said the development is part of a longer-term plan to turn Regina into a global distribution hub. "The site will serve as an inland port ... where goods will move by road and rail. Easy access to the airport provides another means to ship goods around the world. "Regina will become a central transportation hub." Larry Hiles, president and CEO of Regina Regional Economic Development Authority, said securing Loblaw as an anchor tenant provides the critical mass the intermodal facility-transportation hub needs to get off the ground "This is a $200-million investment, We will easily see over a $1 billion (invested in the area) by the time we're half built out'' in five or six years, Hiles said. While initially used for distribution and warehousing, Hiles said assembly and manufacturing operations will locate in the area, which is three times the size of Ross Industrial Park. "The companies that want to get into those areas want to be near where the distribution hubs are. We see this happening in stages, this (Loblaw announcement) being the first positive step.'' |
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Mayor Katz 2009 State of the City Address. |
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Winnipeg and Edmonton are better suited over Regina, hands down. |
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It will be massive .. it was mentioned in the federal budget, with very significant federal dollars and was proclaimed the highest priority by the province. With that said the city and Mayor Katz has fully endorced and signed off on Centreport development plan last year. This thing will be moving ahead full steam this year, with hundreds of millions of dollars in development occuring. With the recent annoucements made in the federal budget Winnipeg will be the major inland port. |
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according to the map Regina mayhave the USA advantage as well as the Port of Churchill, Duluth Minnesota is only a few hours further then transit from WPG. It looks like Winnipeg has no direct rail to Chicago?? ..I say Regina is the smart choice for "THE" Hub...(my mistake..i see WPG rail is routed east towards Duluth then Chicago)....... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b/Class1rr.png |
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Side note: Lived in Regina 21 years... now in alberta for my job for the last couple years :( ...... Used to spend alot of time in Winnipeg and I'd take Winnipeg over anywhere in alberta anyday :) |
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I agree .. I don't want a competetion on here either.. I wish Regina all the best. The more efficient goods can get from A to B the better off it will be for everyone. To answer your questions though ... Winnipeg is already the busiest air cargo hub in the nation and the handles the 5th most cargo by wieght .... it also already has the largest rail infrastructure in Western Canada... and is on a major distribution corridor, which will be seeing alot of upgrades in the coming year. So far there is around of 500 million of infrastructure developments ready to go, not including the big developments already underconstruction at the James Armstrong Richardson International. Once the infrastructure is in place (phase one will be ready to go by the end of 09) I can assure you many of the major cargo distributors would either further develop there opporations in the city, or for those not already located in Winnipeg in any meaningful way will look to locate in this new port. While Winnipeg has more than its share of grocery store warehouses, including a sizable Loblaws Distribution Centre (no big deal), the Centreport Canada will be mainly made up of general cargo facilities, and large levels of transportation infrastructure and manufacturing facilities. Centreport is going up in response to demand. Like I said I wish Regina the best in there new hub facility. I don't see one hurting the other at this point. |
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each city has its own advantage and will have its purpos
anyhow... http://www.winnipeginlandport.ca/inland%20ports.jpg |
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Also note there was a recent annoucement to upgrade a Class 2 rail line ( Keewatin railway) to a Class 1 running along western Manitoba. |
It seems this will be a huge wait and see situation. I am excited to see what happens with Regina and Winnipeg... yay Saskatchewan and Manitoba, it is our time now.
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As far as I have read or heard the CP container facility in downtown Regina is being moved West of the city, but the actual railline is staying put, yet 2 people from Regina have told me that they are planning on re-routing the railline around the city and out of downtown as well. Is there talk of that happening? I recall when I lived in Regina many years ago the talk of rail relocation but never amounted to anything. Is that what they are referring to? I can't see the lines going anywhere in the near future. It would cost a bundle.
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Personaly, I feel that this project is a disaster waiting to happen, a white elephant. This is because just about every major community along a rail line or major highway in Western Canada believes that an Inland Port is going to be their saviour. When in fact the ones that have been developed in Canada, like Prince George, have not come close to the development that was intially predicated. Regina has been sold an empty basket of goods and has fallen for it.
Reminds me of the Simpson's monorail episode. |
theres more then just a inland port happening its a hub for the provinces for goods going in and out and will help crea jobs in the local economys
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There is alot of hype around this project and experience tells me that, when something is hyped; it usually is a dud. Take NEW Coke for one of many many many flops. We just need to fully aware of all the possibilities, good and bad. |
^true very true but without hype things can also flop
and hype too soon can bankrupte as in the case of the osborn 2 |
Hmmm, interesting topic. Below is a current map from the North American Supercorridor Coalition (NASCO) site which shows the 4 major North-South economic corridors (Pacific, Canamex, Mid-Cont and Eastern Seaboard) and the west > east corridors (Asia-Pacific Gateway) originating from the two BC ports and SeaTac, that NASCO is promoting the development of, and lobbying for.
Keep in mind the US also has other established east-west corridors, particulalry from Long Beach,CA. Note the blue cities are the major sea/river ports. The red cities are the major Inland Ports and are members off the North American Inland Ports Network (NAIPN) - which NASCO founded in 2003. Note that Winnipeg is the only major Canadian Inland Port being promoted at this time by NASCO/NAIPN. http://i42.tinypic.com/22ar0n.jpg |
Centre Port Canada is going to be huge. :yes:
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o hey thunderbay is being tied into it
anyhow it pass's by regina and having accces to the coridoor is why they are building their inand port rather then having it pass through it and be able to have acces to the inferstructure going in |
Does anyone know if Regina will gain NASCO Port status?
That map shows the link to Thunder Bay from Iowa, but of course it is directly linked to Winnipeg as well. |
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Regina is already a compact city and its bursting at the seams The CPR relocation and the Loblaws distribution center for western Canada are already the major anchors for the new GTH. but the Simpson's comparison is food for thought when it comes too many new ideas. The container traffic into and out of southern Saskatchewan would surprise people....Regina is ready to play spoiler when it comes to other cities inland ports. I dont think Regina will become an "Ogdenville"..nor will Winnipegs become a ""Springfield".....in the end they may compliment each others...but i do love competition. |
they'll feed off each other witch will help both provinces and cities
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The problem with the new inland port in Prince George since its opening was that COSCO the main shipper out of Prince Rupert would not supply containers to the Prince George inland port due to the fact that they could make more money by sending back empty containers to china and get a faster turn around on the available containers. So eventhough there was a port here in prince george all containers had to be shipped south to Vancouver to get reasonable shipping rates.
Now that the economy has tanked the amount of goods that will be shipped out of prince george will increase due to the availability of containers. Also part of the inland port proposal here in Prince George is the creation of an air cargo logistics and servicing park. Construction is to begin this year on the first phase of the park and a major arterial road to service it. Prince George now has the third longest runway in Canada and is poised to compete with anchorage and vancouver for re-fuelling and cargo handling as the airport here has no operating restrictions, can accomodate fully loaded A380's and will have no intital congestion and fast turn around times. Allready there have been a few local businesses that have been able to expand simply because they have access to markets. |
As long as the projects are phased correctly so you don't spend too much money without payoff then why not! The only problem Regina has it is even more geographically isolated than Calgary or Winnipeg (its competitors on the CPR) so its distribution foot print might be a little smaller than others.
These things are big job generators, Wal-Mart's Calgary cross docks employ 1000 people directly, and that is without counting truck drivers and the intermodal workers. Same with Canadian Tire's facility of similar size (1,000,000 square feet). In all more than 60,000 people in Calgary are employed in non-petroleum distribution and logistics according to our Economic Authority. Who wouldn't want a piece of the pie! |
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Lets consider politics..Ideological polarization is getting stronger then ever before.......Saskatchewan may never have an NDP government again...We have turned the corner here and I believe right of center governments are here to stay, like our neighbour Alberta. Manitoba i assume is still strong NDP and will remain so...The Sask Party here are not exactly fans of organized Labor..and believe me that is an understatement! plus Mayor Pat is a strong Conservative . |
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Secondly, it's time to vote out the Conservatives, at least at the federal level. Thirteen Conservative MPs have done and continue to do less than Goodale. Well that's not true, they continue to break promises.... |
in my opinion parties are just a name and mean nothing its whos running them and what path they take them that matters
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http://www.loblaw.ca/en/empl_lcl_distribution.html Winnipeg is the largest inland distribution centre in Western Canada period.. and it is not so much focusing on more local retail distribution, which is already a major part of the local transportation fabric of the city. It is more about an efficient inland port with manufacturing added value connected to the major transportation corridor. Well over a billion dollars of infrastructure is in process of being implimented or will be developed over the next couple years to enhance Winnipeg's status as a major inland port. I don't see Regina and Winnipeg really competing at all. |
^ Can you think of one product that needs value added manufacturing that it wouldn't make sense to add that at the point of origin instead, or at the final destination?
These centres are a mix of transhipment and industrial park land. The industrial parks won't be taking things off the rails, changing something, and then putting them back on the rails. If that was the case, why does it make sense to do that in Winnipeg rather than in China? The industrial park land will be for more local industries, to provide local markets. I would bet 95% on the industrial space users will not use the port like you described. I am not saying transhipment and industrial parks are bad. Far from it. I am just saying that if it made sense to do where are the announcements? (from people other than government, or existing companies just relocating operations to the 'Port') |
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Regina = Loblaws consolidation. phase 1 of the Regina Loblaws Distribution Center will service Manitoba and Saskatchewan. Phase 2 of the Loblaws Distribution Center will service all of western Canada Saskatoons is closing...I question the future of the Alberta, Manitoba, B.C facilities......maybe they will be downsized or dare i say phased out entirely?? Jane Marshall, executive vice-president of real estate for Loblaw Companies, said Loblaw chose to build the distribution centre in Regina for several reasons. "Loblaw Companies is Canada's largest food distributor. We have 50 million square feet of retail space across the county; 15 million of that retail space is located in Western Canada,'' she said. Loblaw is currently "revitalizing" its retail store line-up, including sprucing up its Real Canadian Superstore locations and converting many of its Extra Foods locations into discount No Frills stores, Marshall said. "This facility will serve those stores, primarily in Saskatchewan and Manitoba in the first phase. But, as we construct the balance of the facility (to) just under one million square feet, it will serve all of our stores in Western Canada.'' Being CP's largest customer, Loblaw also wanted to be close to the intermodal facility, which would help Loblaw "optimize our service levels to our stores" and "minimize our environmental impact," she said. Peter McMahon, executive vice-president of supply chain and information technology for Loblaw, agreed Regina was the "ideal location" for the distribution centre, especially after the announcement of CP's intermodal facility "It really helps us with our strategy in transport of taking more and more product off the road, (dealing) with the escalating price of fuel ... and dealing with the environment impact.'' Initially, the facility will hire 500 employees in its first year of operation. But McMahon said the distribution centre will "very quickly'' expand to one million square feet and distribute about three million cases of product per week. "It's a big deal. It's a lot of trucks. It's a lot of volume going out of the distribution centre.'' With an estimated 1,400 trucks per week using the facility, road and highways in the area will have to be upgraded to accommodate the additional traffic. ----------- be nice having a true "Ring Road" around the city here the next 10 years will be an exciting period for Regina... did i hear correctly that Federated a Co-op Distribution Center is relocating from Saskatoon???..maybe I am wrong , but In January 2008 FCL announced it will be spending $1.9 billion over the next 4 years to expand its refinery to be able to process 130,000 barrels of oil a day..................................................and now there is serious talk of a new domed stadium... very cool :) |
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Just the yards are relocating, not the CP mainline. the 1970's proposal would have seen both the CP and CN lines rerouted around the City. That |
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You're right. The pedestian overpasses would make for some great views of downtown. As for vehicles the only way to allow access would be to construct under passes like the ones on Broad, Winnipeg and Albert. Wonder if that could be done or not. |
http://www.leaderpost.com/business/H...209/story.html
High hopes for the Hub By Bruce Johnstone, Leader-Post October 4, 2009 http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465...09/2067210.bin Work is progressing on a 500,000-square-foot, $200-million distribution centre near Regina's western boundary. Photograph by: Don Healy, Leader-Post, Leader-Post The Global Transportation Hub (GTH) isn't some sort of 'field of dreams, build-it-and-they-will-come' fantasy, according to Wayne Elhard, chairman of the GTH. "This project has the potential to really transform the way we do transportation in this province,'' said the former Highways and Infrastructure minister, who was appointed to head the GTH in June. In fact, Elhard believes the GTH will be as important to Saskatchewan in the 21st century as the railroad was for the province in the 20th century. "I think this project could be of equal importance to the future of Saskatchewan's transportation as the coming of the railway was in the 1880s,'' the Cypress Hills MLA said in a recent interview with the Leader-Post. That's a tall order to be sure, but Elhard has his reasons for making this admittedly "grandiose" prediction for the GTH. The GTH, for the uninitiated, is the name of the massive transportation infrastructure project being developed in the city's west end, incorporating rail, truck and potentially air cargo facilities, along with large-scale distribution centres. CP Rail got the ball rolling last year when it officially announced its intention to relocate its existing intermodal facility (IMF) from downtown Regina to a location five kilometres west of the city. The intermodal facility transfers shipping containers from train to truck, increasing the efficiency of transporting goods across the continent. The $93-million IMF project became the impetus for Loblaw Companies Ltd. -- Canada's largest food distributor and CP Rail's biggest customer -- to announce the construction of a $200-million, 500,000 square-foot distribution centre near the CP intermodal facility in July 2008. The project, which would employ up to 750 people in two years, would be the first phase in a one-million-square-foot, $350-million distribution and warehouse facility that would employ up to 1,500 by 2017. With 1,400 trucks per week using the Loblaw facility, the roads and highways around the intermodal facility and distribution centre would have to be upgraded and expanded. The infrastructure project, which would include a new overpass at the Trans-Canada Highway and Lewvan Drive and a connector road from the Trans-Canada to Highway 11, will cost the province about $45 million. Those two projects and the related infrastructure would result in an investment of close to half a billion dollars. But that's just the beginning, Elhard says. As our transportation and distribution systems integrate and increase in speed and efficiency, the potential to move goods, not just east and west, but north and south, becomes much greater. "We can take goods from China and send them to the Gulf of Mexico in a fairly quick time line. That's where our opportunity is,'' Elhard says. In fact, Regina's GTH stands at the northern crossroads of this evolving continental transportation network. "Being a land-locked province was seen as a disadvantage for 150 years. Now it's a positive attribute.'' "That's why we think this Global Transportation Hub ... presents such great potential." John Law, deputy minister of Highways and Infrastructure, says the growth of Asia as both consumer and producer of goods for the North American market has given added impetus to the GTH. "There's a strong interest in trying to make improvements to the Asia-Pacific Gateway and Corridor, which accounts for a lot of the incoming traffic ... We're interested in how we can get access to move our stuff back the other way.'' That's why the province, the City of Regina and CP Rail were able to negotiate $27 million from the federal government in December 2007 as its share of the $93-million IMF. The IMF, in turn, attracted Loblaw, which was looking to expand its presence in the growing Western Canadian market, as well as taking some of its products "off of the road'' and reducing its fuel costs and environmental footprint. "When they looked at us strategically, (Loblaw) recognized that our location was preferable to other locations in terms of where we are in North America,'' Law said. Of course, when private sector companies are prepared to invest multi-millions of dollars in logistics infrastructure in Saskatchewan, the province needed to step up to the plate. "Whereas we had some plans that were probably 15 years out, in terms of the infrastructure investments ... Loblaw was ready to go in about 18 months. They were talking about 1,500 new jobs, a couple of hundred million in new investment ... We recognized we needed to be in a position to respond," Law said.. "We went from the original estimate of $28 million to $168 million in new transportation infrastructure.'' Mayor Pat Fiacco said getting the GTH project off the ground required co-operation and participation from all three levels of government, as well as the private sector. "A project of this magnitude, there's no way that a municipal government could advance this on their own. There's no way a provincial government could do it on their own. This was true collaboration." Fiacco said CP Rail, which had outgrown its existing container yards on Dewdney Avenue, was receptive to incorporating the relocation of the IMF with the Asia-Pacific Gateway concept. Larry Hiles, president and CEO of the Regina Regional Opportunities Commission (RROC), agreed the collaboration of all three levels of government was critical in getting the private sector partners on board for the GTH project. "It's not a formal P3, but it has a lot of the aspects of a public private partnership,'' Hiles said. "How everybody approached this challenge and opportunity really helped us move this project forward quickly.'' Hiles said Regina's central geographic location, the confluence of the CP mainline and Soo Lines, two major highways (Trans-Canada and Highway 11) and proximity to skilled labour in Regina and Moose Jaw were the key factors in siting the GTH near Regina. "The GTH is located in the Regina-Moose Jaw corridor, which has 25 per cent of the labour force of Saskatchewan, roughly 25 per cent of the GDP of the province, tremendous access to all the utilities,'' Hiles said. "There's all kinds of reasons to put more than just a railway facility there. There's all kinds of reasons why other industries would want to be there." Hiles said Regina has most, if not all, of the things companies look for to site or relocate their business operations, including transportation infrastructure, cost of labour and cost of doing business. "We rank very high in all those things.'' In fact, Hiles said the GTH will attract complementary businesses -- transportation service and supply companies, trucking firms, warehouses and distribution centres, manufacturing plants and assembly operations. "We've always wanted to build the case that the companies would want to be here because it's the best choice they could make, not because there was some kind of incentive,'' Hiles added. "That's what we wanted and I think we're well on the way to having that happen.'' In fact, Hiles believes the GTH could attract more than $1 billion-investment in the area in the next five or six years. In the longer term, the sky's the limit. "What started out as a relatively good idea is maturing into a big idea and it's moving really quick,'' Elhard said. "It's like a runaway freight train.'' © Copyright (c) The Regina Leader-Post |
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Yoda, you are?;) |
I am still trying to figure out what "envoy of the west" means??
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Also another tip if you are going to quote a HUGE article, like the GTH post you quoted, edit the contents of the quote so we don't have to scroll through the article again and again. :whip: Newb. |
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In the past I suggested you clean up your posts to make them more understandable. I have never, nor will I ever edit your posts to correct careless spelling and grammar mistakes. If you want to be misunderstood it's your choice, not mine. |
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Can anyone say for sure if rail lines and traffic will definitely be removed from the city? I've heard different people both say two different things: one: that this GTH will eliminate trains from the city as they will skirt along the outside instead two: that rail relocation is multi-billion dollar project that would take decades Regarding the downtown rail yards I've also heard two stories: one: everything is being removed soon to make way for stadium two: proper environmental removal of the grounds will cost too much and take too long, and is not in anyone's scope So it's unclear to me, what will be net change to the average citizen who encounters train crossings in the city? Will the rail yards downtown be completely removed or will they stay? |
Can someone explain the basics of how this GTH will work, what the real world advantage will be, etc. I'm not questioning the benefit, I'm trying to figure out what exactly it is.
I get the sense it's a big yard and warehouse where plane, train, and trucks will meet up and exchange packages. Which I guess is nice, but what is the enhancement over the current situation? Size? Proximity? Property taxes? Can they operate 24x7 out of town, but not in the city? The spokesperson describes being able to transfer goods from China to Gulf of Mexico. OK, but wouldn't it be more economic and sensible just to have the goods go from China and land directly on the western shore of Mexico? How does it help to have the goods travel from China to BC, BC to Saskachewan, Saskatchewan to USA, USA to Mexico. All those extra legs seem like extra cost and time and risk. Also I was wondering about Loblaws advantage of 'getting goods off the road'. What do they mean by that and how does the GTH factor into it? |
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